PC Developers: Your money is getting hardware manufactuteres fatter and fatter!!

Lately we hear a lot from PC devs crying how piracy is hurting them...But instead of knocking the pirates door (who in absence of piracy wouldnt have bought the games anyway, they would simply hack a console and pirate there)....what they should do is go to the hardware manufacturers and ask for a share....

Think about it none of the pirates is breaking in hardware store to steal GPUs CPUs etc,....They cannot download GPUs off the net so they PAY full price for the hardware....Now think about this: An UBER PC at $2000 with 20 pirated games on it costs to the pirate just those 2 grand....A console gamer with 20 games plus the console hits like $1500 give or take....and thats just these 20 games...with 30 games its like $2100...

Now the pirate saved that $1000 the developer saw NOTHING of these money instead this money went straight to AMD/ATI-Nvidia-Intel etc....

So the software cash is being funneled to hardware...

Last Crytek instead of moaning and crying go to Nvidia and ask for a share of those GPUs that Nvidia pushed because of Crysis....

good post.blackdreamhunk

No it's not. True-Gamer_ you make it sound so easy. Making a contract that would allow for this would be a laborious undertaking and would require that both sides get something in return. Why would a hardware developer want to give out some share to the game developers? What do they get in return. People will buy hardware regardless. There is however another way that is already being utilised. I'm talking about bundles games here. In this way, both sides get something. No doubt the developers get payed for allowing their software to be bundled, and the hardware manufacturer gives another incentive to the consumer to buy their hardware.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]good post.Arsuz

No it's not. True-Gamer_ you make it sound so easy. Making a contract that would allow for this would be a laborious undertaking and would require that both sides get something in return. Why would a hardware developer want to give out some share to the game developers? What do they get in return. People will buy hardware regardless. There is however another way that is already being utilised. I'm talking about bundles games here. In this way, both sides get something. No doubt the developers get payed for allowing their software to be bundled, and the hardware manufacturer gives another incentive to the consumer to buy their hardware.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]good post.Arsuz

No it's not. True-Gamer_ you make it sound so easy. Making a contract that would allow for this would be a laborious undertaking and would require that both sides get something in return. Why would a hardware developer want to give out some share to the game developers? What do they get in return. People will buy hardware regardless. There is however another way that is already being utilised. I'm talking about bundles games here. In this way, both sides get something. No doubt the developers get payed for allowing their software to be bundled, and the hardware manufacturer gives another incentive to the consumer to buy their hardware.

Why would ANYONE in teh right mind (im talking about personal users not proffessionals) buy an 8800GT/HD4780 ? WHo needs a Quad core for Word? 4gb of RAM? Vista? See? Nvidia sold 20mil of the 8 series....I can bet that most of these sales where to gamers...most of whom just bought the hardware and not the software....

I mean cmon we all know that the constant upgrades and cutting edge graphics can only be same price as consoles if one pirates the games....

Who says they don't already get a share? Even if not in the form of a direct payment, it can be as simple as helping in the development of the engine and marketing. Many games have "nvidia- the way it's meant..." in the intro, I doubt it's there for nothing.

Besides, do we really want that?

Lets say Ati comes up with some new feature for their GPU. And Nvidia is supporting a game developer such as Crytek. There would always be a change that the new "feature" gets ignored for the wrong reasons.

Why would ANYONE in teh right mind (im talking about personal users not proffessionals) buy an 8800GT/HD4780 ? WHo needs a Quad core for Word? 4gb of RAM? Vista? See? Nvidia sold 20mil of the 8 series....I can bet that most of these sales where to gamers...most of whom just bought the hardware and not the software....

I mean cmon we all know that the constant upgrades and cutting edge graphics can only be same price as consoles if one pirates the games....

True_Gamer_

I think you're missing my point. I'm going to rephrase it: "Why would Nvidia or ATi give a share of their profits to software developers? They will sell their hardware regardless. High end games on the PC won't just magically disappear no matter what console owner would like you to believe. And if you truly think that most of the 8 series sales were to the high end users, you're delusional. The high end (8800 and upward) are probably the smallest market.

I think games like Project Offset will become more popular in the future, games were even if it doesn't sell well; the incentive to buy new hardware because of it justifies the development investment.AnnoyedDragon

Thats my point...

I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.

It I was a hardware company I wpould go to bizzard make me a game, i would found it and only sell it with my hardware. I would do what Intels is doing with project offset.

