Dunno.....must have misunderstood the numbers:Pdid you really ? because id did and the numbers show mw something else ( wii version was greater in that than 360 :P) , still as i cannot provide a link its upto you to belive or not
naval
PC gamers make me sick to my stumach
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="kevy619"]So is consolesThe ratios are almost incalculable in difference. Almost not camparable.PC gaming isnt dying, its just losing alot of business to pirates.
froidnite
Doesn't matter.....3 billion $ is still a lot of money.It's teh deyeing omgz!:o
[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="mikemil828"][QUOTE="naval"]people do pirate on their consoles but the numbers so much less than on pcs. also what do you mean by console sheep? piracy is a big problem for pc devs
naval
Did I say that it wasn't a problem for PC devs? No I did not thank you very much, what I did say was that it's a much bigger problem for the consoles than their fanboys make it out to be.
i did a quick check about how much people are downloading :-
cod4 - pc is 25 times more than 360
oblivion - pc is 15 times more
it will give you some idea of how different are the numbers
I also did a quick checkFifa 08- pc almost = X360 almost = Wii:P
did you really ? because id did and the numbers show mw something else ( wii version was greater in that than 360 :P) , still as i cannot provide a link its upto you to belive or not
Well duh, there is probably like what? Dozens of different torrents for each of the two versions across many different websites, it would be perfectly easy to find two torrents with similar numbers and two torrents with a major difference, that's why your argument is moot, a 'quick check' certainly isn't enough to get a good feel on the difference on how much the different versions are being pirated.
[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="kevy619"]So is consolesThe ratios are almost incalculable in difference. Almost not camparable.PC gaming isnt dying, its just losing alot of business to pirates.
smokeydabear076
Doesn't matter.....3 billion $ is still a lot of money.It's teh deyeing omgz!:oOh noes....It'l b dead by teh 20o9.....:cry:
Well duh, there is probably like what? Dozens of different torrents for each of the two versions across many different websites, it would be perfectly easy to find two torrents with similar numbers and two torrents with a major difference, that's why your argument is moot, a 'quick glance' certainly isn't enough to get a good feel on the difference on how much the different versions are being pirated.
mikemil828
i sorted the torrents then after 10 pc ones there was 1 wii and little below that 1 ps2 and little below that 1 360. the ratios i gace were for the highest pc vs higest 360 (there were many pc ones besides that and only few 360 ones)
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6443/pirate2he4.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8549/pirate3gm4.jpg
And thats just on the crappy public sites that I know about. I am sure on the private sharing scenes, the amount is just as large or larger.
Is anyone else thinking what im thinking? One of the reasons PC pirating is bigger, is maybe... drum roll... PC gaming is larger and more popular than console gaming?
[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="kevy619"]So is consolesThe ratios are almost incalculable in difference. Almost not camparable.PC gaming isnt dying, its just losing alot of business to pirates.
Spartan070
Also you have to take into account the fact that development on PC is generally cheaper than it is on consoles
So you checked one site, whoop de do. You do know there are many different torrent sites out there, not to mention usenet, and who knows how many copies are being downloaded from there, how can you say with certainty that the PC version is pirated all that much more than it's console counterpart?
mikemil828
i took only one site becuase that's the only one i know (please don't take me an expert on this). on something more complicated than torrents, pc ratios are gonna be even more higher imo.
I know a person who lives in Argentina who cannot get games until months after they are released, Even then they are ridiculously expensive compared to his income. So he has turned to downloading. Same thing with other people I know in South Africa, Iceland, Pakistan and Vietnam. Its only a small sample, but its an indication of the real situation.
I'm not saying its right for them to download games, I'm saying that people's situations are often not perfect. What else can they do? Not playing video games is an option, but thats pretty hard to ask.
PC games are pirated a lot more, but you gotta also remember that there are lot more PC gamers than for e.g. 360 gamers. Even if 90% of PC gamers were pirates it would still leave more PC gamers who are not pirates than any single console has.
