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lol, that's pretty funny. I don't think Balthier's girly but the others are right on.the-very-bestThat list should have just had Barret on every page and be done with it.
[QUOTE="the-very-best"]lol, that's pretty funny. I don't think Balthier's girly but the others are right on.DaysAirlinesThat list should have just had Barret on every page and be done with it.
No im just saying that you dont have to be rugged, and emotionless to be cool....Viviath
[QUOTE="Viviath"]No im just saying that you dont have to be rugged, and emotionless to be cool....Redmoonxl2
[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.Viviath
Agreed and agreed.
[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.Redmoonxl2
The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.
personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]
Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.fatzombiepigeon
The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.
You sir speak the truth.... I couldt agree with you any more.  Everything after FF7 to me has been trash, and as a PS3 owner I don't have much hope for square changing there characters for FF13 so....
[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine... I love FF, i was just sharing the article, not flaming. P.S. You have Kratos in your sig.Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.DaysAirlines
I lol'ed at the Kratos thing.Â
The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.
The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...
The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.
The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...
-RPGamer-
[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]
Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.shaggymcp
The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.
You sir speak the truth.... I couldt agree with you any more.  Everything after FF7 to me has been trash, and as a PS3 owner I don't have much hope for square changing there characters for FF13 so....
well if it makes you any happier, the main character in ffxiii really is a girl.[QUOTE="shaggymcp"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]
Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.LoG-Sacrament
The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.
You sir speak the truth.... I couldt agree with you any more.  Everything after FF7 to me has been trash, and as a PS3 owner I don't have much hope for square changing there characters for FF13 so....
well if it makes you any happier, the main character in ffxiii really is a girl.God, I hope so. I did like FF9 though. It was a lot better than the newer ones. Only a few characters had stupid costumes.
[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.
The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...
Redmoonxl2
I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.
These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.
Artstyle argument....well its a really repetitive art-style. (anime that is) Except for a few truly great male protaganists (Guts, Domon Kasshu, Gene Starwind and Spike) they are all emotional wimpy wrecks. and they look the part.
Look at Kratos. as manly as it gets but he evokes emotion definately.
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]
Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.fatzombiepigeon
The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.
You sir speak the truth.... I couldt agree with you any more.  Everything after FF7 to me has been trash, and as a PS3 owner I don't have much hope for square changing there characters for FF13 so....
well if it makes you any happier, the main character in ffxiii really is a girl.God, I hope so. I did like FF9 though. It was a lot better than the newer ones. Only a few characters had stupid costumes.
check out the trailers, it stars a girl named lightning(or thunder, i forget). it looks like square took a new approach: instead of starring a femanine dude, star a girl.[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.
The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...
-RPGamer-
I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.
These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.
The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...
-RPGamer-
I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.
These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.
If you like it that's fine, I admit it's part of the art style, but to me, impractical clothing is impractical. No way around it. I could understand more if they weren't fighting, but comon. I love anime, but I can't stand the clothing, for either gender. Royalty don't wear pink miniskirts and warriors don't not wear armor. Sorry, but that's just me. And overdone hairstyles are annoying.I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...
"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."
Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.
[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]personally I would rather have a character with emotions and character development over a character who is just a mindless killing machine...[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]
Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.LoG-Sacrament
The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.
You sir speak the truth.... I couldt agree with you any more.  Everything after FF7 to me has been trash, and as a PS3 owner I don't have much hope for square changing there characters for FF13 so....
well if it makes you any happier, the main character in ffxiii really is a girl.God, I hope so. I did like FF9 though. It was a lot better than the newer ones. Only a few characters had stupid costumes.
check out the trailers, it stars a girl named lightning(or thunder, i forget). it looks like square took a new approach: instead of starring a femanine dude, star a girl.OK, so I don't have to worry about being attracted to what I think is a woman then learn it has a penis
Artstyle argument....well its a really repetitive art-style. (anime that is) Except for a few truly great male protaganists (Guts, Domon Kasshu, Gene Starwind and Spike) they are all emotional wimpy wrecks. and they look the part.
Look at Kratos. as manly as it gets but he evokes emotion definately.
Grandstreamer
What and some of the art style found in western RPGs isn't repetitive? That's a horrid way to approach this topic.
Another horrid way to approach this topic is to make some massive generalization that they're all "emotional wimpy wrecks".
I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...
"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."
Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.
Leejjohno
metro =/= androgynous.
metro guys can be manly.
androgynous guys are never manly.
America, I'm glad to say hasn't followed Japan's suit. Women here still like men (majority) Which I think is good, because I don't want to have to make myself appear like an estrogen-pumped sucker.
[QUOTE="Grandstreamer"]Artstyle argument....well its a really repetitive art-style. (anime that is) Except for a few truly great male protaganists (Guts, Domon Kasshu, Gene Starwind and Spike) they are all emotional wimpy wrecks. and they look the part.
Look at Kratos. as manly as it gets but he evokes emotion definately.
-RPGamer-
What and some of theart style found in western RPGs isn't repetitive? That's a horrid way to approach this topic.
Another horrid way to approach this topic is to make some massive generalization that they're all "emotional wimpy wrecks".
Western artstyle has no one fixed 'style' its far more varied than anime so yes. Western art is nowhere near as repetitive.[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.
The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...
fatzombiepigeon
I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.
These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.
If you like it that's fine, I admit it's part of the art style, but to me, impractical clothing is impractical. No way around it. I could understand more if they weren't fighting, but comon. I love anime, but I can't stand the clothing, for either gender. Royalty don't wear pink miniskirts and warriors don't not wear armor. Sorry, but that's just me. And overdone hairstyles are annoying.Practical to what? This isn't reality, it's a fictional world created by people as they see fit. Your practicality isn't part of the design. It's fine they you don't like it, I never expect everyone to like it.
Overdone and over the top presentation is just part of manga style art, you either take it or leave it. Your choice.
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