OnLive, I'm a believer

i got the free 1-year trial as so many others have and I'm qutie impressed with it. Now I'm on a 12 MBps connection so it looks great and I do think this will be the future for better or worse along with other gaming on demand services. But two major things need to happen.

1) They need to fix the pricing scheme. $14.95 a month plus $60 for a game is way too much. Yes, you don't have to buy a $400 console but you don't own any of this stuff. You are basically leasing it. And nobody wants to pay that much for leasing. Even the $60 game you buy is only available to you for 2 years. The also offer it for rent, which is a little bit more reasonable.

2) The world needs to improve their data connections. I have a 12 MBps connection which is sufficient but most people do not. This will take a few years to get to in America alone, nationwide.

If succesful, I think Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will evolve their infrastructure to adapt these new models. I think OnLive will eventually include streaming movies and music along with their games in time. Just my opinion.

The world in general doesnt have a good enough internet structure. Plus I dont like paying money to rent games I bought.

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

balfe1990

It takes everything away from the consumer. You never own the game, monthly fees to play, and forces 24/7 online connection to play games.

With how ISP act today (in the US), you can also get bandwidth limited because you have been playing onlive to much. They do it already on people who watch hulu, youtube, and other streaming websites. Nothing better then having a 8 mb connection and after plying onlive for 6-7 hrs, you get bandwidth limited down to a 2mb connection.

1) They need to fix the pricing scheme. $14.95 a month plus $60 for a game is way too much. Yes, you don't have to buy a $400 console but you don't own any of this stuff. You are basically leasing it. And nobody wants to pay that much for leasing. Even the $60 game you buy is only available to you for 2 years. The also offer it for rent, which is a little bit more reasonable.

DumbDubya

and this is why Onlive Fails

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

designer-

Well I'll keep it short...

No competition from rival companies ( e.g. MS and Sony trying to outdo each other w/ exclusives etc. )

Less effort put into games as platform is universal ( maybe, just a guess )

Consoles will be killed off and OnLive will become the monopoly...will charge ludicrous prices for online play and for " buying " games..

PC gaming will become a mere shadow of its former self...

Less graphically appealing games due to streaming massive amounts of info over web ( most peoples connections aren't fast enough yet )

I don't know about you lot, but I like having physical consoles and media instead of it being digital and me not actually owning it...

I like having some form of allegiance to a particular console and its games and features...

Digital distribution will be one step closer to killing off DVDs, Blu Ray etc.

Just a minor thought but no consoles would mean NO System Wars, which would have a terrible impact upon certain people...:P

I really could go on all day but thats all off the top of my head...I hope other people will add to this already swollen list..

Oh, and what positive things can it really bring to the table...The cons definitely outweigh the pros by a wide margin...

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

designer-

It takes everything away from the consumer. You never own the game, monthly fees to play, and forces 24/7 online connection to play games.

With how ISP act today (in the US), you can also get bandwidth limited because you have been playing onlive to much. They do it already on people who watch hulu, youtube, and other streaming websites. Nothing better then having a 8 mb connection and after plying onlive for 6-7 hrs, you get bandwidth limited down to a 2mb connection.

jedikevin2

Until your isp caps your data usage and you can no longer play games nor surf the internet

i got the free 1-year trial as so many others have and I'm qutie impressed with it. Now I'm on a 12 MBps connection so it looks great and I do think this will be the future for better or worse along with other gaming on demand services. But two major things need to happen.

1) They need to fix the pricing scheme. $14.95 a month plus $60 for a game is way too much. Yes, you don't have to buy a $400 console but you don't own any of this stuff. You are basically leasing it. And nobody wants to pay that much for leasing. Even the $60 game you buy is only available to you for 2 years. The also offer it for rent, which is a little bit more reasonable.

2) The world needs to improve their data connections. I have a 12 MBps connection which is sufficient but most people do not. This will take a few years to get to in America alone, nationwide.