Piracy is a problem, but good games sell even without pain in the ass copy protections. Also what contributes to PC game piracy vs the consoles, is the fact that people with old PCs don't really feel like paying for something that is likely to run like crap, I bet half the people downloading something like for e.g. Bioshock have sub-par PC which isn't even gonna run the game on medium. For them it's just "like what the hell, why not give it a shot", and they play it for 30minutes before deleting it, they aren't real gamers and they never really had an intention of bying it anyway. Piracy is the scapegoat for developers pushing out poorly optimized console ports, rehashes and other crap games.
[QUOTE="mikemil828"]So you checked one site, whoop de do. You do know there are many different torrent sites out there, not to mention usenet, and who knows how many copies are being downloaded from there, how can you say with certainty that the PC version is pirated all that much more than it's console counterpart?
naval
i took only one site becuase that's the only one i know (please don't take me an expert on this). on something more complicated than torrents, pc ratios are gonna be even more higher imo.
Not nessessarily, as was said before, Console pirating is a bit more involved hardware wise than PC Pirating, and most likely if folks are able to mod a console, they probably know how to use 'more complicated' solutions to getting games other than torrents.
[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="mikemil828"]So you checked one site, whoop de do. You do know there are many different torrent sites out there, not to mention usenet, and who knows how many copies are being downloaded from there, how can you say with certainty that the PC version is pirated all that much more than it's console counterpart?
mikemil828
i took only one site becuase that's the only one i know (please don't take me an expert on this). on something more complicated than torrents, pc ratios are gonna be even more higher imo.
Not nessessarily, as was said before, Console pirating is a bit more involved hardware wise than PC Pirating, and most likely if folks are able to mod a console, they probably know how to use 'more complicated' solutions to getting games other than torrents.
well both stuff require different type of knowledge,but you may be correct. i sadly don't know how to check out those :P
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/24/italian_court_rules_mod_chips/
This is a possible doomsday for the 360 and its regionlocking games...
I dont know if there has been already a case on this for the 360 but Sony made a VERY smart move making PS3 region free...
On the topic: Console games and espessially 360 games are the easiest and SAFEST way of piracy...Just rent and copy games without any risks of being caught...while downloading games may end you up in jail...
thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
wiidominance
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
[QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
True_Gamer_
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
Are you so sure ? aren't tempted to play Crysis on maximum High ? I know i am ...
besides, if you are a long time pirate, just like I used to be, It will be hard for you in the beginning, but when you realize that you actually ripping people off when you download games, you will come to understand and believe the buying the originals is always the way to go.
at any-rate, most people won't have time to play many games, so maybe 10 games or so a year, a lot of people can afford 10 games a year (original)
At the very least, download c**** games, but don't freaking download Crysis or bioshock, these are the games to buy because they are worth your money.
I noticed this to be a grwoing trend, people will play pirated games, but when it comes to serious games, they will buy them instead.
PEACE^^
A quick look at a couple private sites lists the following:
COD4 PC D/L - 13,485
COD4 X360 D/L - 10,579
Assasins Creed D/L - 7,987
Crysis D/L - 4,314
Its 100% rediculous to think in any way that PC games are pirated more then console games. They arent. The sad reality is the 360 is pirated rampantly all over the world. Those numbers are people downloading games at this second, you can imagine for all systems those numbers get very high in the course of a year or so.
lol compare that to the ps2, plus where have you got those numbers from? GTA San Andreas just broke the 20 million sold mark.
kevy619
SIMS outsold even GTA SA :) Still..generaly PCgames sell less, on the other hand publishers make much more money of one copy of pcgame sold than from copy of console game. No fees to console manufacturer, much smaller development costs and about ten times smaller marketing costs make it preety nice market . Why do you think every single big console publisher started to invest in pcgaming in last couple years?
Actually here in India the games are very cheap. I paid $20 for the orange box :DHardware is pretty expensive though. I paid $400 for a 8800gts 320mb :(I know a person who lives in Argentina who cannot get games until months after they are released, Even then they are ridiculously expensive compared to his income. So he has turned to downloading. Same thing with other people I know in South Africa, Iceland, Pakistan and Vietnam. Its only a small sample, but its an indication of the real situation.
