OnLive Now (Possibly) Valued at $1.8 Billion (Expert Analysis)

  • 94 results
  • 1
  • 2

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#1 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

Remember two days back when HTC invested $40 million in OnLive? Well, since then analysts have been trying to figure out what the overall value of the company might be. The results might surprise you.

According to Justin Byers at VCExpertsan expert at examining private company filings OnLive authorized the issuance of 8 million shares of Series E preferred stock at $7.50 a share (that price is the same as what HTC said it paid). The total authorized shares are now 358.4 million, while the total number of common shares authorized are 240 million. If all of the authorized common shares were issued, then the value comes out to $1. 8 billion."We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high." - SourceSource

For comparison, EA was valued at 5.24B in October 2010.

That means OnLive is already valued at one-third the price of one of the largest software publishers in the world.

Tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?

Source:

http://venturebeat.com/2011/02/09/is-cloud-gaming-service-onlive-really-worth-1-8b-poll/

Avatar image for tehsystemwarior
tehsystemwarior

1812

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#2 tehsystemwarior
Member since 2009 • 1812 Posts
Because they probaly have 1 billion dollars in sub-par gaming computers. And bandwith crap.
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#3 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts
Because they probaly have 1 billion dollars in sub-par gaming computers. And bandwith crap.tehsystemwarior
They don't buy the servers. They lease them. That would be insane if they had to purchase all the hardware themselves.
Avatar image for deactivated-63f6895020e66
deactivated-63f6895020e66

21177

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4 deactivated-63f6895020e66
Member since 2004 • 21177 Posts

That, at this point, means very little.

It only means it somebody invested heavily on it, nothing more.

If said investment pays off, that's something we can't know.

Besides...

"We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high."

Avatar image for Animal-Mother
Animal-Mother

27362

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

#5 Animal-Mother
Member since 2003 • 27362 Posts

Did you even read your own link

Onlive isn't value at 1.8 Billion

Here let me spell it out for you

If all of the authorized common shares were issued, then the value comes out to $1. 8 billion."We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high.

or were we too concerned with stamping out the competetion to read that?

their saying onlive COULD cost up to 1.8 billion in which is actually doesn't now.

Misleading thread title.

Avatar image for psn8214
psn8214

14930

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#6 psn8214
Member since 2009 • 14930 Posts

... and yet, still, no one cares. :P I'm happy you've found your calling though Riku.

Avatar image for glez13
glez13

10314

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#7 glez13
Member since 2006 • 10314 Posts

OMG, Rikusaki is back...

Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#8 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts

... and yet, still, no one cares. :P I'm happy you've found your calling though Riku.

psn8214
Indeed. o.q Excuse me while I turn off my internet and play my games on max.
Avatar image for rpgs_shall_rule
rpgs_shall_rule

1943

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#9 rpgs_shall_rule
Member since 2006 • 1943 Posts
Zynga>EA Does that mean they're good for the gaming industry?
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#10 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

Did you even read your own link

Onlive isn't value at 1.8 Billion

Here let me spell it out for you

If all of the authorized common shares were issued, then the value comes out to $1. 8 billion."We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high.

or were we too concerned with stamping out the competetion to read that?

Animal-Mother

Yes, I read that.

Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#11 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts
[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]Zynga>EA Does that mean they're good for the gaming industry?

No, it means they didn't fail. ;)
Avatar image for Animal-Mother
Animal-Mother

27362

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

#12 Animal-Mother
Member since 2003 • 27362 Posts

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Did you even read your own link

Onlive isn't value at 1.8 Billion

Here let me spell it out for you

If all of the authorized common shares were issued, then the value comes out to $1. 8 billion."We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high.

or were we too concerned with stamping out the competetion to read that?

Rikusaki

Yes, I read that.

So then why are you lying to us and telling us it IS valued 1.8 billion, because it's not?

Avatar image for JAB991
JAB991

6077

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 0

#13 JAB991
Member since 2007 • 6077 Posts
People are still talking about OnLive?! No one's even heard of this company outside of the video game-adoring web community.
Avatar image for deadesa
deadesa

1706

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#14 deadesa
Member since 2005 • 1706 Posts
Is there numbers for the amount of games purchased via OnLive? Investment means very little, it's all about profit. I will hold off on my assessment of the company until then.
Avatar image for mD-
mD-

4314

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#15 mD-
Member since 2005 • 4314 Posts

Misleading title name used to draw people in this thread, and it's working. Onlive isn't for me because I don't that fiber optics connectivity.

Avatar image for rpgs_shall_rule
rpgs_shall_rule

1943

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#16 rpgs_shall_rule
Member since 2006 • 1943 Posts

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]Because they probaly have 1 billion dollars in sub-par gaming computers. And bandwith crap.Rikusaki
They don't buy the servers. They lease them. That would be insane if they had to purchase all the hardware themselves.

What difference does it make? It'll still be a billion (or however much) in computer parts. The only thing leasing does is allow them to keep up (to a certain extent) with technology. It's still gonna be pretty expensive.

