PC gaming FTW? - GeOW related

Is the upcoming GeOW a prime example of why PC gaming should be considered as the best overall system to own? I feel True gamers will realise that all platforms are great, however a PC should be your primary system!

Alot of people aremoaning about gears on the PC is out of order because it is coming with more features:

-A MAP MAKING ABILITY - there will soon be a gazllion user made maps, 5 NEW CHAPTERS, A DIFFERENT GAMEMODE, THE ABILITY TO MOD THE GAME - ie; some clever bugger will release a mod with huge maps and the ability to drive in cars to kill your foes with guns mounted, BETTER GRAPHICS due to AA,AF, and higher resolutions, and many many more advantages over the 360 version.

Mind you i own the 360 version, but i also own a gaming PC, now would be a good time to realise why true gamers understand that PC gaming cannot be beating...also that a console should be a secondary gaming system, not your primary one. IMHO.

Discuss?

I like doing my taxes on my PCNeal_Gore

Is the upcoming GeOW a prime example of why PC gaming should be considered as the best overall system to own? I feel True gamers will realise that all platforms are great, however a PC should be your primary system!

Alot of people aremoaning about gears on the PC is out of order because it is coming with more features:

-A MAP MAKING ABILITY - there will soon be a gazllion user made maps, 5 NEW CHAPTERS, A DIFFERENT GAMEMODE, THE ABILITY TO MOD THE GAME - ie; some clever bugger will release a mod with huge maps and the ability to drive in cars to kill your foes with guns mounted, BETTER GRAPHICS due to AA,AF, and higher resolutions, and many many more advantages over the 360 version.

Mind you i own the 360 version, but i also own a gaming PC, now would be a good time to realise why true gamers understand that PC gaming cannot be beating...also that a console should be a secondary gaming system, not your primary one. IMHO.

Discuss?

anandram

PC GAMING>>ALL

I agree. Like you I have Gears of War on the Xbox 360, but with all of this new stuff coming to it, mainly the editor, it is definitely going to be worth a purchase (unless it is a crappy port). I can see it now, a mod that lets you kill endless hordes of locusts until you die fall victim to the ever increasing difficulty.smokeydabear076

oh man, like killing floor mod for Unreal. Endless hordes of locusts, they get harder and bigger as the levels progress...with like 20 levels!

Oh wait thats exactly what you said :?

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I agree. Like you I have Gears of War on the Xbox 360, but with all of this new stuff coming to it, mainly the editor, it is definitely going to be worth a purchase (unless it is a crappy port). I can see it now, a mod that lets you kill endless hordes of locusts until you die fall victim to the ever increasing difficulty.anandram

oh man, like killing floor mod for Unreal. Endless hordes of locusts, they get harder and bigger as the levels progress...with like 20 levels!

Oh wait thats exactly what you said :?

Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.rexoverbey

They delay it a year, to release it on the "mainstream" platforms first, that doesnt make consoles BETTER though does it? ...i thought that may have been obvious:?

Consoles will never get mods and a map editor because how can i put this without making console gamers sound dumb.....i know i generalise but console gamers will never have those options...NEVER.

Im not saying pcs should or will become mainstream but thats because half the friggin population dont know how to use MS word, let alone how to utilise/comprehend how effective/immersive and more flexible pc gaming is. Its like BUY A CONSOLE-PLUG IT IN-PLAY. PC's have never been like that, nor should they be for the true gamers out there that understand.

I agree with TC, PC is ye best :P

I'm just happy that I can play Gears (and Viva Pinata) without spending $400...Funkyhamster

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]

Consoles will never get mods and a map editor because how can i put this without making console gamers sound dumb.....i know i generalise but console gamers will never have those options...NEVER.

Im not saying pcs should or will become mainstream but thats because half the friggin population dont know how to use MS word, let alone how to utilise/comprehend how effective/immersive and more flexible pc gaming is. Its like BUY A CONSOLE-PLUG IT IN-PLAY. PC's have never been like that, nor should they be for the true gamers out there that understand.

anandram

PS3 will get mods and mouse/kb support for Unreal, although I'm sure the mods will come from the PC community. A game like Little Big Planet has a map editor built in as a major selling point.

The problem with PC's are that they end up being expensive. The start up isn't so bad, but when you have to switch over to Vista just Microsoft says it's needed things get costly.

Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.rexoverbey

Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.rexoverbey

PC gaming is already more mainstream than consoles though. And all those things did make Halo 2 a better game, it's just that the PC standards, as well as the 2007 standards of gaming, made Halo 2 look tired.