If succesful, I think Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will evolve their infrastructure to adapt these new models. I think OnLive will eventually include streaming movies and music along with their games in time. Just my opinion.

DumbDubya

Well I'll keep it short...

No competition from rival companies ( e.g. MS and Sony trying to outdo each other w/ exclusives etc. )

Less effort put into games as platform is universal ( maybe, just a guess )

Consoles will be killed off and OnLive will become the monopoly...will charge ludicrous prices for online play and for " buying " games..

PC gaming will become a mere shadow of its former self...

Less graphically appealing games due to streaming massive amounts of info over web ( most peoples connections aren't fast enough yet )

I don't know about you lot, but I like having physical consoles and media instead of it being digital and me not actually owning it...

I like having some form of allegiance to a particular console and its games and features...

Digital distribution will be one step closer to killing off DVDs, Blu Ray etc.

Just a minor thought but no consoles would mean NO System Wars, which would have a terrible impact upon certain people...:P

I really could go on all day but thats all off the top of my head...I hope other people will add to this already swollen list..

Oh, and what positive things can it really bring to the table...The cons definitely outweigh the pros by a wide margin...

balfe1990

1.Competition will come. This will not be a monopoly and already has a competitor in Europe I believe.

2. A guess is a guess

3. No one is dying off, consoles will more than likely integrate this rather than die off. Sony patented the term PS Cloud a year back or so I believe, so odds are right now they are playing the waiting game.

4. Onlive looks worse and runs worse than a great rig (at least at this point), meaning that if you want that extra punch, you can still have it.

5. The most peoples connection thing is irrelevant, its the same things as saying most people cant play Crysis in highest settings. Not to count that in the areas it exists that speed of a connection is quite viable. There are enough people out there with a good enough connection to have a great market for this.

6. I dont particularly care for physically having something, if my actual enjoyment of it is the same. I own DA since I have it on steam. I would feel the same way if I had it in my hands. Given how popular steam has become I am sure I am not alone in this.

7. You like being a fanboy so props to you, I cant really comment on your allegiances to a piece of plastic

8. System Wars will always live in, do not worry. By the time this future comes to be, you will not be posting on here anymore (probably)

It takes everything away from the consumer. You never own the game, monthly fees to play, and forces 24/7 online connection to play games.

With how ISP act today (in the US), you can also get bandwidth limited because you have been playing onlive to much. They do it already on people who watch hulu, youtube, and other streaming websites. Nothing better then having a 8 mb connection and after plying onlive for 6-7 hrs, you get bandwidth limited down to a 2mb connection.

jedikevin2

People just need to find better ISPs.... The big names out there are just a total ripoff when it comes to bandwidth and total pricks about it.... That's why I went with TekSavvy, 200gb a month up/dl 5mb/s down and 1mb up for just $30 .. Only issue with this is that Your phone line company might throttle your speed sometimes.... Even then it's a great ISP.

I was in the beta and it worked fine. The problem is, I don't need it. My PC is powerful enough to handle pretty much anything I throw at it.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]Well I'll keep it short...

No competition from rival companies ( e.g. MS and Sony trying to outdo each other w/ exclusives etc. )

Less effort put into games as platform is universal ( maybe, just a guess )

Consoles will be killed off and OnLive will become the monopoly...will charge ludicrous prices for online play and for " buying " games..

PC gaming will become a mere shadow of its former self...

Less graphically appealing games due to streaming massive amounts of info over web ( most peoples connections aren't fast enough yet )

I don't know about you lot, but I like having physical consoles and media instead of it being digital and me not actually owning it...

I like having some form of allegiance to a particular console and its games and features...

Digital distribution will be one step closer to killing off DVDs, Blu Ray etc.

Just a minor thought but no consoles would mean NO System Wars, which would have a terrible impact upon certain people...:P

I really could go on all day but thats all off the top of my head...I hope other people will add to this already swollen list..

