Pc = freedom and independence

[QUOTE="devious742"]fixed :lol: btw i dont think that about consoles.. im just acting like Dc337 :P

dc337

ARMA II while demanding is rather buggy and only looks good because of the high res textures. The character models aren't that great.

Risen is a multiplat and while decent doesn't have the best graphics.

Last gen I had a gaming pc and I sure don't remember waiting every quarter for a delayed ps2 port. I also remember games like Doom 3 being designed for the pc and only being ported to the xbox as an afterthought. The Doom 3 port was actually handled by a third party since iD at the time didn't want to mess with consoles. Remember Call of Duty? How about the Battlefield games that were designed for the pc? Remember how EA used to have sports games on the pc? So yes there has been some decline from last gen.

dc337

Arma II looks amazing. Especially considering the sheer detail and scale of things - as well as the complexity of the dynamic enviroment

Shooters?

I don't see the likes of ArmA, Cryostasis or Stalker being compromised by consoles in terms of design, and I sure as hell aren't waiting for ports this gen or last. Again mind you Battlefield 3 is in development - will it be ported or not, who knows.

As far as sport goes, well you certainly have a point, however while EA drops support in one regard, independent developers end up taking up the reigns. Of course compared to console platforms its not a strength.

Risen is a multiplat and while decent doesn't have the best graphics.

dc337

[QUOTE="skrat_01"] Its not any worse than last generation.

Especially with titles like Risen and ArmA II arriving of recent.

dc337

Looks great to me

[QUOTE="naval"]thoughts : how is the PC not a landmark in gaming --- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etcbandicoot89

this thread is hilarious.

like i always say, pc is objectively better than the consoles, if you are talking purely in terms of actual capabilities. it blows everything else away. there are perks to the consoles (like ease of use) but theyre only important if youre uninformed or lazy. building a pc from the ground up is not hard, inexpensive for what it can do, and has outstanding value.

library is always debatable, but then, the pcs catalog has the greatest depth by far, along with a myriad of ways to access indie games consoles cant dream of.

I like PC but consoles will always have a place in my heart + i always like splitscreen with friends.

I like PC but consoles will always have a place in my heart + i always like splitscreen with friends.

archvile_78

I mostly meant old generation but i know in this case the topic compare PC to the current gen. xP

But yes L4D is one of the exception! haha

Risen is a multiplat and while decent doesn't have the best graphics.

dc337

Risen is multiplat right now ? You can actually play the 360 version ? I guess all the sites I saw that said TBA 2010 and Q1 2010 are wrong.

What people here don't seem to get, especially console fanboys is that a console such as PS3 or X360 are the same as a PC. The only difference is that big companies like Micro$oft and $ony like to promote consoles cause it's a locked platform which means it's a rip-off heaven for them. Average game on consoles cost £10 more than on PC. You have to pay to play online (Xbox Live). Console is a platform to rip off people and it's been doing that for ages and this generations is even worse with all the download content that you have to pay, like 3 maps is an extra £10 lol.

There is almost no difference between consoles and PC. Every new generation, consoles are becoming like PC and they add features that have been available for a long time on PC but the main difference is that consoles is a locked platform which means that companies like micro$soft can charge you £50 for a wireless adaptor, £100 for a hard-drive etc.

I agree with TC, PC = fredom and independence

What people here don't seem to get, especially console fanboys is that a console such as PS3 or X360 are the same as a PC. The only difference is that big companies like Micro$oft and $ony like to promote consoles cause it's a locked platform which means it's a rip-off heaven for them. Average game on consoles cost £10 more than on PC. You have to pay to play online (Xbox Live). Console is a platform to rip off people and it's been doing that for ages and this generations is even worse with all the download content that you have to pay, like 3 maps is an extra £10 lol.

There is almost no difference between consoles and PC. Every new generation, consoles are becoming like PC and they add features that have been available for a long time on PC but the main difference is that consoles is a locked platform which means that companies like micro$soft can charge you £50 for a wireless adaptor, £100 for a hard-drive etc.

I agree with TC, PC = fredom and independence

Mitjastiskovski

They aren't total ripoffs, you are paying for convenience.

[QUOTE="naval"]thoughts : how is the PC not a landmark in gaming --- best graphics, most highest rated game, exclusives or otherwise, most diverse, customizable etc etcbandicoot89

You sir, or severeley misinformed. There are plenty of high end gamesd out there, such as Crysis, Stalker, Stalker Clear Sky, Arma II, Operation Flashpoint, plus numerous multiplats that offer a clear and significant boost in performance, AA, AF, resolution and sometimes even offering PhysX through nvidia (Batman AA, Mirror's Edge).

Too badyou can't play games like Skate 2, Warhawk, Uncharted, Infamous, MLB09 the Show, Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Littlebigplanet, Sonic Unleashedor Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm on a PC.

Too badyou can't play games like Skate 2, Warhawk, Uncharted, Infamous, MLB09 the Show, Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Littlebigplanet, Sonic Unleashedor Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm on a PC.