I don't see how mods can be a valid argument in SW.chutup

Quite easily. They extend the value of software and sometimes even help spawn new software. They are a huge advantage to games which support them.

They are cheap, chutup

Correction, they are free.

amateurishchutup

Some of them, yes. But not all of them. There's a hardcore crowd of modders for nearly every PC game who know what their doing, and as gamers,

and the vast majority of them are terrible. chutup

I'll look aside your stereotyping of mods here (calling the vast majority terrible without any sort of basis) and say, so what?

The vast majority of PS2 games are terrible, doesn't mean there aren't heaps of great ones. Seriously, if say, of every 300 mods, I can pick up 30 which are great, it's not cost me anything, and adds immensely to gaming.

PS3 will get mods and mouse/kb support for Unreal, although I'm sure the mods will come from the PC community. A game like Little Big Planet has a map editor built in as a major selling point.The problem with PC's are that they end up being expensive. The start up isn't so bad, but when you have to switch over to Vista just Microsoft says it's needed things get costly. nnavidson

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.Danm_999

PC gaming is already more mainstream than consoles though.

" Bu bu buh teh Marketing says console is teh cool :cry:"

I don't see how mods can be a valid argument in SW. They are cheap, amateurish and the vast majority of them are terrible. chutup

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]PS3 will get mods and mouse/kb support for Unreal, although I'm sure the mods will come from the PC community. A game like Little Big Planet has a map editor built in as a major selling point.The problem with PC's are that they end up being expensive. The start up isn't so bad, but when you have to switch over to Vista just Microsoft says it's needed things get costly. Vandalvideo

The thing about the mod community is I don't have the talent to make something worthwhile. The same is true with many PC players. I figured people make mods because they want people to be impressed with what they've accomplished. i would assume the mod community would gladly expand the people who saw their material if they were able.

As far as Vista... What if you want to play Halo 2?

The thing about the mod community is I don't have the talent to make something worthwhile. The same is true with many PC players. I figured people make mods because they want people to be impressed with what they've accomplished. i would assume the mod community would gladly expand the people who saw their material if they were able.As far as Vista... What if you want to play Halo 2?nnavidson

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]The thing about the mod community is I don't have the talent to make something worthwhile. The same is true with many PC players. I figured people make mods because they want people to be impressed with what they've accomplished. i would assume the mod community would gladly expand the people who saw their material if they were able.As far as Vista... What if you want to play Halo 2?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]The thing about the mod community is I don't have the talent to make something worthwhile. The same is true with many PC players. I figured people make mods because they want people to be impressed with what they've accomplished. i would assume the mod community would gladly expand the people who saw their material if they were able.As far as Vista... What if you want to play Halo 2?Vandalvideo

Ok, I guess I mistook the mod community then.

When a writer writes, he writes for everyone, not just other writers.

When an artist completes art, they show it to everyone.

A musician will show off his final work to everyone, not just other musicians.

The same is true with filmmakers.

Granted creative people will only share things within their own community until it's completed, but then end goal is to show it off.

As far as Vista, what about Gears or Viva?

As far as Vista, what about Gears or Viva?nnavidson

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nnavidson"]The thing about the mod community is I don't have the talent to make something worthwhile. The same is true with many PC players. I figured people make mods because they want people to be impressed with what they've accomplished. i would assume the mod community would gladly expand the people who saw their material if they were able.As far as Vista... What if you want to play Halo 2?Greyhound222

I posted the two PS3 examples in response to consoles will never get mods or map makers.

The problem with mods is a lot of the awesome ones involve some sort of copyright infringement that would mean the original developer has to ignore their existance. I'm not sure how it would work when consoles seem to have closed services, We'll see I guess.

The thing is, why would PC Modders, bother *Limiting* thier mods to the hardware of the PS3 ... its not going to be a ssimple as make something, then port it over, you have to follow a strict guide-line in order for it to run properly on the PS3 ... why would modders waste thier time seriously?Meu2k7

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]As far as Vista, what about Gears or Viva?Vandalvideo

Oh... I didn't mean to come off as "my system crushes yours." When I see Crysis I drool. The problem is I don't want to have to worry about how well a game is optomized for my set up. I want to see the label, put it in, and know I'm getting the exact experience the developers knew I was going to get.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"] We do like to show our work, but the second someone acts all high and mighty then I'm not going to share it to them. if someone says, "Thanks for your hard work noob, my system is teh bettorz!" you can bet your sweet *** I won't give them jack.Vandalvideo

More realistically you'd get thousands of people going, Wow this map was awesome, someone comes in and says, did you know that was actually user made, and you get an explosion of, "Wow, I wish I could do that." Of that explosion some might actually invest in a PC and start making mods of their own to get a similar reaction.