Avatar image for The_RedLion
The_RedLion

1942

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#17 The_RedLion
Member since 2009 • 1942 Posts
Misleading titles FTW :)
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#18 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Did you even read your own link

Onlive isn't value at 1.8 Billion

Here let me spell it out for you

If all of the authorized common shares were issued, then the value comes out to $1. 8 billion."We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high.

or were we too concerned with stamping out the competetion to read that?

Animal-Mother

Yes, I read that.

So then why are you lying to us and telling us it IS valued 1.8 billion, because it's not?

It's the same thing. They have 240 million share valued at $7.50 each.

Avatar image for The_RedLion
The_RedLion

1942

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#19 The_RedLion
Member since 2009 • 1942 Posts
It's the same thing. They have 240 million share valued at $7.50 each.Rikusaki
It's not even remotely close to be the same thing. That's not how stocks work.
Avatar image for NaveedLife
NaveedLife

17179

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#20 NaveedLife
Member since 2010 • 17179 Posts

OnLive is garbage....have a nice day :) lol.

Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#21 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

If this thread is a misleading title, then all of these are as well...

http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/08/04/report-onlive-valued-at-1-1-billion/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/05/report-onlive-valued-at-over-a-billion-dollars/

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2010/08/05/onlive-valued-at-over-1-billion/

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/cloud-gaming-service-onlive-valued-at-1-1bn-707872

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-08-05-onlive-valued-at-USD1-1bn

http://mmomfg.com/2010/08/05/onlive-valued-at-what-0805/

Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#22 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts
They said 1.1, you said 1.8, thats .7 billion difference, or $700 million dollars.
Avatar image for Jynxzor
Jynxzor

9313

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#23 Jynxzor
Member since 2003 • 9313 Posts
It's the same thing. They have 240 million share valued at $7.50 each.Rikusaki
If only that was how stocks worked.
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#24 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts
[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]It's the same thing. They have 240 million share valued at $7.50 each.The_RedLion
It's not even remotely close to be the same thing. That's not how stocks work.

It's an estimate by one expert. Other sources say things like: "A new Delaware filing says that OnLive shares are valued at $7.50 each, with venture capital experts estimating that the entire company is now worth anything between $1.1 billion to $2.2 billion."
Avatar image for The_RedLion
The_RedLion

1942

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#25 The_RedLion
Member since 2009 • 1942 Posts
[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

If this thread is a misleading title, then all of these are as well...

http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/08/04/report-onlive-valued-at-1-1-billion/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/05/report-onlive-valued-at-over-a-billion-dollars/

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2010/08/05/onlive-valued-at-over-1-billion/

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/cloud-gaming-service-onlive-valued-at-1-1bn-707872

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-08-05-onlive-valued-at-USD1-1bn

http://mmomfg.com/2010/08/05/onlive-valued-at-what-0805/

1) they say 1.1 Billion 2) Yes, they are misleading
Avatar image for The_RedLion
The_RedLion

1942

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#26 The_RedLion
Member since 2009 • 1942 Posts
[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]It's the same thing. They have 240 million share valued at $7.50 each.Rikusaki
It's not even remotely close to be the same thing. That's not how stocks work.

It's an estimate by one expert. Other sources say things like: "A new Delaware filing says that OnLive shares are valued at $7.50 each, with venture capital experts estimating that the entire company is now worth anything between $1.1 billion to $2.2 billion."

Estimate =/= true value
Avatar image for Fizzman
Fizzman

9895

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#27 Fizzman
Member since 2003 • 9895 Posts

Is that including the valuation of all the hardware they have to own? EA just makes software.

Onlive is still a garbage service.

Avatar image for rpgs_shall_rule
rpgs_shall_rule

1943

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#28 rpgs_shall_rule
Member since 2006 • 1943 Posts
Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.
Avatar image for shinrabanshou
shinrabanshou

8458

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#29 shinrabanshou
Member since 2009 • 8458 Posts

It's the same thing. They have 240 million share valued at $7.50 each.

Rikusaki

When did OnLive issue an IPO?

Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#30 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts
Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.rpgs_shall_rule
I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?
Avatar image for The_RedLion
The_RedLion

1942

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#31 The_RedLion
Member since 2009 • 1942 Posts

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.Rikusaki
I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?

Basically every failed product in gaming was loved by people in power at some point. It means nothing.

Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#32 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.The_RedLion

I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?

Basically every failed product in gaming was loved by people in power at some point. It means nothing.

At some point? HTC just invested 40 million two days ago. :|
Avatar image for The_RedLion
The_RedLion

1942

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33 The_RedLion
Member since 2009 • 1942 Posts
[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?Rikusaki

Basically every failed product in gaming was loved by people in power at some point. It means nothing.

At some point? HTC just invested 40 million two days ago. :|

That's some point, isn't it?
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#34 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

This article has more evidence to suggest that $1.8 Billion is correct. Good read.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/02/09/is-cloud-gaming-service-onlive-really-worth-1-8b-poll/

Avatar image for rpgs_shall_rule
rpgs_shall_rule

1943

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#35 rpgs_shall_rule
Member since 2006 • 1943 Posts

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.Rikusaki
I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?

