Oxymoron Attack: Manliest Final Fantasy Characters

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"]

Artstyle argument....well its a really repetitive art-style. (anime that is) Except for a few truly great male protaganists (Guts, Domon Kasshu, Gene Starwind and Spike) they are all emotional wimpy wrecks. and they look the part.

Look at Kratos. as manly as it gets but he evokes emotion definately.

Grandstreamer

What and some of theart style found in western RPGs isn't repetitive? That's a horrid way to approach this topic.

Another horrid way to approach this topic is to make some massive generalization that they're all "emotional wimpy wrecks".

"Anime" is actually a large generalization of different styles, to some they appear the same but to people who actually care of the style they're quite different.

And yes you can find "fixed" styles in western games as well, and this is not a bad thing it's just reality.

[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.

The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...

-RPGamer-

I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.

These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.

Practical to what? This isn't reality, it's a fictional world created by people as they see fit. Your practicality isn't part of the design. It's fine they you don't like it, I never expect everyone to like it.

Overdone and over the top presentation is just part of manga style art, you either take it or leave it. Your choice.

I'm talking about heroes who go out and fight giant bloodthirsty monsters while wearing next to nothing, or are wearing stuff that would only really wear them down and serves no purpose. I don't care if it's a fictional world, because it's not the kind of fictional world I like. Like you said: Take it or leave it.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...

"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."

Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.

Grandstreamer

metro =/= androgynous.

metro guys can be manly.

androgynous guys are never manly.

America, I'm glad to say hasn't followed Japan's suit. Women here still like men (majority) Which I think is good, because I don't want to have to make myself appear like an estrogen-pumped sucker.

Never came accross that word. I guess it would be slang to say camp but i'll assume thats what it means.

[QUOTE="Grandstreamer"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...

"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."

Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.

Leejjohno

metro =/= androgynous.

metro guys can be manly.

androgynous guys are never manly.

America, I'm glad to say hasn't followed Japan's suit. Women here still like men (majority) Which I think is good, because I don't want to have to make myself appear like an estrogen-pumped sucker.

Never came accross that word. I guess it would be slang to say camp but i'll assume thats what it means.

[QUOTE="Grandstreamer"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"]

Artstyle argument....well its a really repetitive art-style. (anime that is) Except for a few truly great male protaganists (Guts, Domon Kasshu, Gene Starwind and Spike) they are all emotional wimpy wrecks. and they look the part.

Look at Kratos. as manly as it gets but he evokes emotion definately.

-RPGamer-

What and some of theart style found in western RPGs isn't repetitive? That's a horrid way to approach this topic.

Another horrid way to approach this topic is to make some massive generalization that they're all "emotional wimpy wrecks".

"Anime" is actually a large generalization of different styles, to some they appear the same but to people who actually care of the style they're quite different.

And yes you can find "fixed" styles in western games as well, and this is not a bad thing it's just reality.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...

"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."

Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.

Redmoonxl2

metro =/= androgynous.

metro guys can be manly.

androgynous guys are never manly.

America, I'm glad to say hasn't followed Japan's suit. Women here still like men (majority) Which I think is good, because I don't want to have to make myself appear like an estrogen-pumped sucker.

Never came accross that word. I guess it would be slang to say camp but i'll assume thats what it means.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...

"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."

Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.

Grandstreamer

metro =/= androgynous.

metro guys can be manly.

androgynous guys are never manly.

America, I'm glad to say hasn't followed Japan's suit. Women here still like men (majority) Which I think is good, because I don't want to have to make myself appear like an estrogen-pumped sucker.

Never came accross that word. I guess it would be slang to say camp but i'll assume thats what it means.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

I found this part of somebody's comment for part 1...

"A friend told me in Japan the guy that looks the most like a girl is considered cool."

Have you ever noticed how girls like to hang out with guys that look like girls? Its like a college fad or something. I suppose thats what Metro means.

Redmoonxl2

metro =/= androgynous.

metro guys can be manly.

androgynous guys are never manly.

America, I'm glad to say hasn't followed Japan's suit. Women here still like men (majority) Which I think is good, because I don't want to have to make myself appear like an estrogen-pumped sucker.

Never came accross that word. I guess it would be slang to say camp but i'll assume thats what it means.

No the other word... androgynous. I didn't know what Metro meant either about a year back. I put two and two together to make four when people on this forum started using "metro" for FF games (coincidentally? ), and I don't hear it being said socially. Pretty weak arguement against a game anyway.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.

The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...

fatzombiepigeon

I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.

These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.

Practical to what? This isn't reality, it's a fictional world created by people as they see fit. Your practicality isn't part of the design. It's fine they you don't like it, I never expect everyone to like it.

Overdone and over the top presentation is just part of manga style art, you either take it or leave it. Your choice.

I'm talking about heroes who go out and fight giant bloodthirsty monsters while wearing next to nothing, or are wearing stuff that would only really wear them down and serves no purpose. I don't care if it's a fictional world, because it's not the kind of fictional world I like. Like you said: Take it or leave it.