GeoffZak

Too bad I can't play games like Skate 2, Warhawk, Uncharted, Infamous, MLB09 the Show, Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Littlebigplanet, Sonic Unleashedor Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm on a PC.

GeoffZak

Too bad you can't games like Stalker, Aion, Sims 3, Stalker, Stalker Clear Sky, Arma II, Empire: Total War, Cryostasis, Zeno Clash, plus upcoming games like Star Wars: The Old Republic, Stalker: Call of Pripyat.

See, it goes both ways.

They aren't total ripoffs, you are paying for convenience.

Burning-Sludge

only percieved convience

treated as a console the pc gaming experience is no less convient yet offers all the benefits of pc gaming.

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

What people here don't seem to get, especially console fanboys is that a console such as PS3 or X360 are the same as a PC. The only difference is that big companies like Micro$oft and $ony like to promote consoles cause it's a locked platform which means it's a rip-off heaven for them. Average game on consoles cost £10 more than on PC. You have to pay to play online (Xbox Live). Console is a platform to rip off people and it's been doing that for ages and this generations is even worse with all the download content that you have to pay, like 3 maps is an extra £10 lol.

There is almost no difference between consoles and PC. Every new generation, consoles are becoming like PC and they add features that have been available for a long time on PC but the main difference is that consoles is a locked platform which means that companies like micro$soft can charge you £50 for a wireless adaptor, £100 for a hard-drive etc.

I agree with TC, PC = fredom and independence

They aren't total ripoffs, you are paying for convenience.

The PS3 gives me freedom and independance from the keyboard and mouse.

The PS3 gives me freedom and independance from the keyboard and mouse.

rjxtian

Yeah, you definitely shouldn't even consider plugging your controller into your PC. I tried it once and it exploded.

And piracy is destroying the PC....good luck with that freedom and independence when no devs make enough money to make ends meet except the largest, and even they have huge problems.

Freedom isn't free, it requires rules, and laws and boundries to work, if freedom were truely free and you could do whatever you want then you'd get what the majority of the time is a cess pit of piracy like the PC is filled with....I.E people would murder and steal and do whatever they want if there truely were no boundries humans aren't like much for a moral compass.

WilliamRLBaker

LOL< WHAT!??!?!

Were talking about PC being a open platforme...

The PS3 gives me freedom and independance from the keyboard and mouse.

rjxtian

What?

Dammit!!!:x

I could be living in bliss , but I'm not!!!

Double dammit!!!!:x

:roll:

and less expensive then a equivalent pc, savagetwinkie

the whole price thing is a loaded arguement.

consoles are sold at a loss. if it werent for the companies championing them and taking the hit you would see $600-700 consoles

that and the systems may be cheaper but owning a console is mroe expensive than owning a pc for gaming yet the pc hardware will be better.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] and less expensive then a equivalent pc, washd123

the whole price thing is a loaded arguement.

consoles are sold at a loss. if it werent for the companies championing them and taking the hit you would see $600-700 consoles

that and the systems may be cheaper but owning a console is mroe expensive than owning a pc for gaming yet the pc hardware will be better.

The companies that sold video game consoles at a loss are fighting for second.

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

They aren't total ripoffs, you are paying for convenience.

washd123

only percieved convience

treated as a console the pc gaming experience is no less convient yet offers all the benefits of pc gaming.

That is true if you are a computer genius and/or have a lot of of patients.

I wouldn't call Securom freedom and independence. :|

I wouldn't call Securom freedom and independence. :|

DarkGamer007

Please, consoles are essentially giant DRM keys that restrict the players freedom. Even with DRM like Securom a PC gamer has far more control over a game than what any console allows.

Also for the record you cannot just list a type of DRM and expect it to have the same meaning across all games. Spore and Fallout 3 both use Securom, but Fallout 3 doesn't have any mandatory online authorization or a limited number of installs. It is up to the developer what they configure the DRM to do, Securom can just mean a disk check.

Everyone is going on about Pc gaming...but guess what? Pc's can do far more then gaming...lets see you use your console to add something to this topic...oh wait, your all on a comp right now...(or a cell phone :P:))

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

I wouldn't call Securom freedom and independence. :|

AnnoyedDragon

Please, consoles are essentially giant DRM keys that restrict the players freedom. Even with DRM like Securom a PC gamer has far more control over a game than what any console allows.

Also for the record you cannot just list a type of DRM and expect it to have the same meaning across all games. Spore and Fallout 3 both use Securom, but Fallout 3 doesn't have any mandatory online authorization or a limited number of installs. It is up to the developer what they configure the DRM to do, Securom can just mean a disk check.

True but still even though consoles are DRM machines, atleast you are not limited to the number of times you can instal/play it, the number of consoles you can play it on, or have to have an internet connection to play it.

Everyone is going on about Pc gaming...but guess what? Pc's can do far more then gaming...lets see you use your console to add something to this topic...oh wait, your all on a comp right now...(or a cell phone :P:))

willx10121013

Someone trying to be a smart **** will go onto their PSN browser to post here.