My bad, didn't see.

Avatar image for ChubbyGuy40
ChubbyGuy40

26442

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#36 ChubbyGuy40
Member since 2007 • 26442 Posts

Patcher is an analyist too. We all know how terribly wrong that guy is.

"We are not saying that is the valuation," Byers said. "We are saying it could be that high."

Another failure OnLive marketing thread is a failure. Could be =/= actually is. Can't wait for the day OnLive crashes and burns. Its a terrible service.

Avatar image for Too_tight_shoes
Too_tight_shoes

2486

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#37 Too_tight_shoes
Member since 2009 • 2486 Posts
I downloaded it a while ago to see what all the fuss was about, and I have to hand it to them its impressive but the performance and resolution is far from impressive. Most people have PC's so instead of spending $100 on onlive get a HD 5670.
Avatar image for fueled-system
fueled-system

6529

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#38 fueled-system
Member since 2008 • 6529 Posts

If it was not for you I would of forgotten onlive existed.

Avatar image for deadesa
deadesa

1706

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#39 deadesa
Member since 2005 • 1706 Posts

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.Rikusaki
I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?

Again how much money has OnLive actually made? Investments mean nothing if their is no return. I'm sure the account numbers for OnLive are HUGE because creating an account is free, hell even I signed up to give it a go, but if those folks don't buy anything whats the point. It's all speculation till then, no doubt aided by the avalanche of new subscriptions.

Don't get me wrong though, this more than likely is the future. With most ISP pushing meek Mbps numbers, and even more with data caps, I just don't see it being anything substantial until America really fixes up it's info-structure however. On a side note, Rikusaki my friend, I hope they are paying you well for your cult like patronage because you really are working your butt off. For better or for worse :wink:

Avatar image for Too_tight_shoes
Too_tight_shoes

2486

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#40 Too_tight_shoes
Member since 2009 • 2486 Posts
I downloaded it a while ago to see what all the fuss was about, and I have to hand it to them its impressive but the performance and resolution is far from impressive. Most people have PC's so instead of spending $100 on onlive get a HD 5670.
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#41 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]Again Zynga is valued more than both EA and OnLive, and they practically popped up overnight.deadesa

I already responded to this post.... Good for them. They didn't fail. Now tell me how OnLive is going to fail when so many people in power love the idea?

Again how much money has OnLive actually made? Investments mean nothing if their is no return. I'm sure the account numbers for OnLive are HUGE because creating an account is free, hell even I signed up to give it a go, but if those folks don't buy anything whats the point. It's all speculation till then, no doubt aided by the avalanche of new subscriptions.

Don't get me wrong though, this more than likely is the future. With most ISP pushing meek Mbps numbers, and even more with data caps, I just don't see it being anything substantial until America really fixes up it's info-structure. On a side note, Rikusaki my friend, I hope they are paying you well for your cult like patronage because you really are working your butt off. For better or for worse :wink:

I'd love to see those numbers.
Avatar image for soulitane
soulitane

15091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#42 soulitane
Member since 2010 • 15091 Posts
I don't see how this affects me.
Avatar image for Wasdie
Wasdie

53622

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 23

User Lists: 0

#43 Wasdie  Moderator
Member since 2003 • 53622 Posts

How much was Enron valued at?

Just being valued at a lot doesn't make you profitable.

Avatar image for ChubbyGuy40
ChubbyGuy40

26442

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#44 ChubbyGuy40
Member since 2007 • 26442 Posts

How much was Enron valued at?

Just being valued at a lot doesn't make you profitable.

Wasdie

I wanted to post that but couldn't remember the name of the company.

Avatar image for deadesa
deadesa

1706

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#45 deadesa
Member since 2005 • 1706 Posts

I'd love to see those numbers. Rikusaki
As would I, and if they are high, I will gladly eat my words and promptly put my foot directly in my mouth :lol:

Avatar image for glez13
glez13

10314

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#46 glez13
Member since 2006 • 10314 Posts

What's up with all those title changes.

Avatar image for deadesa
deadesa

1706

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#47 deadesa
Member since 2005 • 1706 Posts

What's up with all those title changes.

glez13
just noticed that too, stick to your guns man!
Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#49 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts

Patcher is an analyist too. We all know how terribly wrong that guy is.

ChubbyGuy40

Speaking of Pachter....

:P

Avatar image for Rikusaki
Rikusaki

16641

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#50 Rikusaki
Member since 2006 • 16641 Posts
[QUOTE="glez13"]

What's up with all those title changes.

deadesa
just noticed that too, stick to your guns man!

I'm sick and tired of people attacking me for such ridiculous things. That's why I changed it. Everyone eventually forgets what this thread is about. :? It's about how OnLive will fail when so many people in power love the idea? They are getting investments left and right. HTC invested 40 million just two days ago.