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I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

nchan

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

[QUOTE="nchan"]

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

VideoGameGuy

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

Mr_Matthews

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

nchan

And What 3rd party is making alot of money by making Wii games? None.

The Wii is a money pot for Nintendo and a black hole for developers and publishers. Nintendo can put out anything it wants and slap a franchise name or character on it and it will sell to the Nintendo base like hotcakes. Without that name recognition, Wii games sit on the shelves and die.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games take more capital to make, and more talent and resources, but IF you make a quality game, the game can actually yeild results. The market is muck more crowded in PS3 and 360 gaming, so a game really has to stand out to bring in the money to turn a profit, and a subpar game (like Lair or Ninja Blade) will end up costing the publisher and devs a lot of money.

So its a risk/reward situation, were with creating a PS3/360 multiplat or exclusive, you take more risk by spending more money in the creation of the game, in a more competitve environment, in the hope you can score a hit, and and make the big bucks and maybe even start a franchise. With Wii games, its low risk, as development is cheap and doesn't require top level talent, but the reward factor is very low as your not going to turn much of a profit and are much less likely to get any brand recognition or start a franchise.

Sucker Punch made games exclusive to N64 and then left to make games for sony. Oh look, infamous is being released this month. So no, not all companies end up bad due to leaving nintendo.

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

Mr_Matthews

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

nchan

One case doesn't make a blanket statement. There are many publishers that have switched allegiance and still survived. FirstDiscovery was trying to blame the failure of Factor 5 on Nintendo. The ignorance goes both ways.

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

Mr_Matthews

Compared to the predecessors of the series it was garbage reviews though.

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

Mr_Matthews

[QUOTE="Mr_Matthews"]

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

Compared to the predecessors of the series it was garbage reviews though.

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

[QUOTE="nchan"]

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

evilross

And What 3rd party is making alot of money by making Wii games? None.

The Wii is a money pot for Nintendo and a black hole for developers and publishers. Nintendo can put out anything it wants and slap a franchise name or character on it and it will sell to the Nintendo base like hotcakes. Without that name recognition, Wii games sit on the shelves and die.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games take more capital to make, and more talent and resources, but IF you make a quality game, the game can actually yeild results. The market is muck more crowded in PS3 and 360 gaming, so a game really has to stand out to bring in the money to turn a profit, and a subpar game (like Lair or Ninja Blade) will end up costing the publisher and devs a lot of money.

So its a risk/reward situation, were with creating a PS3/360 multiplat or exclusive, you take more risk by spending more money in the creation of the game, in a more competitve environment, in the hope you can score a hit, and and make the big bucks and maybe even start a franchise. With Wii games, its low risk, as development is cheap and doesn't require top level talent, but the reward factor is very low as your not going to turn much of a profit and are much less likely to get any brand recognition or start a franchise.

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

primitive013

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

primitive013

[QUOTE="primitive013"]

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

thegoldenpoo

You must be on the debate team or something. Your rebuttal was rock solid hahahahaha.

[QUOTE="primitive013"]

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

thegoldenpoo

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="primitive013"]

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

primitive013

You must be on the debate team or something. Your rebuttal was rock solid hahahahaha.

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[QUOTE="Mr_Matthews"]

Well, the new Banjo Kazooie got pretty good reviews.

Bread_or_Decide

Compared to the predecessors of the series it was garbage reviews though.

Its certainly not nearly as good as a 9.5 and 9.6 which is what Banjo kazooie and Tooie got on here. If your not comparing it to its predecessors than its definitely a solid score though.

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

nchan

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

Compared to the predecessors of the series it was garbage reviews though.

oldmanriver1

Its certainly not nearly as good as a 9.5 and 9.6 which is what Banjo kazooie and Tooie got on here. If your not comparing it to its predecessors than its definitely a solid score though.

You make it sound like the gap between 8 and 9 is somehow larger than fx 6-7 or 7-8 :)

[QUOTE="nchan"]

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

SER69

I see you've come out of the Wii forums to take a pot-shot at the vile scurge of HD :roll:

Sometimes Devs just make bad decisions, regardless of how many pixels they are using. Nintnedo is not autiomatically better for developers you know.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="primitive013"]

They introduced HD gaming into consoles too soon IMO. The proof is in the pudding, just look at sales of the PS2 and Wii. Two non-HD consoles are killing the two HD consoles in sales. If the OG XBox was still supported, it would still sale too. The so-called hardcore are wrong, they're killing gaming, not so-called casuals. The casuals are carrying the industry, IMO.

jimkabrhel

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"] You couldn't be more wrong. thepwninator

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

Fair enough.

However, I abhor people giving a complete denial without provide any thoughts or evidence to back up what they deny. Speaking as a scientist, the line between opinion and hypothesis can oftentimes be very small.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

jimkabrhel

Fair enough.

However, I abhor people giving a complete denial without provide any thoughts or evidence to back up what they deny. Speaking as a scientist, the line between opinion and hypothesis can oftentimes be very small.

