PC gaming FTW? - GeOW related

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

When I can play 10 hour marathon sessions of games on a kb/m without getting cramped up, like I can do with a controller, then PC will be my primary system. It's still one of my favorite platforms but when you play as much as I do comfortability cannot be ignored and must be a priority.

Before you say "PCs can use controllers!!!" I know, but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I play PC games BECAUSE of the kb/m.

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="anandram"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

MyopicCanadian

Have you not noticed the huge fanbase that gears has? its not about a year old game, its about the ability to be able to prolong that enjoyment...in YOUR OWN WAY....think of your fav game on console....now think it comes to PC, you have it in the friggn palm of your hand NOW, you can mod it, create maps for it, play other peoples maps and theres really no restrictions, you can also play so it looks nicer with higher resolutions and watch as it expands into a huge game...not just the one you picked up off the shelf for your console.

I would never purchase a game a second time just because I can get mods for it on another platform. They'd have to be really good mods, like the equivalent of Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, or Red Orchestra. And you're also assuming that everyone has a PC that will surpass the 360 version graphically. I highly doubt my SLI'ed 7800 GT's will run the game any better, if at all.

Thats your problem :? Thats not PC gamings fault is it? Its your personal issues and money constraints.

No, basically I was saying that if it weren't such a good method of control, I would'nt invest in PC games at all save very few. As much as I love tossing crates to DOG in Half-Life 2 or tearing through the Third Reich in COD2, the kb/m will only let me play for an hour or two at a time before I get cramped. I know this doesn't go for everyone, maybe because my hands are pretty big it's more uncomfy for me. Spartan070

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]

When I can play 10 hour marathon sessions of games on a kb/m without getting cramped up, like I can do with a controller, then PC will be my primary system. It's still one of my favorite platforms but when you play as much as I do comfortability cannot be ignored and must be a priority.

Before you say "PCs can use controllers!!!" I know, but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I play PC games BECAUSE of the kb/m.

Spartan070

Can we stop with the personal assumptions/issues. This doesnt proove anything in the debate that a PC isnt THE medium to enjoy your games.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]Actually, no it doesn't. Taste in games is what makes me choose my primary system, not HMM.. let's look at the number of AAA's by platform per quarter. And I don't only play AAA games :)Vandalvideo

What exactly is your criteria for "the most high quality titles"? You throw this statement around as if it is fact, but by the end of the year there will besome great titles out for consoles and only a couple promising ones for PC. I hope it's not just by counting AAA's, because that's a pretty terrible way to judge a system's lineup.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="anandram"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

anandram

Have you not noticed the huge fanbase that gears has? its not about a year old game, its about the ability to be able to prolong that enjoyment...in YOUR OWN WAY....think of your fav game on console....now think it comes to PC, you have it in the friggn palm of your hand NOW, you can mod it, create maps for it, play other peoples maps and theres really no restrictions, you can also play so it looks nicer with higher resolutions and watch as it expands into a huge game...not just the one you picked up off the shelf for your console.

I would never purchase a game a second time just because I can get mods for it on another platform. They'd have to be really good mods, like the equivalent of Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, or Red Orchestra. And you're also assuming that everyone has a PC that will surpass the 360 version graphically. I highly doubt my SLI'ed 7800 GT's will run the game any better, if at all.

Thats your problem :? Thats not PC gamings fault is it? Its your personal issues and money constraints.

What exactly are you trying to argue here? My point is that Gears will not run better on PC just because it's available on PC, as MANY PC gamers do not have the hardware to max out Gears of War.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]No, basically I was saying that if it weren't such a good method of control, I would'nt invest in PC games at all save very few. As much as I love tossing crates to DOG in Half-Life 2 or tearing through the Third Reich in COD2, the kb/m will only let me play for an hour or two at a time before I get cramped. I know this doesn't go for everyone, maybe because my hands are pretty big it's more uncomfy for me. Vandalvideo

Wait...how am I knocking it?

...and I said in my first post why I don't use a gamepad for PC games...

Can we stop with the personal assumptions/issues. This doesnt proove anything in the debate that a PC isnt THE medium to enjoy your games.

anandram

Lol....irony at it's best...