Oh, and what positive things can it really bring to the table...The cons definitely outweigh the pros by a wide margin...

designer-

1.Competition will come. This will not be a monopoly and already has a competitor in Europe I believe.

2. A guess is a guess

3. No one is dying off, consoles will more than likely integrate this rather than die off. Sony patented the term PS Cloud a year back or so I believe, so odds are right now they are playing the waiting game.

4. Onlive looks worse and runs worse than a great rig (at least at this point), meaning that if you want that extra punch, you can still have it.

5. The most peoples connection thing is irrelevant, its the same things as saying most people cant play Crysis in highest settings. Not to count that in the areas it exists that speed of a connection is quite viable. There are enough people out there with a good enough connection to have a great market for this.

6. I dont particularly care for physically having something, if my actual enjoyment of it is the same. I own DA since I have it on steam. I would feel the same way if I had it in my hands. Given how popular steam has become I am sure I am not alone in this.

7. You like being a fanboy so props to you, I cant really comment on your allegiances to a piece of plastic

8. System Wars will always live in, do not worry. By the time this future comes to be, you will not be posting on here anymore (probably)

I notice you made no response to the blatant fact that consumers rights are being exploited through the leasing of the games you pay top dollar for...Actually you were right to ignore that, its impossible to defend..

Your right in saying that digital distribution is paving the way we interact with media, but that certainly doesn't make it a good thing...A lot of people lament the record when it was made obsolete by the cassette tape..

And that fanboy comment was just a cheap shot..seeing as I only own the one console, I suppose I technically am one but you don't see me trying to smear other platforms or trying to play up the 360s games/graphics/exclusives/online etc etc and etc...

What are the positive aspects services like OnLive will bring..I'm not actually challenging you, I'm just curious to hear because I definitely haven't a clue..

i don't think it will ever take off that much, seeing as you need internet to play, i think a lot of people might not be sold on it, or the monthly fee's to play your games... I think DD will take off much sooner and consoles will be cheaper.

The world in general doesnt have a good enough internet structure. Plus I dont like paying money to rent games I bought.

clyde46

Exactly. You pay 14.95 to access the game you've purchased. That's ridiculous.

I notice you made no response to the blatant fact that consumers rights are being exploited through the leasing of the games you pay top dollar for...Actually you were right to ignore that, its impossible to defend..

Your right in saying that digital distribution is paving the way we interact with media, but that certainly doesn't make it a good thing...A lot of people lament the record when it was made obsolete by the cassette tape..

And that fanboy comment was just a cheap shot..seeing as I only own the one console, I suppose I technically am one but you don't see me trying to smear other platforms or trying to play up the 360s games/graphics/exclusives/online etc etc and etc...

What are the positive aspects services like OnLive will bring..I'm not actually challenging you, I'm just curious to hear because I definitely haven't a clue..

balfe1990

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In terms of positives then I see many. Renting games is great, any computer (with a decent connection) is also great. The most sold Laptops these days are in the $600 range. These laptops are barely playing Sims at a decent clip, let alone Just Cause 2, Batman or any other such titles. Here on SW we have a conglomeration of high end PC's which means that this service is automatically useless to them. But to the thousands upon thousands out there that do not have more developed machines this service is a perfect way to enjoy a game. Onlive has a decent unified structure for friends (I can see some of the bragging clips to be fun to go through), the ability to load up any demo right then and there is also great. In terms of really minute things we have pros like no/minimal hard drive footprint and easy integration for the tv.

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The fanboy comment was not meant as an jab, sorry if it came off like that, it can be hard to differentiate a joke on SW simply due to the nature of the place.

i got the free 1-year trial as so many others have and I'm qutie impressed with it. Now I'm on a 12 MBps connection so it looks great and I do think this will be the future for better or worse along with other gaming on demand services. But two major things need to happen.

1) They need to fix the pricing scheme. $14.95 a month plus $60 for a game is way too much. Yes, you don't have to buy a $400 console but you don't own any of this stuff. You are basically leasing it. And nobody wants to pay that much for leasing. Even the $60 game you buy is only available to you for 2 years. The also offer it for rent, which is a little bit more reasonable.