[QUOTE="SER69"][QUOTE="nchan"]

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

thegoldenpoo

I see you've come out of the Wii forums to take a pot-shot at the vile scurge of HD :roll:

Sometimes Devs just make bad decisions, regardless of how many pixels they are using. Nintnedo is not autiomatically better for developers you know.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

[QUOTE="SER69"] - Rare - Silicon Knights - Flagship - SquareSER69

I see you've come out of the Wii forums to take a pot-shot at the vile scurge of HD :roll:

Sometimes Devs just make bad decisions, regardless of how many pixels they are using. Nintnedo is not autiomatically better for developers you know.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"] You couldn't be more wrong. thepwninator

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

THANKYOU!

The "Well it's his opinion!" Defence of down right wrong comments is a thin one, this was nit an opinion. It was an assertion with IMO tacked on the end. IMO is not a defece for having your nonsense picked apart. You could just say "Oranges are Blue IMO". It's got IMO in it but it is a wrong assertion.

Ok now that's out of the way, yeah all these so called 'Hardcores' demanding decent software, not settling for gimped on-line. this is waht is killing gaming. Not software companies pandering to simplisitic formulaic games on the Wii. I mean heack it's not like the HD systems have any decent games on them, screw the facts i want more causal games so i can quote sales and tell people how we are saving gaming! Yey! :|.

The HD systems are not at a disadvantage, how could "Hardcore" gaming be killing gaming? You refer to the casuals but you never really define either party, is it just an arbitrary line? Well say the 'Casuals' are saving gaming is just plain wrong. sure they add gross to some companies but as far as decent gamea are concerned the traditional audience is still coughing up the dough to keep them coming.

Take for example the game in my sig STALKER, how are undergound gems like that "Help up by the casuals?" this is what gaming survies on, compaines taking risks becuase they know there is a decicated audience out there who want more than a shallow 5 minuite mini game. "Gaming" is a very broad thing, if you are talking about unit shifing then yes the casuals make an impace but if we are talking about developers and them being able to make decent games (ie what we want!!!) then your statements about the "Hardcore" gamer hold no water.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"] Because what he's saying isn't actually an opinion. It's a hypothesis, and hypotheses CAN be very, very wrong. I abhor this "he can't be wrong because it's his opinion" crap that has plagued every corner of the internet for the past year or two BECAUSE no one seems to comprehend what separates an opinion from other things like hypotheses and theories.thepwninator

Fair enough.

However, I abhor people giving a complete denial without provide any thoughts or evidence to back up what they deny. Speaking as a scientist, the line between opinion and hypothesis can oftentimes be very small.

Quick off topic, but as a chemist, I tend to look down on the social sciences as well. :D

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

thegoldenpoo

THANKYOU!

The "Well it's his opinion!" Defence of down right wrong comments is a thin one, this was nit an opinion. It was an assertion with IMO tacked on the end. IMO is not a defece for having your nonsense picked apart. You could just say "Oranges are Blue IMO". It's got IMO in it but it is a wrong assertion.

Ok now that's out of the way, yeah all these so called 'Hardcores' demanding decent software, not settling for gimped on-line. this is waht is killing gaming. Not software companies pandering to simplisitic formulaic games on the Wii. I mean heack it's not like the HD systems have any decent games on them, screw the facts i want more causal games so i can quote sales and tell people how we are saving gaming! Yey! :|.

The HD systems are not at a disadvantage, how could "Hardcore" gaming be killing gaming? You refer to the casuals but you never really define either party, is it just an arbitrary line? Well say the 'Casuals' are saving gaming is just plain wrong. sure they add gross to some companies but as far as decent gamea are concerned the traditional audience is still coughing up the dough to keep them coming.

Take for example the game in my sig STALKER, how are undergound gems like that "Help up by the casuals?" this is what gaming survies on, compaines taking risks becuase they know there is a decicated audience out there who want more than a shallow 5 minuite mini game. "Gaming" is a very broad thing, if you are talking about unit shifing then yes the casuals make an impace but if we are talking about developers and them being able to make decent games (ie what we want!!!) then your statements about the "Hardcore" gamer hold no water.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"] Because what he's saying isn't actually an opinion. It's a hypothesis, and hypotheses CAN be very, very wrong. I abhor this "he can't be wrong because it's his opinion" crap that has plagued every corner of the internet for the past year or two BECAUSE no one seems to comprehend what separates an opinion from other things like hypotheses and theories.GundamGuy0

THANKYOU!

The "Well it's his opinion!" Defence of down right wrong comments is a thin one, this was nit an opinion. It was an assertion with IMO tacked on the end. IMO is not a defece for having your nonsense picked apart. You could just say "Oranges are Blue IMO". It's got IMO in it but it is a wrong assertion.

Ok now that's out of the way, yeah all these so called 'Hardcores' demanding decent software, not settling for gimped on-line. this is waht is killing gaming. Not software companies pandering to simplisitic formulaic games on the Wii. I mean heack it's not like the HD systems have any decent games on them, screw the facts i want more causal games so i can quote sales and tell people how we are saving gaming! Yey! :|.

