'Only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right'-Naughty Dog

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#51 CreepyBacon
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[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Interesting but who cares. It's 1st/2nd party dev BS.ermacness

This is true, they get paid by Sony to say how the PS3 is the best. Its all BS and especially considering Naughty Dog is a hardcore PS developers throughout the time. Shame on them for lying so much though.

so when naughty dog says that they used only like 30-40% of the ps3's potential, it's BS, but when epic says that they only used 305 on gears, it's fact? Ok, i see the picture now

/sarcasm

When the hell has Epic ever said that? :|Link?

Oh and OMG SONY PAYED DEM OMG Y DEY CHEAT DA MARKET OMG OMG DEY RUIN GAMING :cry: :cry: :cry:

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#52 Swift_Boss_A
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So does this confirm that Uncharted 2 will look much better then Uncharted in terms of graphics ? I assume ND do know what they are talking about since hey made one f the best looking if not the best looking console game this gen. I have high expectations for Uncharted 2

Actually TC its Cell

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#53 jg4xchamp
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So does this confirm that Uncharted 2 will look much better then Uncharted in terms of graphics ? I assume ND do know what they are talking about since hey made one f the best looking if not the best looking console game this gen. I have high expectations for Uncharted 2

Actually TC its Cell

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I think MGS 4 looks better to be honest.

with Resident Evil 5 and Killzone 2 coming in to take over that crown early next year.
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#54 6matt6
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Same thing was said year after year for the PS2.
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#55 CronoSquall
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I get so sick of articles like this, we were overexposed to this stuff last gen as is. Developers should all just shutup, and make games.
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#56 Dreams-Visions
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Interesting but who cares. It's 1st/2nd party dev BS.Tiefster
pretty much.

I hope Cows aren't still buying into this stupidness.

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#57 Fusible
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i know this has been said before along time ago when uncharted came out BUT in this recent interview he has said it again-between this time many have said that ps3 is done and is equal to the 360 meaning they are both near their limit..but again naughty dog says there is nearly 70% untapped power left :o

""That's why we think we're probablyonly using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right now, and there's this great, untapped potential. All third-party developers can get the Edge libraries for free and are going to be able to use them in their own ways, to get more and more and more out of the PS3 over the years.""

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That means in order for this statement not to back fire on them is to use their words wisely so that they don't get owned later when in fact they don't know exactly how much they're using. LOL... you have to look for weak links in statements and those are true biased statements.
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#58 bungie93
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Naughty Dog is owned by Sony.
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#59 young_doe
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yeah just like Gears of War only using 1 out of 3 cores. :roll:
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#60 AnnoyedDragon
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Do they seriously consider this hype? We are two years into this console gen; no one wants to hear they have to wait longer to get their investment back.

By the time they fully utilize this thing common hardware will be making fun of it.

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#61 kenshinhimura16
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And people will assume that its for graphics when its actually more proccessing stuff than anything else. The PS3 and 360 will soon reach their graphics limits, and then all that will remain is the difference in raw proccessing power, were all devs have agreed that the PS3 can do more things at once. But since its a pos to dev for, they havent been playing with that a lot.
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#62 Dante2710
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still trying to unlock the hidden powah sony promised uh?
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#63 EuroMafia
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So, 40% of a theoretical value.
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John Carmack says the theoretical power of PS3 is irrelevant when talking about real-life situations with deadlines and such.

John Carmack is law.

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[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Interesting but who cares. It's 1st/2nd party dev BS.ermacness

This is true, they get paid by Sony to say how the PS3 is the best. Its all BS and especially considering Naughty Dog is a hardcore PS developers throughout the time. Shame on them for lying so much though.

so when naughty dog says that they used only like 30-40% of the ps3's potential, it's BS, but when epic says that they only used 305 on gears, it's fact? Ok, i see the picture now

/sarcasm


I think Igor took what I said a little out of it's meaning. What I meant was that 1st and 2nd party devs almost always praise the console they're working on. It's not that I don't believe ND, it's just that you hear crap like this so much from so many devs that you dont know whats real and fake. That extra 70% might not be that significant.
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the console has a 10 year lifespan...?!?
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#67 facebooker
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Thats wierrd , Kojima said he used all the power of the cell.AtrumRegina

and yet mgs4 looks like garbage compared to the better looking 360 games.