[QUOTE="anandram"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="anandram"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

But it's also coming a year late... and there are some great games for consoles that aren't even announced for PC. And I think in the next few months, PC has the weakest lineup in terms of games. Atleast, I'm not interested in them. So, being one of your systems? Sure. But being a primary system because you can mod a game that's already been out for a year on consoles? I don't really understand that argument.

MyopicCanadian

Have you not noticed the huge fanbase that gears has? its not about a year old game, its about the ability to be able to prolong that enjoyment...in YOUR OWN WAY....think of your fav game on console....now think it comes to PC, you have it in the friggn palm of your hand NOW, you can mod it, create maps for it, play other peoples maps and theres really no restrictions, you can also play so it looks nicer with higher resolutions and watch as it expands into a huge game...not just the one you picked up off the shelf for your console.

I would never purchase a game a second time just because I can get mods for it on another platform. They'd have to be really good mods, like the equivalent of Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, or Red Orchestra. And you're also assuming that everyone has a PC that will surpass the 360 version graphically. I highly doubt my SLI'ed 7800 GT's will run the game any better, if at all.

Thats your problem :? Thats not PC gamings fault is it? Its your personal issues and money constraints.

What exactly are you trying to argue here? My point is that Gears will not run better on PC just because it's available on PC, as MANY PC gamers do not have the hardware to max out Gears of War.

Well then say that :) Thats agreed, however its really not just about graphics is it....diversity/customisation all lead to better gameplay.

[QUOTE="anandram"]

Can we stop with the personal assumptions/issues. This doesnt proove anything in the debate that a PC isnt THE medium to enjoy your games.

Spartan070

Lol....irony at it's best...

Explain to me how that is ironic? If you mean im assuming that PC gaming is the best for personal reasons hence the irony, then no sherlock im not.:) I was meaning stop wth your reasonsthat PC gaming blows because youget finger cramps or YOUR grapx card sucks or whatever. I speak of the GENERAL fact that PC gaming is the medium to enjoy your games....not personally.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]No, basically I was saying that if it weren't such a good method of control, I would'nt invest in PC games at all save very few. As much as I love tossing crates to DOG in Half-Life 2 or tearing through the Third Reich in COD2, the kb/m will only let me play for an hour or two at a time before I get cramped. I know this doesn't go for everyone, maybe because my hands are pretty big it's more uncomfy for me. Spartan070

Wait...how am I knocking it?

...and I said in my first post why I don't use a gamepad for PC games...

It makes no sense because you say youinvest in pc gaming to use the kb/m yet you are displaying contempt for it, YET you dont want to use a gamepad??? SO what are you going to do....look at it? :?

Well then say that :) Thats agreed, however its really not just about graphics is it....diversity/customisation all lead to better gameplay.

anandram

In that I agree, the PC versions of games almost always have great possibilities for customization. However, there appears to a trend of the PC version being "pushed aside", by delaying the PC version of the game by a year (or more.. Halo/Halo 2), not even announcing or releasing the game on PC (Mass Effect is still not confirmed) or creating the game for console and then porting it to PC (Oblivion. Although it has great user-made mods, I can't get over the fact that it was made for 360, dumbed down with a terrible UI).

Anyway, if that trend continues then I wouldn't be pushing PC as a "primary platform". It's getting the short end of the stick these days :)

[QUOTE="anandram"]

Well then say that :) Thats agreed, however its really not just about graphics is it....diversity/customisation all lead to better gameplay.

MyopicCanadian

In that I agree, the PC versions of games almost always have great possibilities for customization. However, there appears to a trend of the PC version being "pushed aside", by delaying the PC version of the game by a year (or more.. Halo/Halo 2), not even announcing or releasing the game on PC (Mass Effect is still not confirmed) or creating the game for console and then porting it to PC (Oblivion. Although it has great user-made mods, I can't get over the fact that it was made for 360, dumbed down with a terrible UI).

Anyway, if that trend continues then I wouldn't be pushing PC as a "primary platform". It's getting the short end of the stick these days :)

I see where your going but i push it as primary because when wwe do get that short stick...it tends to end up being the better version? Like you say with oblivion.