Lately we hear a lot from PC devs crying how piracy is hurting them...But instead of knocking the pirates door (who in absence of piracy wouldnt have bought the games anyway, they would simply hack a console and pirate there)....what they should do is go to the hardware manufacturers and ask for a share....

Think about it none of the pirates is breaking in hardware store to steal GPUs CPUs etc,....They cannot download GPUs off the net so they PAY full price for the hardware....Now think about this: An UBER PC at $2000 with 20 pirated games on it costs to the pirate just those 2 grand....A console gamer with 20 games plus the console hits like $1500 give or take....and thats just these 20 games...with 30 games its like $2100...

Now the pirate saved that $1000 the developer saw NOTHING of these money instead this money went straight to AMD/ATI-Nvidia-Intel etc....

So the software cash is being funneled to hardware...

Last Crytek instead of moaning and crying go to Nvidia and ask for a share of those GPUs that Nvidia pushed because of Crysis....

True_Gamer_

nvidia paided crytek money to sponsor crysis ...and they are still crying....devs just cant get enough.

I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.blackdreamhunk

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Now just thinking about if I was a hard ware company I would buy out the crysis tittle from crytek. Pay them to make the game for my hardware. lol

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.skrat_01

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.True_Gamer_

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

The majority of the people who seem to pirate have systems that lack, and do so because they are well aware many games arent going to run properly at all on their system.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.skrat_01

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

The majority of the people who seem to pirate have systems that lack, and do so because they are well aware many games arent going to run properly at all on their system.

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.skrat_01

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

The majority of the people who seem to pirate have systems that lack, and do so because they are well aware many games arent going to run properly at all on their system.

this what crytek should have done!!! doing this would kill any hopes of pirating the game. lets say if crytek would have sold the game with invidea graphics card as a package deal. The gamer is force to pay full price for the or play it on a sucky video card that can't hanle it. thus you kill all piracy.

This thread fails as i've brought stolen PC Hardware in the past(HDD / Graphics cards / RAM...). This thread fails as Xbox 360 costs £200 with HDD and £40 for a mod chip and then £1 a game afterwards.

If someone can make a profit at someone elses expense then they will.

Overall: Because you are unable to get items at 5 finger discount prices dont assume everyone else is unable to do so. Several months ago i knew of people selling Nintendo Wii's for £50 a pop off the back of a lorry. 2 years ago 2 containers went missing full of 360's. Hardware goes dissappearing all the time.

PS: I do not own a 360 so i do not have one which is modified before someone makes allegations towards me for piracy.

This thread fails as i've brought stolen PC Hardware in the past(HDD / Graphics cards / RAM...). This thread fails as Xbox 360 costs £200 with HDD and £40 for a mod chip and then £1 a game afterwards.

If someone can make a profit at someone elses expense then they will.

Overall: Because you are unable to get items at 5 finger discount prices dont assume everyone else is unable to do so. Several months ago i knew of people selling Nintendo Wii's for £50 a pop off the back of a lorry. 2 years ago 2 containers went missing full of 360's. Hardware goes dissappearing all the time.

PS: I do not own a 360 so i do not have one which is modified before someone makes allegations towards me for piracy.

Dibdibdobdobo

So youre even trying to compare physical property theft magnitude to piracy? :lol:

Well piracy just CANT and WONT finish in some countries.In some countries people dont even know that they are commiting a crime or hurting some one by buying pirated stuff !

And its true that our money makes hardware manufacturers FAT ! Just think about it ATIs and nVidias latest graphics card are around 500$$ !

Well piracy just CANT and WONT finish in some countries.In some countries people dont even know that they are commiting a crime or hurting some one by buying pirated stuff !

And its true that our money makes hardware manufacturers FAT ! Just think about it ATIs and nVidias latest graphics card are around 500$$ !

lesner87

And Nvidia/ATI are selling to both legitimate customers AND to ALL PIRATES....now thats where the money is...

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

True_Gamer_

Go figure really.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

skrat_01

Go figure really.

The risk of the machine breaking down....(which means the 360 is hazardus even more with teh RROD so its another 400 euros) Is too big....

PLus the PS3 isnt hacked yet...

As Crytek said, people are spending money on hardware to play Crysis, but not on CrysisFirstDiscovery

Thats my point if Hardware manufacturers step in (Intel with PO is a nice step) even if you download the game for free the dev will get the money through a share of hardware sale...

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]As Crytek said, people are spending money on hardware to play Crysis, but not on CrysisTrue_Gamer_

Thats my point if Hardware manufacturers step in (Intel with PO is a nice step) even if you download the game for free the dev will get the money through a share of hardware sale...