I'm not saying its right for them to download games, I'm saying that people's situations are often not perfect. What else can they do? Not playing video games is an option, but thats pretty hard to ask.
Wartzay
Oh and in developing countries like mine, piracy of console games is much much more than pc games because original console games cost $70 and getting pirated copies off the street for console games is too easy.
[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
wiidominance
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
Are you so sure ? aren't tempted to play Crysis on maximum High ? I know i am ...
besides, if you are a long time pirate, just like I used to be, It will be hard for you in the beginning, but when you realize that you actually ripping people off when you download games, you will come to understand and believe the buying the originals is always the way to go.
at any-rate, most people won't have time to play many games, so maybe 10 games or so a year, a lot of people can afford 10 games a year (original)
At the very least, download c**** games, but don't freaking download Crysis or bioshock, these are the games to buy because they are worth your money.
I noticed this to be a grwoing trend, people will play pirated games, but when it comes to serious games, they will buy them instead.
PEACE^^
Thats the notion in western world...In the eastern/southeastern Europe eg. people have a VERY strong anticapitalist sentiment...They view the publishers as capitalistic exploiting bennemoths (which in case of EA are because they treat developers in some cases like slaves) that if dont eat chaviar and drink champaigne on bit wont miss much...
Anyway piracy is a very strong force behind hardware industry millions of dollars are funneled towards hardware that should have been going to software...I know several people in Greece where Im from that are able to afford 2000 euros monster machines and yearly upgrades just because of 0 cash spent on software...
[QUOTE="mikemil828"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="drnick7"]Believe me, if it was as easy to illegally obtain games for consoles as it is for PC, just as many console gamers would be doing it. That being said, many of us PC gamers, believe it or not, have to ability to refrain from illegally downloading games. whocares9
exaclty ! if it was as easy on console then pricay could be as rampant as pc or even more. if console gamers were as honest as tc thinks then the consoles wouldn't have all those drm checks and stuff , right? seriously its human nature or poverty that should make the tc sick in the stomach.
also just see witcher - no online, not from a big dev so people cpuld have had doubts, censored version in us - this game has a good chance of being pirated, but it sold 1 million in 3 weeks or so. this just shows many people do buy games
http://nforce.nl/
This site lists (but does not give links so relax) all the major releases from the various pirating groups, and you can see there is plenty of releases for every console except the wii, the ps3, and the ds. Easy to pirate? I think so.
No one really does that. Takes to much to change around your console. Remember that console gamers are pretty much casuals in the first place. They just want to "pop" in the game and play. They will buy it. Downloading pirate software for the PC is just a couple clicks aways.
Excuse me, but you can easly buy new modded consoles for the same price as a new non moded console, all over Europe and I guess it's the same over on the US soil and allover the world. I guess it's just what you want. I have more online stores here that sell moded stuff as stores who sell the original package.
[QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
True_Gamer_
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
nobody puts modchips in xbox 360s.
I've been PC gaming since the Commodore 64 and I have never installed an illegally obtained game. I don't know where people get it from that all PC gamers are pirates. Myself and all my friends (who are all PC Gamers) buy our games. We have jobs.And if you say that you are a PC gamer you must have played at least one downloaded game!!
NathanDrake
[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
kevy619
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
nobody puts modchips in xbox 360s.
Yes, and the Sun is actually a lightbulb.
[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
kevy619
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
nobody puts modchips in xbox 360s.
yes they do. thats how people play their pirated games. and thats why MS has banned them from LIVE.
shame on you hermit and tell me after that pc gaming is not dying this is why crytek will make crysis possible on console :lol:legol1We still have the most announced exclusives, annually released high quality titles, and significant salse. PC gaming isn't dying anytime soon, and as a console game you better hope to god it doesn't.
[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
exiledsnake
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
nobody puts modchips in xbox 360s.
yes they do. thats how people play their pirated games. and thats why MS has banned them from LIVE.
no its not, people use a different method.