[QUOTE="anandram"]

Well then say that :) Thats agreed, however its really not just about graphics is it....diversity/customisation all lead to better gameplay.

MyopicCanadian

In that I agree, the PC versions of games almost always have great possibilities for customization. However, there appears to a trend of the PC version being "pushed aside", by delaying the PC version of the game by a year (or more.. Halo/Halo 2), not even announcing or releasing the game on PC (Mass Effect is still not confirmed) or creating the game for console and then porting it to PC (Oblivion. Although it has great user-made mods, I can't get over the fact that it was made for 360, dumbed down with a terrible UI).

Anyway, if that trend continues then I wouldn't be pushing PC as a "primary platform". It's getting the short end of the stick these days :)

For nearly all crossplatform games, the PC version is the best. And I am saying that having both a decent gaming PC and an assortment of consoles.

When I can play 10 hour marathon sessions of games on a kb/m without getting cramped up, like I can do with a controller, then PC will be my primary system. It's still one of my favorite platforms but when you play as much as I do comfortability cannot be ignored and must be a priority.

Before you say "PCs can use controllers!!!" I know, but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I play PC games BECAUSE of the kb/m.

Spartan070

LOL!!! For many people who play WOW 10 hour marathon sessions are nothing but peanuts and they do it peacefully

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.Meu2k7

PC gaming is already more mainstream than consoles though.

" Bu bu buh teh Marketing says console is teh cool :cry:"

I'll answer both of you on that. PC gaming is NOT more mainstream than consoles period. There was over 40 billion in console sales and not even1 billion in PC gaming. People don't say PC gaming is dead because it is doing so great in sales. Games like WOW are the onlyexception to the rule.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.rexoverbey

PC gaming is already more mainstream than consoles though.

" Bu bu buh teh Marketing says console is teh cool :cry:"

I'll answer both of you on that. PC gaming is NOT more mainstream than consoles period. There was over 40 billion in console sales and not even1 billion in PC gaming. People don't say PC gaming is dead because it is doing so great in sales. Games like WOW are the onlyexception to the rule.

Over 40 billion console sales huh (I assume your talking about software revenue here?) Sure you don't want to revise that stance? See, software sales are incredibly deceptive when comparing the PC and consoles, since you really can't track PC software sales due to all the ways it is recorded (lots of services like Steam and Direct2Drive are excluded which the NPD just can't track). Since the numbers all stem from conventional retail, obviously the medium confined to conventional retail sale is going to do much better.

Not to mention the woeful methods of data collection to video games outside the US and Japan, where in countries in Europe and markets like South Korea, it's estimated PC gaming gobbles up a lion's share.

But what I'm talking about is estimated hardware userbases. This year, Microsoft themselves have reign to an estimate that there are 200 million PC gamers. Think about that, if you add the PS2, Xbox, GameCube, Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 userbases together (which would have a lot of crossover, since people would own more than one console in many cases), then you still don't reach that number.

But all these 200 million are playing the Sims and Solitaire right, while a few hardcore players crank out Crysis? Well, it's predicted 16 million Dx10 chips will be sold this year alone, and at least twice that many number for GPUs below Dx10.

The facts are, PC gaming is more mainstream than console gaming, since PCs are such a proliferate item in modern society. The misconception that PC gaming is weak or dying just stems from the fact it's a silent giant due to it's decentralized and uninhibited nature.

Pc Gaming is the best, but as a 16 year old student who just moved away from the pc to consoles, I have to say, replacing a £600 rig every two years is too expensive. I miss the mods and the m/k, but I like buying a system guaranteed to last (well, at least for 3 years until my warranty runs out lol)Bromz

Coming a year later is supposed to be impressive for PC? I don't consider getting a game a year later a big deal especially when that wouldn't be too far off from Gears 2 which will more than likely come in 08. Mods, map editor, etc where in Halo 2 PC and that didn't help it much either. I will probably still buy it for the extra levels, but don't expect PC gaming to become mainstream like consoles either.rexoverbey

Gears on the PC will have plenty of extra material worth a look. And please remember that many at Epic played games on the PC far before Microsofts intrusion into the gaming world.

