PC gaming is ridiculously expensive.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] think about it! RTSes, RPGs, simulators, and other games menu based games = it makes sense, they're not action games. But.... Action games = You move with the WASD, which still feels unnatural to me because I'm so used to console's analod sticks were you don't have to face a direction if you want to turn. Movie like this, you just move to face your enemy and then... click to shoot your gun/swing your sword/cast your spell.Nerkcon

That's why you use combo... mouse & keybord to move in any angle and precise.

I don't care about you playing CSS... you rather play CSS with a controler?

K&M feels great for many genre of games, while other are best with controler.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] think about it! RTSes, RPGs, simulators, and other games menu based games = it makes sense, they're not action games. But.... Action games = You move with the WASD, which still feels unnatural to me because I'm so used to console's analod sticks were you don't have to face a direction if you want to turn. Movie like this, you just move to face your enemy and then... click to shoot your gun/swing your sword/cast your spell.lowe0

That's why you use combo... mouse & keybord to move in any angle and precise.

It's dead easy to do this on a gamepad, but tapping the A key while holding down the W key isn't going to cut it, as you'll actually end up zigzagging, which you'll have to correct for in your mouse movements.

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

That's why you use combo... mouse & keybord to move in any angle and precise.

Bebi_vegeta

It's dead easy to do this on a gamepad, but tapping the A key while holding down the W key isn't going to cut it, as you'll actually end up zigzagging, which you'll have to correct for in your mouse movements.

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]:lol:

dude, you're one of the few that can always shut a pc snob up...i love it

dont get me wrong though, i also really enjoy pc gaming, but they jsut get out of hand sometimes

kidcool189

So console fanboys are allowed to post bull**** like this OP, but PC gamers are automatically elitist snobs as soon as they defend themselves. Please, if you're going to insult me, at least give some mature arguments.

I no rite? Exaggerating facts means I'm a PC elitist, even if I'm a PS3 gamer as well. Anyways keep trying, it's not like I give a damn about being insulted over the Internet.

no you just mentioned one game that happens to be vey system hungry. crysis on medium looks better any console game. and i ran it on medium on a q6600 8800gts card. not very expensive. the whole point of pc games is that it suits any budget. crozon

you got somethings right.... and something VERY VERY WRONG! Please don't argue... I don't have time to load up Crysis, take screenshots and then post them atm.

PS. Also... Crysis Warhead looks and runs terrible when compared to the original Crysis.... I have a Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz w/ 3gigs of RAM and a GTX 275 and I put all settings on Enthusiast, Res. @ 1080p and the game runs at about 30fps.

With the original Crysis I can set all to HIGH and same resolution w/ 4xAA and run it at 45-50 fps and the game just looks better... alot less pop-in.

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

Bebi_vegeta

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

whatisazerg

You shouldn't have even tried. The horrible, horrible truths about the supposedly glorious PC will not come out.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

lowe0

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

whatisazerg

yep, WASD only has 8 potential directions. The good old mouse does however make up for that with vastly superior speed and accuracy.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

lowe0

WASD offers 8 direction, with the combination and precision of the mouse I can do even more.

[QUOTE="crozon"]no you just mentioned one game that happens to be vey system hungry. crysis on medium looks better any console game. and i ran it on medium on a q6600 8800gts card. not very expensive. the whole point of pc games is that it suits any budget. whatisazerg

you got somethings right.... and something VERY VERY WRONG! Please don't argue... I don't have time to load up Crysis, take screenshots and then post them atm.

PS. Also... Crysis Warhead looks and runs terrible when compared to the original Crysis.... I have a Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz w/ 3gigs of RAM and a GTX 275 and I put all settings on Enthusiast, Res. @ 1080p and the game runs at about 30fps.

With the original Crysis I can set all to HIGH and same resolution w/ 4xAA and run it at 45-50 fps and the game just looks better... alot less pop-in.

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

I just loaded CW and I was wondering was level did you get so many pops... I was trying to see carefully for pops while driving or running, but I could barely detecte any.

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

[QUOTE="crozon"]no you just mentioned one game that happens to be vey system hungry. crysis on medium looks better any console game. and i ran it on medium on a q6600 8800gts card. not very expensive. the whole point of pc games is that it suits any budget. Bebi_vegeta

you got somethings right.... and something VERY VERY WRONG! Please don't argue... I don't have time to load up Crysis, take screenshots and then post them atm.

PS. Also... Crysis Warhead looks and runs terrible when compared to the original Crysis.... I have a Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz w/ 3gigs of RAM and a GTX 275 and I put all settings on Enthusiast, Res. @ 1080p and the game runs at about 30fps.

With the original Crysis I can set all to HIGH and same resolution w/ 4xAA and run it at 45-50 fps and the game just looks better... alot less pop-in.

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

I just loaded CW and I was wondering was level did you get so many pops... I was trying to see carefully for pops while driving or running, but I could barely detecte any.