2) The world needs to improve their data connections. I have a 12 MBps connection which is sufficient but most people do not. This will take a few years to get to in America alone, nationwide.

If succesful, I think Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will evolve their infrastructure to adapt these new models. I think OnLive will eventually include streaming movies and music along with their games in time. Just my opinion.

DumbDubya

I think its only north american that sucks with bandwidth, but I get 30mb/s. but its selling point, is being able to play on anything. but I think the avg cap is like 20gbs for north american right?

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

The world in general doesnt have a good enough internet structure. Plus I dont like paying money to rent games I bought.

Pug-Nasty

Exactly. You pay 14.95 to access the game you've purchased. That's ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

The world in general doesnt have a good enough internet structure. Plus I dont like paying money to rent games I bought.

oldkingallant

Exactly. You pay 14.95 to access the game you've purchased. That's ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

The world in general doesnt have a good enough internet structure. Plus I dont like paying money to rent games I bought.

oldkingallant

Exactly. You pay 14.95 to access the game you've purchased. That's ridiculous.

Isn't that 14.95 a monthly charge? Which comes out to $897 for 5 years, which is a low estimate on time between consoles. Additionally, all it does is play games, nothing else. My ps3 is an entertainment center, and cost a lot less than that $897.

Also, whether or not your games will be accessible depends entirely on the OnLive model succeeding, which is a huge gamble in and of itself.

I was in the beta and it worked fine. The problem is, I don't need it. My PC is powerful enough to handle pretty much anything I throw at it.

heretrix

In terms of positives then I see many. Renting games is great, any computer (with a decent connection) is also great. The most sold Laptops these days are in the $600 range. These laptops are barely playing Sims at a decent clip, let alone Just Cause 2, Batman or any other such titles. Here on SW we have a conglomeration of high end PC's which means that this service is automatically useless to them. But to the thousands upon thousands out there that do not have more developed machines this service is a perfect way to enjoy a game. Onlive has a decent unified structure for friends (I can see some of the bragging clips to be fun to go through), the ability to load up any demo right then and there is also great. In terms of really minute things we have pros like no/minimal hard drive footprint and easy integration for the tv.

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The fanboy comment was not meant as an jab, sorry if it came off like that, it can be hard to differentiate a joke on SW simply due to the nature of the place.

designer-

Here is a laptop for 690 USD that can play most games at max settings.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220715

and here another ok laptop for 750 USD which is weaker in gpu but stronger in cpu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115733

Here is a laptop for 690 USD that can play most games at max settings.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220715

and here another ok laptop for 750 USD which is weaker in gpu but stronger in cpu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115733

Hakkai007

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Here is a laptop for 690 USD that can play most games at max settings.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220715

and here another ok laptop for 750 USD which is weaker in gpu but stronger in cpu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115733

designer-

The games are more expensive on onlive. and the subscription fee will be as expensive as a gaming computer after 3-4 years.

The quality is not as good and it requires an expensive internet speed and your ISP may throttle your speed or charge you more for your internet because of your heavy bandwidth usage.

If the sub fee was only 5 USD a month at all times and it was only for renting games then it may be beneficial for those who don't game much at all, but buying a game onlive and having to pay 15 USD a month for the sub fee is a rip off.

I enjoy the renting aspect of OnLive, play passes for 3 or 5 days is good. However some games like the new PoP or AC2 don't offer renting.

I enjoy the renting aspect of OnLive, play passes for 3 or 5 days is good. However some games like the new PoP or AC2 don't offer renting.

EvanTheGamer

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

I enjoy the renting aspect of OnLive, play passes for 3 or 5 days is good. However some games like the new PoP or AC2 don't offer renting.

ianuilliam

True, however for now it is free for a year : )

What I like about Onlive is the fact that I don't have to wait for anything.