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

True_Gamer_

Go figure really.

The risk of the machine breaking down....(which means the 360 is hazardus even more with teh RROD so its another 400 euros) Is too big....

PLus the PS3 isnt hacked yet...

And with your PC you run the risk of ruining hardware, just as much as somone chipping your 360.

If either doesent work you visit the respective shop for repairs.

Really now, is it even worth debating, its the same for different platforms - certain people do invest more into certain hardware and pirate games as a result.

[QUOTE="lesner87"]

Well piracy just CANT and WONT finish in some countries.In some countries people dont even know that they are commiting a crime or hurting some one by buying pirated stuff !

And its true that our money makes hardware manufacturers FAT ! Just think about it ATIs and nVidias latest graphics card are around 500$$ !

True_Gamer_

And Nvidia/ATI are selling to both legitimate customers AND to ALL PIRATES....now thats where the money is...

Well thats loads of money ....Can only think of it !

I've always felt that developers and hardware makers are working hand in hand to make money over fist. I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a financial tie between manufacturers and companies who make the horsepower intensive games. It would explain why "optimized" code for a pc game is usually just rhetoric about why you should buy a new video card or spend more money on more hardware.

I've always felt that developers and hardware makers are working hand in hand to make money over fist. I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a financial tie between manufacturers and companies who make the horsepower intensive games. It would explain why "optimized" code for a pc game is usually just rhetoric about why you should buy a new video card or spend more money on more hardware.

Senor_Kami

Lately we hear a lot from PC devs crying how piracy is hurting them...But instead of knocking the pirates door (who in absence of piracy wouldnt have bought the games anyway, they would simply hack a console and pirate there)....what they should do is go to the hardware manufacturers and ask for a share....

Think about it none of the pirates is breaking in hardware store to steal GPUs CPUs etc,....They cannot download GPUs off the net so they PAY full price for the hardware....Now think about this: An UBER PC at $2000 with 20 pirated games on it costs to the pirate just those 2 grand....A console gamer with 20 games plus the console hits like $1500 give or take....and thats just these 20 games...with 30 games its like $2100...

Now the pirate saved that $1000 the developer saw NOTHING of these money instead this money went straight to AMD/ATI-Nvidia-Intel etc....

So the software cash is being funneled to hardware...

Last Crytek instead of moaning and crying go to Nvidia and ask for a share of those GPUs that Nvidia pushed because of Crysis....

True_Gamer_

Then we would end up living in an Mac world.

Why would GPU,CPU,Chipset, and RAM makers have to share the money they make? If it wasnt for these upgrades and risks in brand new techs everyone would still be playing the freaking atari. These companies take major risks in a highly competitive market investing hunders of millions of dollar on a product that may end up becoming a year behind and more expensive then one of the other competitors. This happened when the the Pentium 2 was releashed and they switched to a slot type CPU. They did this under the believe that they had come has far as they could with the standard socket connector cpu. AMD proved them wrong. But things can change swiftly.

AMD had to buy out ATI just to diverse the bussiness against Intel. There are like 20 GPU makers that make the same freaking boards based on Nvidia and ATI. These companies cant send a patch to fix a bad batch of compasators on the sets, game makers have EULA, if software screws up the system they dont have to eat it. Hell cpus have freaking gold connectors, with the price of gold going freaking haywire thats another major risk on not wanting to stock up on the markets needs.

If game devs screw up and dont make the money its one of a few reasons.

1.The game sucked.

2.They didnt spend enough on ads.

3.The publisher they picked sucked.

4.They did not do the required market research.

5.They have an overinflated view of how awesome they are (Silicon Knights)

6. They suck themselves.

Oh and on the pirates things? When they steal computer parts they steal them by the truckloads...Often the trucks along with them.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

skrat_01

Go figure really.

The risk of the machine breaking down....(which means the 360 is hazardus even more with teh RROD so its another 400 euros) Is too big....

PLus the PS3 isnt hacked yet...

And with your PC you run the risk of ruining hardware, just as much as somone chipping your 360.

If either doesent work you visit the respective shop for repairs.

Really now, is it even worth debating, its the same for different platforms - certain people do invest more into certain hardware and pirate games as a result.

If on the other you mod your 360, you not will MS soon enough brick it, but if it gets RROD, then itll be totally useless

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.True_Gamer_

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

The majority of the people who seem to pirate have systems that lack, and do so because they are well aware many games arent going to run properly at all on their system.

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

Well thank god theres some us paying for these games. There is only so much damn Tetris a man can play.