It just seems lik there should be a nice flow.

Official developers are considered pro, PC gamers/modders are considered at a semi pro, and console users are the audience.

Ok firstly, all this talk about mods being poo etc etc...W......T.....F.

Have you played some of the mods out there for HL2/Unreal/GTA/oblivion/stalker??? Im guessing not, theres like 30 easily for HL2 that are FREE, some of which have made themselves into standalones...so again.....WTF? They have more of a booming community than some retailed marketed games!! THis CANNOT be your basis of an argument because the evidence against you is enough to make you cry uncle.

The quality of PS3 mods are and will not be in the same league as PC mods, PC modders originate from PC's ...duh... and PS3 modders in the bulk will have to be PC enthusiasts because lets be honest about the console communnity shall we...:? no offense :) My point is, unless they really really want to, i dont see PC users getting their hands dirty over a system that they probably dont own and would care to concentrate their time on, im sure they would rather spend their time modding PC games....because thats the system of choice for them in the 1st instance.

At the end of the day, it prooves a valid point about the PC community if from what you said was true nnavidson, this being PS3 modders would be vastly PC users/modders, so what does this say to you about PC gaming/community? To me it says alot.

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

Of course PC gaming is the best. You have the largest selection of games ever, free online, powerful hardware, tons of demos, cheaper games, wide variety of controllers, Editing tools and programming tools.

The only problem is that some of the best games out there are for consoles only.

Oh and gears is XP and Vista FYI :)anandram

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

MyopicCanadian

I used to do a bit of modding (nothing big like total conversions, but small levels/tweaks here and there), and I have to tell you it takes time and effort to create good mods.

The problem I see with console modding is that I think it can be very restrictive in what you can create. For example would sony insist that your mods be tested to make sure that the contents are suitable for the game you are making the mod for? For example will sony check to make sure that a mod for a game rated 15 does not have any content that would be rated 18? Also there is the matter of rights/character infringements.

Right now consoles are just too tightly under the control of their respective companies and that will probably mean they will have lots of rules and regulations that is going to tie the hands of mod creators on what they can and cant do. I dont think there will be a lot of mod creators that will go over to PS3 when they get much more freedom and is much easier to create mods on PCs.

Ok firstly, all this talk about mods being poo etc etc...W......T.....F.

I never said they were bad! Show me where I said they were.

Have you played some of the mods out there for HL2/Unreal/GTA/oblivion/stalker??? Im guessing not, theres like 30 easily for HL2 that are FREE, some of which have made themselves into standalones...so again.....WTF? They have more of a booming community than some retailed marketed games!! THis CANNOT be your basis of an argument because the evidence against you is enough to make you cry uncle.

Why would the most talented modders want to not expand their audience? It was huge popularity that broughtmoney to Counter Strike developers.

The quality of PS3 mods are and will not be in the same league as PC mods, PC modders originate from PC's ...duh... and PS3 modders in the bulk will have to be PC enthusiasts because lets be honest about the console communnity shall we...:? no offense :) My point is, unless they really really want to, i dont see PC users getting their hands dirty over a system that they probably dont own and would care to concentrate their time on, im sure they would rather spend their time modding PC games....because thats the system of choice for them in the 1st instance.

I guess I'm differentiating between 'I mod things because it's fun to mess around with' and 'I mod because I want to eventually be a professional game designer.'

At the end of the day, it prooves a valid point about the PC community if from what you said was true nnavidson, this being PS3 modders would be vastly PC users/modders, so what does this say to you about PC gaming/community? To me it says alot.

I think it's clear as seen by the popularity of FPS that PC owners drive the video game market. They're basically early adopters which means that they're the true die hards of gaming. I know this is system wars and we're not supposed to talk intelligently, but all gamers should respect the PC even if they think it;s too much investment for them at the time.

anandram

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

MyopicCanadian

Have you not noticed the huge fanbase that gears has? its not about a year old game, its about the ability to be able to prolong that enjoyment...in YOUR OWN WAY....think of your fav game on console....now think it comes to PC, you have it in the friggn palm of your hand NOW, you can mod it, create maps for it, play other peoples maps and theres really no restrictions, you can also play so it looks nicer with higher resolutions and watch as it expands into a huge game...not just the one you picked up off the shelf for your console.

