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#1 ghandi_2005
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Well yesterday I finished the greatest FPS ever made, and when I say that, I'm actually being sarcastic. Which you already know what PS3 exclusive I am talking about. Lets get started here. First off this game clocks in about 7 hours and 4 minutes,whichit doesn't really get interesting until the mid point. I won't give anyspoilers, but the game does lack something, and it's called depth. I have played the original, and yes this is a good follow up to the original story, butcomeon it's not epic. If you want epic story, then look at MGS 4, that is the best game this generation. Killzone 2 is stuck in between trying to be COD4, Halo, and Gears. The game really doesn't have it's own identity. With that said, I do believe it is the best PS3 shooter, but not the best console shooter. As far agraphicsgo it is pretty, but if you take a look a textures and character models "BLEH". Killzone 2 has great lighting, but under all that it looks like $%!^. If you don't believe I have played it, I will post pics up tomorrow, and prove it. I can even tell you everything about the game if you want. As an owner of all three next gen systems I 'm not gonna pick sides, because I play games to have fun. I'm a true gamer, and if you call your self a real gamer then there wouldn't be anything called system wars. I'm open to discussion.

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#2 Wolfang07
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I just hated the cliff hanger ending does any game this gen actually end?
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#3 ghandi_2005
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I thought it was a joke, I really like game informers review on it. I would have game the game at least an 8.5.
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#4 deactivated-61010a1ed19f4
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I agree with your view on Killzone 2, it does seem to be in an indentity crisis.

One game that is completely un original and over rated is Resistance fall of man.

I havnt played the second one so i cant comment on that.

But how the hell did it score anything over 7 ?

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#5 glenn2709
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Well too bad for you, as for me I enjoyed the game very much. My only complain is that the single player is too short.
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#6 shadow_hosi
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I agree with your view on Killzone 2, it does seem to be in an indentity crisis.

One game that is completely un original and over rated is Resistance fall of man.

I havnt played the second one so i cant comment on that.

But how the hell did it score anything over 7 ?

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i played up till the driving part....it handles exactly like a warthog in halo and the gunner was so useless i was running down more people than he even shot at
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#7 ghandi_2005
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See I thought the same thing, I've recently seen some reviews for halo wars from GS, and most people on this site hates the GS reviews. When killzone 2 got a 9 people was like YEAH!!!, but they becamehypocriticalwhen Halo wars got a 6.7. I thought that wasstupid,becauseHalo wars is a great game. So i'm gonna start calling people out, when the startreferring to GS reviews.
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#8 CyanX73
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The character models look great in spots, but the environments have anti-alasing problems. Jaggies, apparently, are here to stay on the PS3. The lighting is perhaps the best I've ever seen and it makes the game so gorgeous. It's still AAA in my opinion. I won't knock a FPS for not giving me a bioshock type quality story. I'm here for the action. The game had that in spades. If you coped it and don't like it then to each their own. No game is going to be great to everyone. However, I'd advise you to sell it while you can still make a decent return and pick up something else.
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#9 EmperorSupreme
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I'm loving KZ2 right now, best FPS I've played since COD4 and the online is terrific, but isn't there still a sticky?
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#10 CyanX73
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See I thought the same thing, I've recently seen some reviews for halo wars from GS, and most people on this site hates the GS reviews. When killzone 2 got a 9 people was like YEAH!!!, but they becamehypocriticalwhen Halo wars got a 6.7. I thought that wasstupid,becauseHalo wars is a great game. So i'm gonna start calling people out, when the startreferring to GS reviews.ghandi_2005
C'mon man. If you look at the median scores for Halo Wars then yes, GS did slam it. But to contrast that to KZ2, a game that is for the most part AAA on most sites, is simply insane. 2 different genres to begin with. People are so skeptical of GS reviews because it had a long history of slamming PS3 exclusives. Not saying I agree with this or not, but Ratchet and Clank got slammed hard by this site. After that people started to raise an eyebrows. Then consider the whole controversy surrounding Kayne and Lynch and you begin to see why many started to come up with some interesting monikers for this site.
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#11 ghandi_2005
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I'm not saying the game is horrible, it's justcompletelyover-hyped. The games controls suck unless you put them on the Advanced 2 settings. Another thing that ruined it for me was theinclusionof six-axis. That really made me mad. Beautiful game, but not the best looking console game. I was stunned, about how many reviews said this, Those reviews areflawedto hell and back. If you get a chance Take a look at textures and some of the environments. Then for laughs take a look at Gears 2, you will see what I mean. The best way to do this though is on a nice HDTV.
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#12 ghandi_2005
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That's the same instance with the EDGE magazine review (7) of killzone 2 compared with the GS review (6.7) of Halo Wars, the only difference is the medium. If you look at other reviews of halo wars it ranges from 8.5 - 9. Killzone 8.5 -10.
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#13 TX360
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It looks amazing and is great fun to play thats all i care about.
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#14 r-teest
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Why are you all soo picky over games. I mean, yes polished games are nice. good depth and story etc. but, people! do u all expect every game to be perfect?
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#15 ghandi_2005
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No, i just question the hype factor, and fanboys. lol