$60 is way too much for a game. If games were $20, I would buy them more often. darkmario123
thats what I am trying to say people .. actually I think if it was more of 10 dollars, would buy game on a basis of KGs and not Units, lol.
To everyone and you, you should check my topic in system wars talking about exactly that, put your vote there,
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26036188
With top games like Crysis taking several years to develop at cost upwards of $20m let alone the marketing costs and teams of dozens and dozens of people, how much do people expect games to cost that will allow the developer/publisher to be able to make Crysis 2 and other new games.
[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="wiidominance"]thats a completely false argument, are you telling me that all people who download the games cannot afford it ?? I don't think so. And what heck is all the brand awareness C*** all about ? If thats true, how do gamers download a game that they know nothing about in the first place ? Besides, I don't think that these high profile games are in any shortage of awareness, every single serious PC gamers has heard of Crysis at least once, if not, they will recognize Farcry and therefore they will recognize Crysis,
your excuses don't even make up for a half decent joke .. sorry, no offence intended, but socio-economic reasons ???!?!? don't make me laugh ...
how on earth would someone be able to afford a huge rig to play crysis on, but can't afford to buy the game for 50 bucks ??
keep it real ... keep it real ...
all you're saying there is for self justification reasons ONLY.
end of discussion
PEACE^^
exiledsnake
If they are forced to buy original games they wont upgrade and even sease to be PC gamers...They will just get a Xbox360 install a modchip and download games...
nobody puts modchips in xbox 360s.
yes they do. thats how people play their pirated games. and thats why MS has banned them from LIVE.
Playing burned 360 games does NOT require a modchip, and is currently undetectable by M$.
And you know what makes me sick??? That they charge $50 for new PC games and $65 for New PS3/Xbox360 games. If they where cheaper don't you think that most people who download them would buy the original copy insted?? I surly think so!
But Piracy is something you can't go around....there are too many people in it. How was Crysis leaked??? Someone who works there did it....so don't blame the people who download it.....blame the people who put it on the server.
If they put someting in front of you and they say is free you will refuse to take it???
Be honest....you would download it too if you know how.
Unless you are ultrarich!!
And if you say that you are a PC gamer you must have played at least one downloaded game!!
NathanDrake
could of been hacked out.
Like Half Life 2.
Well that's how it goes, people spend fortunes in their rigs but are often unwilling to pay for games. EntwineX
That is so true. Then they complain when developers shift attention to consoles that sells millions of software. Anyone that thinks console piracy is on the same level as PC piracy doesn't have a clue. Why do you think The Sims and Warcraft has remained the top sellers up to this day. Even the online gaming community isn't as big as it should be.
[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Well that's how it goes, people spend fortunes in their rigs but are often unwilling to pay for games. Deihmos
That is so true. Then they complain when developers shift attention to consoles that sells millions of software. Anyone that thinks console piracy is on the same level as PC piracy doesn't have a clue. Why do you think The Sims and Warcraft has remained the top sellers up to this day. Even the online gaming community isn't as big as it should be.
That's speculation and I will tell you why games like WoW, Sims are on top of the sales. Because those games are constantly evolving. You get game updates users can actually see with almost every WoW patch, then they got already an expansion out "The Burning Crusade", actually the game you play is evolving, it's constantly something new and people are willing to pay for this. The same goes for Sims, how many expansion packs has the game about 20? I really never played any Sims games, but afaik the publisher does a nice job keeping the fans happy with constant updates and new stuff, people dig this.
Aside of that, those two games have a community, which works almost as the world around you (to many peoples dismay), I do not agree with this, but people really get into this virutal world stuff.
Besides most other games, if you want to go online, you need to have the original. Games without frequent updates just get boring, ok I'm a huge Quake fan, and I still play QuakeWorld and Quake 3 to this day, but there's very little other games I play this long just because I'm bored with the lack of content. I can't play the same maps for 10 years, while I can play World of Warcraft for 10 years, because there's always something new to do and I'm willing to pay for this.