Furthmore, the reason many games are on the Xbox are because Microsoft insures this through expenditure, not because the Xbox is anything special. If anything, the Xbox, like Microsoft in general, hampers the progression of video gaming.

Which came first? I was thinking about this the whole time E3 started, A computer (Mac, or windows 95, what ever) or a console?

I though the PONG console came out first, then MAC, I'm not too sure, can anybody clarify this for me?

Which came first? I was thinking about this the whole time E3 started, A computer (Mac, or windows 95, what ever) or a console?

I though the PONG console came out first, then MAC, I'm not too sure, can anybody clarify this for me?

Hermitkermit

Well it wasent first, but it was the most widespread and popular for its time:

Histrory of the Operating System (from wiki)

The first computers did not have operating systems. By the early 1960s, commercial computer vendors were supplying quite extensive tools for streamlining the development, scheduling, and execution of jobs on batch processing systems. Examples were produced by UNIVAC and Control Data Corporation, amongst others.

Through the 1960s, several major concepts were developed, driving the development of operating systems. The development of the IBMSystem/360 produced a family of mainframe computers available in widely differing capacities and price points, for which a single operating system OS/360 was planned (rather than developing ad-hoc programs for every individual model). This concept of a single OS spanning an entire product line was crucial for the success of System/360 and, in fact, IBM's current mainframe operating systems are distant descendants of this original system; applications written for the OS/360 can still be run on modern machines. OS/360 also contained another important advance: the development of the hard disk permanent storage device (which IBM called DASD). Another key development was the concept of time-sharing: the idea of sharing the resources of expensive computers amongst multiple computer users interacting in real time with the system. Time sharing allowed all of the users to have the illusion of having exclusive access to the machine; the Multics timesharing system was the most famous of a number of new operating systems developed to take advantage of the concept.

Multics, particularly, was an inspiration to a number of operating systems developed in the 1970s, notably Unix by Dennis Richie and Ken Thompson. Another commercially-popular minicomputer operating system was VMS.

The first microcomputers did not have the capacity or need for the elaborate operating systems that had been developed for mainframes and minis; minimalistic operating systems were developed, often loaded from ROM and known as Monitors. One notable early disk-based operating system was CP/M, which was supported on many early microcomputers and was largely cloned in creating MS-DOS, which became wildly popular as the operating system chosen for the IBM PC (IBM's version of it was called IBM-DOS or PC-DOS), its successors making Microsoft one of the world's most profitable companies. The major alternative throughout the 1980s in the microcomputer market was Mac OS, tied intimately to the Apple Macintosh computer.

By the 1990s, the microcomputer had evolved to the point where, as well as extensive GUI facilities, the robustness and flexibility of operating systems of larger computers became increasingly desirable. Microsoft's response to this change was the development of Windows NT, which served as the basis for Microsoft's desktop operating system line starting in 2001. Apple rebuilt their operating system on top of a Unix core as Mac OS X, also released in 2001. Hobbyist-developed reimplementations of Unix, assembled with the tools from the GNU Project, also became popular; versions based on the Linux kernel are by far the most popular, with the BSD derived UNIXes holding a small portion of the server market.

The growing complexity of embedded devices has led to increasing use of embedded operating systems.

stop making threads about GEOW no one cares anymore.ginglejangle

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]Actually, no it doesn't. Taste in games is what makes me choose my primary system, not HMM.. let's look at the number of AAA's by platform per quarter. And I don't only play AAA games :)MyopicCanadian

What exactly is your criteria for "the most high quality titles"?You throw this statement around as if it is fact, but by the end of the year there will besome great titles out for consoles and only a couple promising ones for PC. I hope it's not just by counting AAA's, because that's a pretty terrible way to judge a system's lineup.

That PC has the most AA, AAA, and exclusive games. That is fact man, I don't own a good PC and I won't until Crysis. But these are the facts.

stop making threads about GEOW no one cares anymore.ginglejangle

5 pages and noone cares? Must be ghost writers. :?