Why are you all soo picky over games. I mean, yes polished games are nice. good depth and story etc. but, people! do u all expect every game to be perfect?r-teest

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#16 FF6fan
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Is there really any way KZ2 could've been original? I mean what are they going to do throw barney in the mix and have a dance off? How do you suspect a FPS will be original? Almost everything has been done in an FPS so the only thing that can set KZ apart from the rest is Graphics(which they did). I'm not defending KZ2 but i just don't get why people say un-original. Almost every game would be un-original if the TC had something to say about it. Not to mention the overrated term, which is PERSONAL OPINION. Scores are personal opinion, if you disagree, okay but don't go bashing/throwing around 'overrated' someones opinion on the game. I don't agree with some of the reviews on this site but overall they give a score i agree with. You take the good with the bad and let it go.
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#17 Bread_or_Decide
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I don't know what people want anymore. When I see a high score I at least know it'll be worth the purchase. Some people seem to be expecting a religious experience or somethingg. Its just a game.
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#18 r-teest
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gHandi_2005...??? whats the point of quoting my post?
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#19 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="ghandi_2005"]No, i just question the hype factor, and fanboys. lol

Why are you all soo picky over games. I mean, yes polished games are nice. good depth and story etc. but, people! do u all expect every game to be perfect?r-teest