And these poor people who pirate games?They are not victims, just scum.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

I know people here in Greece that would quit PC gaming and switched to consoles if it wasnt for piracy...people that psend 500-600 euros on upgrades annually....

These 600 euros didnt fall from the sky...they accumulated this money by NOT BUYNG ANY GAMES....its like 5 games equals a 4870....so devs dont get the money but ATI does....

FirstDiscovery

Go figure really.

The risk of the machine breaking down....(which means the 360 is hazardus even more with teh RROD so its another 400 euros) Is too big....

PLus the PS3 isnt hacked yet...

And with your PC you run the risk of ruining hardware, just as much as somone chipping your 360.

If either doesent work you visit the respective shop for repairs.

Really now, is it even worth debating, its the same for different platforms - certain people do invest more into certain hardware and pirate games as a result.

If on the other you mod your 360, you not will MS soon enough brick it, but if it gets RROD, then itll be totally useless

Between us Ive seen a flashed 360 RROD and M$ repaired it....oh and with the copied disk inside...

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.blackdreamhunk

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

The majority of the people who seem to pirate have systems that lack, and do so because they are well aware many games arent going to run properly at all on their system.

this what crytek should have done!!! doing this would kill any hopes of pirating the game. lets say if crytek would have sold the game with invidea graphics card as a package deal. The gamer is force to pay full price for the or play it on a sucky video card that can't hanle it. thus you kill all piracy.

One problem with your theory.

Price.

A new game bundled with a GPU might be a good idea if you are a hardware manufacturer who is just desperate for sales, but most of the time they have to charge more than just a stand alone GPU, They wont want to give away free new games if the GPU is selling anyways, thats $50 in pure profit lost.

So its game developers who stand to gain the most from bundling, but only if they can get the hardware manufacturers to pay up front for it. Since I very much doubt that hardware manufacturers would just throw money away like that, that leaves little option other than what is already going on with bundling, old card that needs to be sold for some kind of $$$ + some old gane that isnt too horrible that needs to be sold for some kind of $$$ = some sales where there would most likely be no sales at all.

Also there is one other problem. Someone could buy a GPU by itself for cheaper than a bundle, and then pirate the game that was in the bundle. So how is bundling going to stop piracy again?

And finally, making a game run ONLY on a single series of card is idiotic. You could be potentially cutting yourself off from half the market. Look at AMD/ATI, they gained 20% market share in 4 months.

Suppose that nvidia cut a deal with Crytek that Warhead would only run on GTX260 or GTX280 cards. Whoops! the GTX260/280 are flops and now Warhead only gets sold 300,000 times for less money per sale than if they sold it with the ability to run on every card that was fast enough, Millions of 4800 series owners eager to test their new hardware, old 8800 series owners, new GTX owners, 9800gtx/gt/gtx+, 9600gt. HD 3800, and even some 8600/9500/7600/7800/7900/HD 2900/HD 2600/X1900/x1800/HD 4600/GTX+/ etc etc etc would all be potential buyers.

Not really, PCs are super easy to fix, and even then, piracy doesnt harm your PC at all.

If on the other you mod your 360, you not will MS soon enough brick it, but if it gets RROD, then itll be totally useless

FirstDiscovery

Between us Ive seen a flashed 360 RROD and M$ repaired it....oh and with the copied disk inside...

True_Gamer_

Wow well that is pretty bizzare.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]I would really like to see from invidea, AMD, ati and intel more pc exclusives even from big companies from bio-ware,crytek and stuff for sure.TOAO_Cyrus1

I dont beleive hardware sales = piracy though...

If you have enough to buy a new rig and hardware, chances are you have more than enough to shell out for a game.

Its not like that....in this capitalistic world money is everything so if one needed 2 grand to play Crysis and anything else at insane settings one would because the games would be free....

Now if one gets a console a 30 games it makes another 2 grand....

Most people distribute the cash not just throw it on anything...

The majority of the people who seem to pirate have systems that lack, and do so because they are well aware many games arent going to run properly at all on their system.

this what crytek should have done!!! doing this would kill any hopes of pirating the game. lets say if crytek would have sold the game with invidea graphics card as a package deal. The gamer is force to pay full price for the or play it on a sucky video card that can't hanle it. thus you kill all piracy.

One problem with your theory.

Price.

A new game bundled with a GPU might be a good idea if you are a hardware manufacturer who is just desperate for sales, but most of the time they have to charge more than just a stand alone GPU, They wont want to give away free new games if the GPU is selling anyways, thats $50 in pure profit lost.