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[QUOTE="AtrumRegina"]Thats wierrd , Kojima said he used all the power of the cell.facebooker

and yet mgs4 looks like garbage compared to the better looking 360 games.

In the eyes of a fanboy

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i know this has been said before along time ago when uncharted came out BUT in this recent interview he has said it again-between this time many have said that ps3 is done and is equal to the 360 meaning they are both near their limit..but again naughty dog says there is nearly 70% untapped power left :o

""That's why we think we're probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right now, and there's this great, untapped potential. All third-party developers can get the Edge libraries for free and are going to be able to use them in their own ways, to get more and more and more out of the PS3 over the years.""

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Angakua

Yup the ps3 and 360 are old and pretty sure the BORG meaning the PC has adpted and moving on to better games graphics.

console just can't compete might as well both sony and 360 give all their games tittles to pc sooner than later because in the end all their tittles will be in the pc (borg) libarairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8&feature=related

the pc already have better games than console

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#70 Teuf_
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John Carmack says the theoretical power of PS3 is irrelevant when talking about real-life situations with deadlines and such.

John Carmack is law.

death919


Carmack is talking from the perspective of a multiplatform developer. So what he says doesn't necessarily apply to a company like Naughty Dog.
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#71 ChiSoxBombers
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and that 30% is about 120% of the 360's power
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#72 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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Interesting but who cares. It's 1st/2nd party dev BS.Tiefster

While I would agree that it is common every single gen for developers to claim they only touch "30%" of a consoles power...it isn't "BS" as you claim. Naughty Dog is considered the top developer on the PS3 right now. It is the company Sony is sending out to teach other devs how to use the PS3 hardware properly and how to make their games run properly across the cell.

1st party or not, Naughty Dog is the current cell experts for developers and they are the go-to guys for anyone with PS3 development questions.

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#73 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Interesting but who cares. It's 1st/2nd party dev BS.ZIMdoom

While I would agree that it is common every single gen for developers to claim they only touch "30%" of a consoles power...it isn't "BS" as you claim. Naughty Dog is considered the top developer on the PS3 right now. It is the company Sony is sending out to teach other devs how to use the PS3 hardware properly and how to make their games run properly across the cell.

1st party or not, Naughty Dog is the current cell experts for developers and they are the go-to guys for anyone with PS3 development questions.

Just becuase thier the experts dosn't mean there not going to dribble a bit of s**t here and there.

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[QUOTE="Angakua"]

i know this has been said before along time ago when uncharted came out BUT in this recent interview he has said it again-between this time many have said that ps3 is done and is equal to the 360 meaning they are both near their limit..but again naughty dog says there is nearly 70% untapped power left :o

""That's why we think we're probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right now, and there's this great, untapped potential. All third-party developers can get the Edge libraries for free and are going to be able to use them in their own ways, to get more and more and more out of the PS3 over the years.""

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blackdreamhunk

Yup the ps3 and 360 are old and pretty sure the BORG meaning the PC has adpted and moving on to better games graphics.

console just can't compete might as well both sony and 360 give all their games tittles to pc sooner than later because in the end all their tittles will be in the pc (borg) libarairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8&feature=related

the pc already have better games than console

Sony has exclusives that have never been released on a PC or XBOX/360 from the PS2 era. So not all games end up on the PC.