I just pick the game, press play and instantly enjoy my games.

No installs, no download, no waiting.

That's what so amazing to me.

If you have a fast net connection, it's a decent way to rent games online. That's about the only positive thing I have to say about it. It's cool tech, and I'm surprised cloud compute gaming actually works on some level.

Negatives:

-You don't own the games you buy. They can pull them, your net can go down, you might not want to continue paying the monthly fee, or the service can fail.

-You need a fast net connection. I have a 5mb connection and it's barely fast enough to play. I still get lag and artifacting.

-If your ISP has usage limits, you're screwed.

-With the service fees and game price, you might as well buy a gpu and purchase games through Steam/D2D, or purchase a console. It would be cheaper and better in the long run.

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

balfe1990

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

Kokuro_Kun

There is probably something I do not understand, I'd much rather have everything game installed on my HDD and not having to bother switching DVDs.

Not to mention that physical media can be damaged, meaning you lose your game pretty much forever if that happen.

I see literally no advantage to have a physical disk, unless you plan to re-sell it after using it.

[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"][QUOTE="balfe1990"]

I hate the fact that I'm certain this OnLive will succeed immensely after a bit of trial and error and will be detrimental to traditional consoles and gaming everywhere...

I'm gonna pray night and day for this thing to crash and burn even though I know I'd need a miracle to make that happen...:(

Sliverwarrior

There is probably something I do not understand, I'd much rather have everything game installed on my HDD and not having to bother switching DVDs.

Not to mention that physical media can be damaged, meaning you lose your game pretty much forever if that happen.

I see literally no advantage to have a physical disk, unless you plan to re-sell it after using it.

Lol:

Physical > Digital.

if the pricing becomes reasonable will there be onlive fanboys?

Lol:

Physical > Digital.

Modern_Unit

Can you explain why to me?

I'd appreciate that.

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

Lol:

Physical > Digital.

Sliverwarrior

Can you explain why to me?

I'd appreciate that.

With physical media you get resale value, collector value, tradability, etc. Physical media will always be 100% superior to DD only. DD is acceptable there is a choice for physical copies, also the price of DD is still the same as retail.

[QUOTE="Sliverwarrior"]

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

Lol:

Physical > Digital.

EvanTheGamer

Can you explain why to me?

I'd appreciate that.

With physical media you get resale value, collector value, tradability, etc. Physical media will always be 100% superior to DD only. DD is acceptable there is a choice for physical copies, also the price of DD is still the same as retail.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

I enjoy the renting aspect of OnLive, play passes for 3 or 5 days is good. However some games like the new PoP or AC2 don't offer renting.

EvanTheGamer

True, however for now it is free for a year : )

if the pricing becomes reasonable will there be onlive fanboys?

porkysownu

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]But $15 a month + $5-7 per 5 day rental is WAY more than $10/month with unlimited rentals from somewhere like Gamefly. So far, almost all of the 15 or so games offered are multiplats, so you could rent all those same games, plus hundreds more for way less with a console, without having to worry about needing a 12+ meg internet service just to make the games run as smoothly as the console counterpart. So even as a rental service, it is a horrible option.

ianuilliam

True, however for now it is free for a year : )

Besides, they plan on releasing a free version without a subscription fee that offers rentals. Why do people ignore this and only talk about the subscription service?

"The OnLive Game Portal is for gamers looking for direct access to OnLive games without being required to subscribe to the features of the full OnLive Game Service. Through the OnLive Game Portal, gamers will be able to play select games directly on a rental basis as well as game demos for free; subject to available OnLive service capacity and whatever usage limits are associated with each given demo. Rentals will be priced on a per-game basis. There is no service fee for the OnLive Game Portal."

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

I enjoy the renting aspect of OnLive, play passes for 3 or 5 days is good. However some games like the new PoP or AC2 don't offer renting.

EvanTheGamer

True, however for now it is free for a year : )

$60 for a game i won't own anymore after 2 years. what a fail.