Big games get hyped. *shrug* Its part of the business. But hype can kill your game as easy as it can help it.
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#20 r-teest
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I don't know what people want anymore. When I see a high score I at least know it'll be worth the purchase. Some people seem to be expecting a religious experience or somethingg. Its just a game. Bread_or_Decide
Thank you. someone understands
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#21 ghandi_2005
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What's the point in calling me out? I quoted you, just to let you know who I was talking to, so don't take it as me bashing you, because I wasn't.
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#22 r-teest
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oh mybad:oops:
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#23 ghandi_2005
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No problem:D
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#24 ghandi_2005
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So by your standards, it's ok for a fanboy to scream a rave about a game and how it is so much more superior than anything out there. Ok, and yes if they did throw barney in there, it would have at least made it stand out from the crowd a little more. I'm like that idea, maybe they should do a Killzone 2 remix. The game SUFFERS from something called IDENTITY CRISIS. That is my statement.
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So by your standards, it's ok for a fanboy to scream a rave about a game and how it is so much more superior than anything out there. Ok, and yes if they did throw barney in there, it would have at least made it stand out from the crowd a little more. I'm like that idea, maybe they should do a Killzone 2 remix. The game SUFFERS from something called IDENTITY CRISIS. That is my statement.ghandi_2005
Well you have control of what you read on here, you can choose to ignore threads that do hype it. I totally ignored almost all KZ2 hype threads because personally i didn't like the first one and i really didn't think i'd like this one. So can't say whether or not i agree(on the identity crisis), haven't played KZ2(it's sitting on my coffee table) but argueing the fact of overrated is ignorant. It's someones opinion, if someone likes it they shouldn't go around rubbing it in peoples faces and vice-versa. I hated Motorstorm but i don't go around telling people who liked it their wrong.
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#26 Bread_or_Decide
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So by your standards, it's ok for a fanboy to scream a rave about a game and how it is so much more superior than anything out there. Ok, and yes if they did throw barney in there, it would have at least made it stand out from the crowd a little more. I'm like that idea, maybe they should do a Killzone 2 remix. The game SUFFERS from something called IDENTITY CRISIS. That is my statement.ghandi_2005
I don't think KZ2 ever set out to be all that original. It did meet expectations though and perhaps has exceeded them in certain areas. Considering KZ is a pretty well defined franchies at this point with a consistency across all its games in tones, style, and design I don't think that shows any sign of having an identity crisis. Now is the KZ world all that interesting? Perhaps not. The helghast are an illogical enemy and they only wear those suits because it "looks cool" in a game. But again I don't think KZ2 ever strived to be more than just a fun FPS in a sea of FPS's.
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#27 ghandi_2005
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Then why are you in this discussion? Like you said you can ignore this thread, and also maybe you should play the game before you comment. This isn't a personal flame, it's just something you might want to consider.
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#28 Bread_or_Decide
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I also find that die hard FPS fans aren't looking for originality. I always ask my friends who are die hard FPS fans if they ever get tired of the same old formula..they look at me like I'm CRAZY. So I don't think this is a genre that has a fanbase that WANTS originality or unique gameplay. They want the same gameplay in a new setting.
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#29 ghandi_2005
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I don't know about that, if you remember back in 2006 they threw out that trailer, and basically said that this is it. Ever since then all the publicity this game has gotten has beenridiculous. If the game was anything close to what that first trailer that was shown, we would been talking about things a little differently today. If that was the real game I would be just like all the other 10 year old kids on here that say that "This is the best FPS ever made, or, KILLZONE 2 Graphics kings FOREVER". WTF, it's almost like people are holding it up as SONY's holy grail. I have idea though, when GOW 3 comes out, we will have a better product. Then we will talk about some thing being awesome.
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#30 FF6fan
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I entered the discussion because of your use of the Overrated and Un-original, like i said before i am not defending KZ2. I could care less what KZ2 got but calling games overrated/un-original is stupid. No game is going to satisfy everything you want and if it you didn't like it then well that sucks you lost $60 but you get over it.
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#31 ghandi_2005
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Please walk away, nothing against you, but please.
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#32 Bread_or_Decide
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But wasn't KZ2 a fun ride?
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#33 ghandi_2005
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It wasn't until the mid point, then from there it started to go down hill with the 20 minutes of hell at the end.

But wasn't KZ2 a fun ride?Bread_or_Decide

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#34 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="ghandi_2005"]It wasn't until the mid point, then from there it started to go down hill with the 20 minutes of hell at the end.

But wasn't KZ2 a fun ride?Bread_or_Decide

I don't think I've ever played a FPS that didn't fizzle out at the end.
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#35 ghandi_2005
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You need to play, FEAR 2, i enjoyed it way more that Killzone 2, plus the story was a whole lot more interesting. [QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="ghandi_2005"]It wasn't until the mid point, then from there it started to go down hill with the 20 minutes of hell at the end.

But wasn't KZ2 a fun ride?Bread_or_Decide

I don't think I've ever played a FPS that didn't fizzle out at the end.

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#36 DOF_power
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^ Killzone 2 is about as generic as it gets, unfortunately the same as FEAR 2. Wolfenstein in the future, with ubersoldats and Tesla gun included. At least Resistance 2 and Gears 2 had more diversity.