For example Bioshock is the epitome "must priate" game. It has only single player and no additional value. Once you played the game through you're done with it for 5 years, or maybe you play it once more to see a different ending and that's it. The moral part is, does this 6 hour experience justifies the $60 price tag? In my opinion no, I bought the game however and am already regreting it. It has no value to me anymore once I finished it - the box is collecting dust now for the next time I will want to play. If they would add multiplayer to Bioshock, it would have some replayability value.
Imho a new system is in need, something like pay per view/pay per game. I would gladly pay $5-10 for a time limited version of the full game. Let's say $5 and you can play the game for one week. If I think the game is interesting and a must have, I go and buy the normal version without any limits for $50-60.
I know you need the keys to go online and that is why the online communities are never that big especially when you compare to something like Halo 3 with over 200,000 playing at a time. The most popular PC shooter is a mod that came out in 1999. According to gamespy global stats there are 228,000 online playing right now and there are a lot of games that use the gamespy browser. There are more people playing Halo 3 than all the most popular PC games excluding WOW. I wonder whyDeihmosThats not true whatsoever. Any game you go online for the PC has a bustling community. You can play games from 1992 and it will still have a significantly large ammount of people playing. COD4 and Quakre Wars, two of the most recent shooters have extremely large communities. PS: Gamespy isn't a good indicated.
[QUOTE="Deihmos"]I know you need the keys to go online and that is why the online communities are never that big especially when you compare to something like Halo 3 with over 200,000 playing at a time. The most popular PC shooter is a mod that came out in 1999. According to gamespy global stats there are 228,000 online playing right now and there are a lot of games that use the gamespy browser. There are more people playing Halo 3 than all the most popular PC games excluding WOW. I wonder whyVandalvideoThats not true whatsoever. Any game you go online for the PC has a bustling community. You can play games from 1992 and it will still have a significantly large ammount of people playing. COD4 and Quakre Wars, two of the most recent shooters have extremely large communities. PS: Gamespy isn't a good indicated.
Gamespy tracks the games that use the browser and it's accurate and updates frequesntly. It's also worldwide stats. Here is the site http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ There are some games that don't use gamespy so they wouldn't show up. I didn't say the community is small but when you compareit to something like Halo3 it does seem small. ETQW just launched andit wasn't untiluntil they bundled the game with video cardsdid the player count increase.Does piracy contribute to this? I don't know.
Thats not true whatsoever. Any game you go online for the PC has a bustling community. You can play games from 1992 and it will still have a significantly large ammount of people playing. COD4 and Quakre Wars, two of the most recent shooters have extremely large communities. PS: Gamespy isn't a good indicated.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]I know you need the keys to go online and that is why the online communities are never that big especially when you compare to something like Halo 3 with over 200,000 playing at a time. The most popular PC shooter is a mod that came out in 1999. According to gamespy global stats there are 228,000 online playing right now and there are a lot of games that use the gamespy browser. There are more people playing Halo 3 than all the most popular PC games excluding WOW. I wonder whyDeihmos
Gamespy tracks the games that usethe browser and it's accurate and updates frequesntly. It's also worldwide stats. Here is the site http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ There are some games that don't use gamespy so they wouldn't show up.
Games that use the browser, thats really important. Not every game does that. However, keep in mind PC gaming online and console gaming online are two very seperate entities. WIth xbox live, you try going back to play a game like SOF2 and its a flippin ghost town, NO ONE is playing it. Most of the community moves on to the latest and greatest thing, and you have to go along for the ride. With PC gaming, thats not how it works. You can play Medal of Honor Allied Assault, Vanilla COD, Quake 3 Arena, whatever you bloody well want to play and you can expect to find a significantly large ammount of people playing any given game at any given time. What this shows is that its not because of PIRACY that theres a relatively smaller community for each individual game on the PC, no no no young bucky. What it DOES show is that PC online is NOTHING like console online, and that we don't move along to the next best thing. However, there is still a substantially large ammount of people playing COD4 online right now, atleast 100K from a rough headcount, and thats not including PUGS and scrimms.[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Thats not true whatsoever. Any game you go online for the PC has a bustling community. You can play games from 1992 and it will still have a significantly large ammount of people playing. COD4 and Quakre Wars, two of the most recent shooters have extremely large communities. PS: Gamespy isn't a good indicated.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]I know you need the keys to go online and that is why the online communities are never that big especially when you compare to something like Halo 3 with over 200,000 playing at a time. The most popular PC shooter is a mod that came out in 1999. According to gamespy global stats there are 228,000 online playing right now and there are a lot of games that use the gamespy browser. There are more people playing Halo 3 than all the most popular PC games excluding WOW. I wonder whyVandalvideo
Gamespy tracks the games that usethe browser and it's accurate and updates frequesntly. It's also worldwide stats. Here is the site http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ There are some games that don't use gamespy so they wouldn't show up.