With the time it takes them to type out a message using a game pad; they had better hope they don't get a network error, PS3 cannot remember the content of one page back.

You gotta worry about to many things when being a pc gamer like ram,videocard, sound speakers, monitor...then you gotta worry about in game settings and all that stuff aswell. With console gaming all you gotta do is well put the game in and be ready for a nice and joyful ride. Which one sounds like a better experience?:oops:

Everyone is going on about Pc gaming...but guess what? Pc's can do far more then gaming...lets see you use your console to add something to this topic...oh wait, your all on a comp right now...(or a cell phone :P:))

willx10121013

PC is a pretty cool guy. eh can do far more than gaming and doesen't afraid of anything.:P

True but still even though consoles are DRM machines, atleast you are not limited to the number of times you can instal/play it, the number of consoles you can play it on, or have to have an internet connection to play it.

DarkGamer007

Did you actually read my post or did you just skim it?Securom doesn't always mean online authorization, you are talking about it like all PC games use that system.

You gotta worry about to many things when being a pc gamer like ram,videocard, sound speakers, monitor...then you gotta worry about in game settings and all that stuff aswell. With console gaming all you gotta do is well put the game in and be ready for a nice and joyful ride. Which one sounds like a better experience?:oops:

Santesyu

It's a trade off, sacrificing convenience for freedom.

I get to play games at 1080p with mods; and you cannot complain when your game stutters or is sub HD.

Ye it is. The only problem is that less and less games get über modded... You had games like Half Life 2, BFs, OFP:CWC, Tribes etc. witch were modded into the ground by the community. I mean in OFP:CWC one second you could be fighting with a musket, rampaging with a Leopard tank the next or driving some future mecha thing after that ... :D

I think consoles could do that, just devs and Sony/MS/Ninty dont like the idea it seems... (check out UT3, it has some limited modding on the PS3)

You gotta worry about to many things when being a pc gamer like ram,videocard, sound speakers, monitor...then you gotta worry about in game settings and all that stuff aswell. With console gaming all you gotta do is well put the game in and be ready for a nice and joyful ride. Which one sounds like a better experience?:oops:

Santesyu

< the number of consoles you can play it on

DarkGamer007

Aren't most consoles region protected?

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

I wouldn't call Securom freedom and independence. :|

AnnoyedDragon

Please, consoles are essentially giant DRM keys that restrict the players freedom. Even with DRM like Securom a PC gamer has far more control over a game than what any console allows.

Also for the record you cannot just list a type of DRM and expect it to have the same meaning across all games. Spore and Fallout 3 both use Securom, but Fallout 3 doesn't have any mandatory online authorization or a limited number of installs. It is up to the developer what they configure the DRM to do, Securom can just mean a disk check.

I have never had to register any xbox games, be required to be connected to the internet to play a game, limited to how many xbox consoles i can play a game on, or even seen a product key, ect... Please dont give the impression that the sickness pc users are currently dealing with has also infected consoles =)

[QUOTE="Santesyu"]

You gotta worry about to many things when being a pc gamer like ram,videocard, sound speakers, monitor...then you gotta worry about in game settings and all that stuff aswell. With console gaming all you gotta do is well put the game in and be ready for a nice and joyful ride. Which one sounds like a better experience?:oops:

JangoWuzHere

I have never had to register any xbox games, be required to be connected to the internet to play a game, limited to how many xbox consoles i can play a game on, or even seen a product key, ect... Please dont give the impression that the sickness pc users are currently dealing with has also infected consoles =)vikingm03

I think one thing that is stopping PC gaming from growing at a faster rate is the premade computer market. Many people like my family are so ignorant about electronics all together they very easily get fooled into the stupid ads from Dell, HP, and Alienware. They think think you need advance degrees in computer skills to put together a desktop yourself and/or they think Dell/Alienware/HP make their computers in some sort of super special awesome way that they just work better.Nerkcon

It's not their faults. In today's society, at least in America, they make you think you need an advanced degree to know anything. Then people become too lazy to look for the easiest to find information to do some of the simplest things.

I think one thing that is stopping PC gaming from growing at a faster rate is the premade computer market. Many people like my family are so ignorant about electronics all together they very easily get fooled into the stupid ads from Dell, HP, and Alienware. They think think you need advance degrees in computer skills to put together a desktop yourself and/or they think Dell/Alienware/HP make their computers in some sort of super special awesome way that they just work better.Nerkcon

Nice job!

Wow ignorance mixed with smartass hateboys/trolls is trully a powerful mix.

Atleast I see there are some that can see that there are trade offs in everything.

First of all I said unless you are a control freak didn't say you were, Secondly you need to chill out and watch the langague. Thirdly you need to pay close attention to what I say and how I say it.. I was simply comparing that console gaming is much easier then pc gaming in which in this post you agree so why argue?Santesyu