So its game developers who stand to gain the most from bundling, but only if they can get the hardware manufacturers to pay up front for it. Since I very much doubt that hardware manufacturers would just throw money away like that, that leaves little option other than what is already going on with bundling, old card that needs to be sold for some kind of $$$ + some old gane that isnt too horrible that needs to be sold for some kind of $$$ = some sales where there would most likely be no sales at all.

Also there is one other problem. Someone could buy a GPU by itself for cheaper than a bundle, and then pirate the game that was in the bundle. So how is bundling going to stop piracy again?

And finally, making a game run ONLY on a single series of card is idiotic. You could be potentially cutting yourself off from half the market. Look at AMD/ATI, they gained 20% market share in 4 months.

Suppose that nvidia cut a deal with Crytek that Warhead would only run on GTX260 or GTX280 cards. Whoops! the GTX260/280 are flops and now Warhead only gets sold 300,000 times for less money per sale than if they sold it with the ability to run on every card that was fast enough, Millions of 4800 series owners eager to test their new hardware, old 8800 series owners, new GTX owners, 9800gtx/gt/gtx+, 9600gt. HD 3800, and even some 8600/9500/7600/7800/7900/HD 2900/HD 2600/X1900/x1800/HD 4600/GTX+/ etc etc etc would all be potential buyers.

Now people simply download games and on the saved cash buying hardware to play these very games...

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Lately we hear a lot from PC devs crying how piracy is hurting them...But instead of knocking the pirates door (who in absence of piracy wouldnt have bought the games anyway, they would simply hack a console and pirate there)....what they should do is go to the hardware manufacturers and ask for a share....

Think about it none of the pirates is breaking in hardware store to steal GPUs CPUs etc,....They cannot download GPUs off the net so they PAY full price for the hardware....Now think about this: An UBER PC at $2000 with 20 pirated games on it costs to the pirate just those 2 grand....A console gamer with 20 games plus the console hits like $1500 give or take....and thats just these 20 games...with 30 games its like $2100...

Now the pirate saved that $1000 the developer saw NOTHING of these money instead this money went straight to AMD/ATI-Nvidia-Intel etc....

So the software cash is being funneled to hardware...

Last Crytek instead of moaning and crying go to Nvidia and ask for a share of those GPUs that Nvidia pushed because of Crysis....

woobabooba

nvidia paided crytek money to sponsor crysis ...and they are still crying....devs just cant get enough.

I know! HOW DARE THEY GET MAD THAT SOMEONE IS STEALING THEIR PRODUCT? What is their problem? Those self-righteous ****!

The piracy issue is always something consoles users have been smug about, it is the only significant problem they can hold against PC as a gaming platform.

They had better hope to god piracy never gets resolved, developers may start asking inconvenient questions like "why are we letting Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo dictate what we can do in our games and take a % of all our profits?".

ID confirming what ive said in my op... http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54322

"I think that there's been this dirty little secret among hardware manufacturers, which is that the perception of free content--even if you're supposed to pay for it on PCs--is some sort hidden benefit that you get when you buy a PC, like a right to download music for free or a right to download pirated movies and games."

And all Console developers are doing is making MS and Sony's gaming divisions richer by promoting sales of the hardware of which their games are on, so what?

If you get a fairly good GPU when you make your gaming PC you don't have to upgrade it usually for around 2.5-3 years (to the point where you HAVE to upgrade it to play all the newer games on Max settings). Unless you're someone who buys a video Card every year (of which i don't know many that do this because there's not much a point unless you have an obsessive compulsive disorder) you're not contributing very much.

And all Console developers are doing is making MS and Sony's gaming divisions richer by promoting sales of the hardware of which their games are on, so what?

If you get a fairly good GPU when you make your gaming PC you don't have to upgrade it usually for around 2.5-3 years (to the point where you HAVE to upgrade it to play all the newer games on Max settings). Unless you're someone who buys a video Card every year (of which i don't know many that do this because there's not much a point unless you have an obsessive compulsive disorder) you're not contributing very much.

Puckhog04

The thing is though...that a $2000 PC + torrented games is cheaper than a $200 console +legitimate games....where do you think those $1800 are going? To software industry? Nah...

WHo needs a Quad core for Word? 4gb of RAM? Vista? See?

True_Gamer_

Wurd.

Hardware manufacturers doesn't earn nearly as much as software developers say they loose on piracy.. omgimba

Hmm...software developers sell to LEGITIMATE CUSTOMERS

Hardware manufacturers sell to LEGITIMATE CUSTOMERS + PIRATES

see?