Games that use the browser, thats really important. Not every game does that. However, keep in mind PC gaming online and console gaming online are two very seperate entities. WIth xbox live, you try going back to play a game like SOF2 and its a flippin ghost town, NO ONE is playing it. Most of the community moves on to the latest and greatest thing, and you have to go along for the ride. With PC gaming, thats not how it works. You can play Medal of Honor Allied Assault, Vanilla COD, Quake 3 Arena, whatever you bloody well want to play and you can expect to find a significantly large ammount of people playing any given game at any given time. What this shows is that its not because of PIRACY that theres a relatively smaller community for each individual game on the PC, no no no young bucky. What it DOES show is that PC online is NOTHING like console online, and that we don't move along to the next best thing. However, there is still a substantially large ammount of people playing COD4 online right now, atleast 100K from a rough headcount, and thats not including PUGS and scrimms.100K is wayyy too much for a single region and I am sure there are more playing it on xbox than PC.
I know you need the keys to go online and that is why the online communities are never that big especially when you compare to something like Halo 3 with over 200,000 - 1 millionplaying at a time. The most popular PC shooter is a mod that came out in 1999. According to gamespy global stats there are 228,000 online playing right now and there are a lot of games that use the gamespy browser. There are more people playing Halo 3 than all the most popular PC games excluding WOW. I wonder whyDeihmos
you might as well say excluding mmos.
I am sure there are more playing it on xbox than PC. DeihmosWhich is something you'd be hardpressed to prove in the first place. Never-the-less, the difference between 100K and 200K is finite for the individual player. It does not impact your gameplay if 100K people are playing, 60K people are playing, or 200K people are playing. I already explained the reasons, and its not because of piracy.
don't get me wrong, Iam a PCgamer in heart ( if you look @ my Xfire, you only see arround 10% of the games I played, since I never use Xfire)
but, Crysis have been leaked, and all you see on the Crysis board is that everybody is saying how far they are with downloading it
really makes me sad
I know Console games can be downloaded to, but not in the numbers of PC gaming
whoody12
I remember when Halo 2 was leaked and people were playing it on hacked xbox's.
It has nothing to do with a person platform of choice. There are just a lot of sad people out there that think they deserve things like a video game for free. They rationalize their behavior for who knows what reasons, they are just chumps.
[QUOTE="whoody12"]don't get me wrong, Iam a PCgamer in heart ( if you look @ my Xfire, you only see arround 10% of the games I played, since I never use Xfire)
but, Crysis have been leaked, and all you see on the Crysis board is that everybody is saying how far they are with downloading it
really makes me sad
I know Console games can be downloaded to, but not in the numbers of PC gaming
Coyo7e
I remember when Halo 2 was leaked and people were playing it on hacked xbox's.
It has nothing to do with a person platform of choice. There are just a lot of sad people out there that think they deserve things like a video game for free. They rationalize their behavior for who knows what reasons, they are just chumps.
There are people you know out there that hate capitalism...
one question can pirated games on the pc be played online.papageorgio22
No, you need an original CD Key for that, however using a mixture of programs you could play any game's campaign/single player - and that includes Sony's infuriating SecureRom.
Look at Valve, they got it right with Steam. Granted Valve sh!ts out nuggets of gold everytime they release a game, so it's worth it to buy it. But if companies banded together, or hell even askedValve if they could use their program, they could make sure that games are totally unaccessable without a program like Steam.
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