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Is there really any way KZ2 could've been original? I mean what are they going to do throw barney in the mix and have a dance off? How do you suspect a FPS will be original? Almost everything has been done in an FPS FF6fan

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#38 Darkenmal
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Well yesterday I finished the greatest FPS ever made, and when I say that, I'm actually being sarcastic. Which you already know what PS3 exclusive I am talking about. Lets get started here. First off this game clocks in about 7 hours and 4 minutes,whichit doesn't really get interesting until the mid point. I won't give anyspoilers, but the game does lack something, and it's called depth. I have played the original, and yes this is a good follow up to the original story, butcomeon it's not epic. If you want epic story, then look at MGS 4, that is the best game this generation. Killzone 2 is stuck in between trying to be COD4, Halo, and Gears. The game really doesn't have it's own identity. With that said, I do believe it is the best PS3 shooter, but not the best console shooter. As far agraphicsgo it is pretty, but if you take a look a textures and character models "BLEH". Killzone 2 has great lighting, but under all that it looks like $%!^. If you don't believe I have played it, I will post pics up tomorrow, and prove it. I can even tell you everything about the game if you want. As an owner of all three next gen systems I 'm not gonna pick sides, because I play games to have fun. I'm a true gamer, and if you call your self a real gamer then there wouldn't be anything called system wars. I'm open to discussion.

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Why are you all soo picky over games. I mean, yes polished games are nice. good depth and story etc. but, people! do u all expect every game to be perfect?r-teest

funny,when concerning the 360,someone saying what you said would not be a good excuse. :roll:

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#40 Darkenmal
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[QUOTE="r-teest"]Why are you all soo picky over games. I mean, yes polished games are nice. good depth and story etc. but, people! do u all expect every game to be perfect?Kandlegoat

funny,when concerning the 360,someone saying what you said is not a good excuse. :roll:

wtf is that supposed to mean?
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[QUOTE="FF6fan"]Is there really any way KZ2 could've been original? I mean what are they going to do throw barney in the mix and have a dance off? How do you suspect a FPS will be original? Almost everything has been done in an FPS Kandlegoat

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#43 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="r-teest"]Why are you all soo picky over games. I mean, yes polished games are nice. good depth and story etc. but, people! do u all expect every game to be perfect?Darkenmal

funny,when concerning the 360,someone saying what you said is not a good excuse. :roll:

wtf is that supposed to mean?

well let's put this into simpler terms.shall we?

when it concerns a Sony game being flawed or unoriginal..it's justified with the ol"nothing is original,not everything can be perfect" card.

Yet, when it comes to a 360 game being flawed or unoriginal,there's no excuse...

is that understandable enough?