Compared to what? I mean how many people do you know that fight blood thirsty monsters, or any monsters for that matter.

Let's look at it this way many super heroes outfits are over the top, does that bother you as well? It's essentially the same deal, just different side of the pond.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Grandstreamer"]

Artstyle argument....well its a really repetitive art-style. (anime that is) Except for a few truly great male protaganists (Guts, Domon Kasshu, Gene Starwind and Spike) they are all emotional wimpy wrecks. and they look the part.

Look at Kratos. as manly as it gets but he evokes emotion definately.

Grandstreamer

What and some of theart style found in western RPGs isn't repetitive? That's a horrid way to approach this topic.

Another horrid way to approach this topic is to make some massive generalization that they're all "emotional wimpy wrecks".

"Anime" is actually a large generalization of different styles, to some they appear the same but to people who actually care of the style they're quite different.

And yes you can find "fixed" styles in western games as well, and this is not a bad thing it's just reality.

Well you should know it's a generalization then since you've watched for such a long period of time.

And in western RPGs the builds are often heavier, dark gritty themes (often medieval), and are often stoic in emotion (or no emotion what so ever). I mean I like both presentation styles but I can make the same generalizations.

Compared to what? I mean how many people do you know that fight blood thirsty monsters, or any monsters for that matter.

Let's look at it this way many super heroes outfits are over the top, does that bother you as well? It's essentially the same deal, just different side of the pond.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.

The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...

-RPGamer-

I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.

These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.

Practical to what? This isn't reality, it's a fictional world created by people as they see fit. Your practicality isn't part of the design. It's fine they you don't like it, I never expect everyone to like it.

Overdone and over the top presentation is just part of manga style art, you either take it or leave it. Your choice.

I'm talking about heroes who go out and fight giant bloodthirsty monsters while wearing next to nothing, or are wearing stuff that would only really wear them down and serves no purpose. I don't care if it's a fictional world, because it's not the kind of fictional world I like. Like you said: Take it or leave it.

Compared to what? I mean how many people do you know that fight blood thirsty monsters, or any monsters for that matter.

Let's look at it this way many super heroes outfits are over the top, does that bother you as well? It's essentially the same deal, just different side of the pond.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]Compared to what? I mean how many people do you know that fight blood thirsty monsters, or any monsters for that matter.

Let's look at it this way many super heroes outfits are over the top, does that bother you as well? It's essentially the same deal, just different side of the pond.

Redmoonxl2

I'll agree they are just fictional pieces of entertainment.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

The male FF protagonist don't look like females to me at all. Considering the flavor of artistic direction and the actual female protagonist featured in the same titles, I think it's really obvious which is which when it comes to sex.

The fact that so many people act like they look like females kind of worries me more than the subject at hand...

fatzombiepigeon

I don't think it's an issue with male characters in FF games being androgynous. If anything, it's an issue where male characters are portrayed as simply being too feminine in appearance. I understand it's a matter of artistic direction but to be quite frank, it just seems too out of place to put characters that look like they walked out of a beauty parlor and put them in a monster slaying setting. However, I will concede that it does work at a certain level.

These are fictional worlds, it's not really out of place, b/c the "place" defines itself imho. It's not just FF either it's the vast majority of JRPGs sharing this view on male protagonist, and it really comes down to the art style.

Practical to what? This isn't reality, it's a fictional world created by people as they see fit. Your practicality isn't part of the design. It's fine they you don't like it, I never expect everyone to like it.

Overdone and over the top presentation is just part of manga style art, you either take it or leave it. Your choice.

I'm talking about heroes who go out and fight giant bloodthirsty monsters while wearing next to nothing, or are wearing stuff that would only really wear them down and serves no purpose. I don't care if it's a fictional world, because it's not the kind of fictional world I like. Like you said: Take it or leave it.

Compared to what? I mean how many people do you know that fight blood thirsty monsters, or any monsters for that matter.

Let's look at it this way many super heroes outfits are over the top, does that bother you as well? It's essentially the same deal, just different side of the pond.

Cool at least you're consistent, give you some props for that.

I never said your opinion wasn't valid "man", nor was I twisting it, I clearly recall saying that not everyone will like it actually. 

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4 [url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-manliest-men-of-final-fantasy-part-five-29876.phtml]Part 5[/urll] Some of them are controversial, some of those are dead on. Nice well formed list.fatzombiepigeon

The art direction, story, and charcters in the Final Fantasies have gotten so lame and boring, I don't have any urge to play any of them at all. I absolutely hate FF10, FF10-2, and FF12 because it's gotten so rediculous with character looks.

You sir speak the truth.... I couldt agree with you any more.   Everything after FF7 to me has been trash, and as a PS3 owner I don't have much hope for square changing there characters for FF13 so....

God, I hope so. I did like FF9 though. It was a lot better than the newer ones. Only a few characters had stupid costumes.

OK, so I don't have to worry about being attracted to what I think is a woman then learn it has a penis