[QUOTE="anandram"]

Ok firstly, all this talk about mods being poo etc etc...W......T.....F.

I never said they were bad! Show me where I said they were.

Have you played some of the mods out there for HL2/Unreal/GTA/oblivion/stalker??? Im guessing not, theres like 30 easily for HL2 that are FREE, some of which have made themselves into standalones...so again.....WTF? They have more of a booming community than some retailed marketed games!! THis CANNOT be your basis of an argument because the evidence against you is enough to make you cry uncle.

Why would the most talented modders want to not expand their audience? It was huge popularity that broughtmoney to Counter Strike developers.

The quality of PS3 mods are and will not be in the same league as PC mods, PC modders originate from PC's ...duh... and PS3 modders in the bulk will have to be PC enthusiasts because lets be honest about the console communnity shall we...:? no offense :) My point is, unless they really really want to, i dont see PC users getting their hands dirty over a system that they probably dont own and would care to concentrate their time on, im sure they would rather spend their time modding PC games....because thats the system of choice for them in the 1st instance.

I guess I'm differentiating between 'I mod things because it's fun to mess around with' and 'I mod because I want to eventually be a professional game designer.'

At the end of the day, it prooves a valid point about the PC community if from what you said was true nnavidson, this being PS3 modders would be vastly PC users/modders, so what does this say to you about PC gaming/community? To me it says alot.

I think it's clear as seen by the popularity of FPS that PC owners drive the video game market. They're basically early adopters which means that they're the true die hards of gaming. I know this is system wars and we're not supposed to talk intelligently, but all gamers should respect the PC even if they think it;s too much investment for them at the time.

nnavidson

Dont get me wrong buddy, all of my post wasnt directed at you. Somone did say mods were poo for the most part or something...that wasnt meant for you otherwise i would have quoted you. I like your outlook and down to earth approach though and respect your insight.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

Vandalvideo

I should have clarified, I meant for the rest of the year. There are a couple games I'm interested in, but for the most part it's rather sparse compared to the heavy-hitter console lineup. And this entire year has been incredibly bland for PC... I haven't purchased a single 2007 game.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

MyopicCanadian

I should have clarified, I meant for the rest of the year. There are a couple games I'm interested in, but for the most part it's rather sparse compared to the heavy-hitter console lineup. And this entire year has been incredibly bland for PC... I haven't purchased a single 2007 game.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

anandram

Have you not noticed the huge fanbase that gears has? its not about a year old game, its about the ability to be able to prolong that enjoyment...in YOUR OWN WAY....think of your fav game on console....now think it comes to PC, you have it in the friggn palm of your hand NOW, you can mod it, create maps for it, play other peoples maps and theres really no restrictions, you can also play so it looks nicer with higher resolutions and watch as it expands into a huge game...not just the one you picked up off the shelf for your console.

I would never purchase a game a second time just because I can get mods for it on another platform. They'd have to be really good mods, like the equivalent of Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, or Red Orchestra. And you're also assuming that everyone has a PC that will surpass the 360 version graphically. I highly doubt my SLI'ed 7800 GT's will run the game any better, if at all.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

Vandalvideo

I should have clarified, I meant for the rest of the year. There are a couple games I'm interested in, but for the most part it's rather sparse compared to the heavy-hitter console lineup. And this entire year has been incredibly bland for PC... I haven't purchased a single 2007 game.

Actually, no it doesn't. Taste in games is what makes me choose my primary system, not HMM.. let's look at the number of AAA's by platform per quarter. And I don't only play AAA games :)

When I can play 10 hour marathon sessions of games on a kb/m without getting cramped up, like I can do with a controller, then PC will be my primary system. It's still one of my favorite platforms but when you play as much as I do comfortability cannot be ignored and must be a priority.

Before you say "PCs can use controllers!!!" I know, but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I play PC games BECAUSE of the kb/m.

Actually, no it doesn't. Taste in games is what makes me choose my primary system, not HMM.. let's look at the number of AAA's by platform per quarter. And I don't only play AAA games :)MyopicCanadian

When I can play 10 hour marathon sessions of games on a kb/m without getting cramped up, like I can do with a controller, then PC will be my primary system. It's still one of my favorite platforms but when you play as much as I do comfortability cannot be ignored and must be a priority.

Before you say "PCs can use controllers!!!" I know, but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I play PC games BECAUSE of the kb/m.

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