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#44 Aku101
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The reason why Halo Wars scored low because there is a high standard for RTS. It simply does not hold a candle against past RTS legends such as Starcraft and certainly does not compare to the upcoming RTS games.
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#45 V_Zarnold_N
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The graphics are awesome and the gameplay is par. The story isnt much i kinda feel like its a psuedo-futuristic WW2 i mean the helghast and the isa seem to have resemblances between the allies and axis. I mean you kick the game off with a Hitleresque speach about how "we will not be opressed and blah blah blah" i played through about half of the first one and im done with the second one but with the exception of invading a planet in the first one what did the helghast do that was so bad? i mean i think that the isa put them on that planet because something was wrong with them which in itself is a heinous act. At any rate only carrying one weapon is freaking lame as all get out and i never did really get into the multiplayer as most matches were litered with bots or people who dont VC which is a pain when you play on a console "im not typing when im using a controller". Personally i dont think it deserves a 9.0 id give it a 8. The multiplayer which was supposed to be awesome according to GT is weak and a rip off of CoD and Team Fortress, the story is watered down and weak. I think its over-hyped. If all you have is a ps3 than by all means buy it because its definately worth playing but yeah... its pretty un-original and overrated.
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#46 ghandi_2005
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Are you serious, if I was a M$ fanboy I wouldn't have bought K2. So get out of here, Last time I checked a fanboy is someone who praises one particular thing. I have all three. What does that make you? You FAIL!!!!
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Well yesterday I finished the greatest FPS ever made, and when I say that, I'm actually being sarcastic. Which you already know what PS3 exclusive I am talking about. Lets get started here. First off this game clocks in about 7 hours and 4 minutes,whichit doesn't really get interesting until the mid point. I won't give anyspoilers, but the game does lack something, and it's called depth. I have played the original, and yes this is a good follow up to the original story, butcomeon it's not epic. If you want epic story, then look at MGS 4, that is the best game this generation. Killzone 2 is stuck in between trying to be COD4, Halo, and Gears. The game really doesn't have it's own identity. With that said, I do believe it is the best PS3 shooter, but not the best console shooter. As far agraphicsgo it is pretty, but if you take a look a textures and character models "BLEH". Killzone 2 has great lighting, but under all that it looks like $%!^. If you don't believe I have played it, I will post pics up tomorrow, and prove it. I can even tell you everything about the game if you want. As an owner of all three next gen systems I 'm not gonna pick sides, because I play games to have fun. I'm a true gamer, and if you call your self a real gamer then there wouldn't be anything called system wars. I'm open to discussion.

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#47 ghandi_2005
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You know what games sets killzone 2 on fire and the stomps it out with a steel toed boot? HALF LIFE 2!!!!!
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#48 ghandi_2005
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You really can't compare console RTS to PC RTS, I mean by all standard PC is a better system for it, but You have to give Ensemble props for creating a formula that works for console. RTS hasn't been crafted very well for console until now. I think it will do the same thing Halo did for console RTS and make it enjoyable and it will set a standard for many years to come.
The reason why Halo Wars scored low because there is a high standard for RTS. It simply does not hold a candle against past RTS legends such as Starcraft and certainly does not compare to the upcoming RTS games.Aku101
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#49 bytgames
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You really can't compare console RTS to PC RTS, I mean by all standard PC is a better system for it, but You have to give Ensemble props for creating a formula that works for console. RTS hasn't been crafted very well for console until now. I think it will do the same thing Halo did for console RTS and make it enjoyable and it will set a standard for many years to come. [QUOTE="Aku101"]The reason why Halo Wars scored low because there is a high standard for RTS. It simply does not hold a candle against past RTS legends such as Starcraft and certainly does not compare to the upcoming RTS games.ghandi_2005

doubt it, because halo wars sucks, ive played it and sold it. it has taught me and most gamers that RTS sucks especially on consoles, even if you add the name halo in it , it still sucks, im sure microsoft, and every other RTS game company has scratched the idea of making RTS on consoles, after the garbage that was halo wars came out.
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#50 ghandi_2005
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The game isn't out yet, unless somebody broke street date, I highly doubt you have played it. The demo was great, and by saying that the whole RTS genre suck is idiotic.
[QUOTE="ghandi_2005"]You really can't compare console RTS to PC RTS, I mean by all standard PC is a better system for it, but You have to give Ensemble props for creating a formula that works for console. RTS hasn't been crafted very well for console until now. I think it will do the same thing Halo did for console RTS and make it enjoyable and it will set a standard for many years to come. [QUOTE="Aku101"]The reason why Halo Wars scored low because there is a high standard for RTS. It simply does not hold a candle against past RTS legends such as Starcraft and certainly does not compare to the upcoming RTS games.bytgames

doubt it, because halo wars sucks, ive played it and sold it. it has taught me and most gamers that RTS sucks especially on consoles, even if you add the name halo in it , it still sucks, im sure microsoft, and every other RTS game company has scratched the idea of making RTS on consoles, after the garbage that was halo wars came out.