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#75 Burnsmiesta
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So one argument goes: Kojima pushed the cell to its limit! There's no way this can be done on 360!

and the other: but ND said onyl 40% of the cell is used, theres much better to come!
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#76 blackdreamhunk
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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="Angakua"]

i know this has been said before along time ago when uncharted came out BUT in this recent interview he has said it again-between this time many have said that ps3 is done and is equal to the 360 meaning they are both near their limit..but again naughty dog says there is nearly 70% untapped power left :o

""That's why we think we're probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right now, and there's this great, untapped potential. All third-party developers can get the Edge libraries for free and are going to be able to use them in their own ways, to get more and more and more out of the PS3 over the years.""

source

jimm895

Yup the ps3 and 360 are old and pretty sure the BORG meaning the PC has adpted and moving on to better games graphics.

console just can't compete might as well both sony and 360 give all their games tittles to pc sooner than later because in the end all their tittles will be in the pc (borg) libarairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8&feature=related

the pc already have better games than console

Sony has exclusives that have never been released on a PC or XBOX/360 from the PS2 era. So not all games end up on the PC.

give time I bet you it will just like all the nintendo games good exmaple the 64!!
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#77 FantasySports02
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Can anyone answer me this?

If there's so much power, then why has Naughty Dog's only game been a linear 7 hour shooter with no online?

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Everybody get out NOOOOOOW!!!! Teh hidden powerz is gonna blow!!!
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i know this has been said before along time ago when uncharted came out BUT in this recent interview he has said it again-between this time many have said that ps3 is done and is equal to the 360 meaning they are both near their limit..but again naughty dog says there is nearly 70% untapped power left :o

""That's why we think we're probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right now, and there's this great, untapped potential. All third-party developers can get the Edge libraries for free and are going to be able to use them in their own ways, to get more and more and more out of the PS3 over the years.""

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Angakua
When a devloper is talking about console power it is like they are talking about how shiney they can make their shoes, U can't calculate a consoles power in percent or how much is left or that because u don't know, u can know in theory how much u think u can improve upon with optimzation, its like with gears one the gears team said they only used 40% of the 360's power, naughty dog says they used 30-40% well, i suspect there next game won't look or act much different then the first unless its a new IP on a new engine. Consoles don't and CAN'T imrpve by leaps and bounds after they are released without bran new hardware like a pc so games after the first year reach a bar like uncharted on the ps3 and gears on the 360 and only so much more can be improved upon, like optimzing the engine so less errors occur in the code and fix memory leaks and so on to get more data into the ram and optimze the graphics by taking out polygons and adding meshes.
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#80 jliebel
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Can anyone answer me this?

If there's so much power, then why has Naughty Dog's only game been a linear 7 hour shooter with no online?

FantasySports02

power of a machine != design of a game

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#81 falconzss
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obviously you should take this kind of statement with a grain of salt but looking back how the ps2 progressed it is quite possible IMO, or is anyone willing to argue that GoW and GoW2 are looking awesome with on such hardware?

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#82 speedsix
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Translation: we couldn't get the remaining SPEs doing anything useful.
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#83 gamecubepad
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Translation: we couldn't get the remaining SPEs doing anything useful.speedsix

Bingo! You get a prize.

It's ironic that there is this whole crazy misconception that graphics somehow are tied more to the CPU than the GPU. The RSX is maxed out already. Anything done beyond this point is dev tricks and good artistry. The Cell can be used for some cool looking physics or particle effects, but that's about it.

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#84 imprezawrx500
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probably used 100% of the rsx and 150% of the ram (streaming) but only 40% of the cell that doesn't mean 60% of the ps3 is left
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#85 IgorVitaly
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probably used 100% of the rsx and 150% of the ram (streaming) but only 40% of the cell that doesn't mean 60% of the ps3 is leftimprezawrx500

But a lot of PS3 devs are proefssionals in spinning things their way. AND many of them are aggressive trolls. Just look at nAo/Nostrodamo/Marko, previous HS dev (how he trolled other games that are non PS3).

Anyways this...

http://www.naughtydog.com/jak1/20Questions.htm

"Any developer who gives you a "percent of system used" answer is blowing smoke."Naugthy Dog 2002

"We're probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3."Naughty Dog 2008

ND contradicts themselfs.... ownage approved!