The HD systems are not at a disadvantage, how could "Hardcore" gaming be killing gaming? You refer to the casuals but you never really define either party, is it just an arbitrary line? Well say the 'Casuals' are saving gaming is just plain wrong. sure they add gross to some companies but as far as decent gamea are concerned the traditional audience is still coughing up the dough to keep them coming.

Take for example the game in my sig STALKER, how are undergound gems like that "Help up by the casuals?" this is what gaming survies on, compaines taking risks becuase they know there is a decicated audience out there who want more than a shallow 5 minuite mini game. "Gaming" is a very broad thing, if you are talking about unit shifing then yes the casuals make an impace but if we are talking about developers and them being able to make decent games (ie what we want!!!) then your statements about the "Hardcore" gamer hold no water.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

It's his opinion. How can it be wrong?

thegoldenpoo

THANKYOU!

The "Well it's his opinion!" Defence of down right wrong comments is a thin one, this was nit an opinion. It was an assertion with IMO tacked on the end. IMO is not a defece for having your nonsense picked apart. You could just say "Oranges are Blue IMO". It's got IMO in it but it is a wrong assertion.

I gotta agree with this. I've seen plenty of people use the "bu bu opinion" defence....and it's getting annoying.

Yes you have the right to your own opinion...but depending on what it is it IS entirely possible for your opinion to be wrong.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"] Because what he's saying isn't actually an opinion. It's a hypothesis, and hypotheses CAN be very, very wrong. I abhor this "he can't be wrong because it's his opinion" crap that has plagued every corner of the internet for the past year or two BECAUSE no one seems to comprehend what separates an opinion from other things like hypotheses and theories.Shinobishyguy

THANKYOU!

The "Well it's his opinion!" Defence of down right wrong comments is a thin one, this was nit an opinion. It was an assertion with IMO tacked on the end. IMO is not a defece for having your nonsense picked apart. You could just say "Oranges are Blue IMO". It's got IMO in it but it is a wrong assertion.

I was trying to encourage him to give some evidence, isntead of the blanket statement " YOU ARE WRONG".

I gotta agree with this. I've seen plenty of people use the "bu bu opinion" defence....and it's getting annoying.

Yes you have the right to your own opinion...but depending on what it is it IS entirely possible for your opinion to be wrong.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

THANKYOU!

The "Well it's his opinion!" Defence of down right wrong comments is a thin one, this was nit an opinion. It was an assertion with IMO tacked on the end. IMO is not a defece for having your nonsense picked apart. You could just say "Oranges are Blue IMO". It's got IMO in it but it is a wrong assertion.

jimkabrhel

I gotta agree with this. I've seen plenty of people use the "bu bu opinion" defence....and it's getting annoying.

Yes you have the right to your own opinion...but depending on what it is it IS entirely possible for your opinion to be wrong.

I was trying to encourage him to give some evidence, isntead of the blanket statement " YOU ARE WRONG".

I think the three of us complaining about it are complaining about the trend in general, which is unarguably extremely annoying.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

I gotta agree with this. I've seen plenty of people use the "bu bu opinion" defence....and it's getting annoying.

Yes you have the right to your own opinion...but depending on what it is it IS entirely possible for your opinion to be wrong.

thepwninator

I was trying to encourage him to give some evidence, isntead of the blanket statement " YOU ARE WRONG".

I think the three of us complaining about it are complaining about the trend in general, which is unarguably extremely annoying.

Which is why I'm going to stop using the "it's his opinion" defense, lest I become annoying myself. I don't want to contribute to a trend here.

I heard Factor 5 went bankrup after they left Nintendo to make Lair for the PS3. Seem like developers that left Nintendo to make exclusive games for other consoles are either went bankrup or fail in making quality games. Any other developers?

nchan

heres another one , ,free radical ,, they were doing well before they made haze for ps3,

now theres 3d realms whom made quake 4 for the 360 launch , , that was their last game lol

then theres midway who last mad mortal kombat dc univers for ps3 360 they should have made it for every console available they could have still been here

heres another one , ,free radical ,, they were doing well before they made haze for ps3,

now theres 3d realms whom made quake 4 for the 360 launch , , that was their last game lol

then theres midway who last mad mortal kombat dc univers for ps3 360 they should have made it for every console available they could have still been here

mariokart64fan

3D Realms didn't release Quake 4, they released Prey and made money on it. The reason they went under is because they started developing a game 13 years ago that they never managed to release. Long before any HD console.

Midway actually made a ton of money on MK vs DC it's just that they have done a ton of bad games this gen that hasn't sold well from the start. It would not have mattered if Midway did a Wii version they would still not be here today.


You have two major faults in your post. One is the fact that the developers you mentioned was never Nintendo exclusive so they don't fit the TC claim that if you leave Nintendo you will go under. The second is mentioning Midway which has basically nothing to do with this thread as the reason they are out is because of a ton of failures this gen and not ONE failure.