In Warhead retail, the pop ups are everywhere. The strange thing is he gets more fps in Crysis, since that is the reason Warhead shipped with that awful view distance, to fool people into believing it was better optimized. Strange :?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

you got somethings right.... and something VERY VERY WRONG! Please don't argue... I don't have time to load up Crysis, take screenshots and then post them atm.

PS. Also... Crysis Warhead looks and runs terrible when compared to the original Crysis.... I have a Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz w/ 3gigs of RAM and a GTX 275 and I put all settings on Enthusiast, Res. @ 1080p and the game runs at about 30fps.

With the original Crysis I can set all to HIGH and same resolution w/ 4xAA and run it at 45-50 fps and the game just looks better... alot less pop-in.

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

glez13

I just loaded CW and I was wondering was level did you get so many pops... I was trying to see carefully for pops while driving or running, but I could barely detecte any.

In Warhead retail, the pop ups are everywhere. The strange thing is he gets more fps in Crysis, since that is the reason Warhead shipped with that awful view distance, to fool people into believing it was better optimized. Strange :?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

you got somethings right.... and something VERY VERY WRONG! Please don't argue... I don't have time to load up Crysis, take screenshots and then post them atm.

PS. Also... Crysis Warhead looks and runs terrible when compared to the original Crysis.... I have a Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz w/ 3gigs of RAM and a GTX 275 and I put all settings on Enthusiast, Res. @ 1080p and the game runs at about 30fps.

With the original Crysis I can set all to HIGH and same resolution w/ 4xAA and run it at 45-50 fps and the game just looks better... alot less pop-in.

PSS. In Crysis Warhead foliage magically pops up just 10 feet in front of your character....its annoying.

glez13

I just loaded CW and I was wondering was level did you get so many pops... I was trying to see carefully for pops while driving or running, but I could barely detecte any.

In Warhead retail, the pop ups are everywhere. The strange thing is he gets more fps in Crysis, since that is the reason Warhead shipped with that awful view distance, to fool people into believing it was better optimized. Strange :?

I have Warhead with Steam... But I do have 2Gb of video card ram... there's rare occasion of pops.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] think about it! RTSes, RPGs, simulators, and other games menu based games = it makes sense, they're not action games. But.... Action games = You move with the WASD, which still feels unnatural to me because I'm so used to console's analod sticks were you don't have to face a direction if you want to turn. Movie like this, you just move to face your enemy and then... click to shoot your gun/swing your sword/cast your spell.lowe0

That's why you use combo... mouse & keybord to move in any angle and precise.

It's dead easy to do this on a gamepad, but tapping the A key while holding down the W key isn't going to cut it, as you'll actually end up zigzagging, which you'll have to correct for in your mouse movements.

fail. If you are gonna do a comparision atleast know what you are talking about. the Core 7 965 is an overpriced piece of junk get an I7 920, and overclock it 3.5+ghz, which is superior to the 965. ATI Radeon 4890 is 200bucks, and is a top of the line card.

I have Warhead with Steam... But I do have 2Gb of video card ram... there's rare occasion of pops.

Bebi_vegeta

Maybe Warhead can autodetect hardware and changes the setting accordingly. I had to search the interwebz to see how to edit the value when I played it, and managed to leave it with slight pop ups here and there, and leaving it with a performance similar to the original(obviously with the pop ups the performance of warhead was better). The strange thing, still, is that the original didn't had this problem.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay... using the mouse and WASD keys, how does one move in a straight line at a -15deg. angle relative to their aimpoint? Say, if you want to run along a ledge shooting at someone moving below?

It's dead easy to do this on a gamepad, but tapping the A key while holding down the W key isn't going to cut it, as you'll actually end up zigzagging, which you'll have to correct for in your mouse movements.

DragonfireXZ95

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

Bebi_vegeta

WASD offers 8 direction, with the combination and precision of the mouse I can do even more.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh because you can only press 1 key at the time on your keybord???

You know what's dead easy with a mouse, aiming... while a controler you need help (auto aim)... wonder why.

HuusAsking

It's doable if you know how to... it's not perfect... But I prefer that, then having handicap aiming.

I run Crysis at 1280x1024 with 2xAA and Very High detail. My PC was $700.

No, PC gaming isn't ridiculously expensive. You just are too ignorant to see that. On top of that, if you get a higher end PCwhen you buy one (around $600-$1000 depending on how high you go), it will last you for more than a few years. I've had all my PC's and upgraded them within about 3 years each and i've been PC gaming since 1990. In other words, the TC is ignorant. Sorry, but you don't need an I7 processor to run Crysis. On top of that, Crysis is by far the most resource hungry game out there. No other game even comes close and most likely won't (primarily due to the fact that Crysis requires at least dual core to run well and it was only optimized for single core). Thanks for proving once again that consolites really aren't any smarter than a brick though. If anyone needed to be reassured of this then, well, it was proven once again.

If you're just moving. But what if you're moving and aiming at once, and the angle between the movement and the shot are oblique and therefore not possible with just WASD? Furthermore, what if there's little margin for movement error (say a narrow catwalk with no rails)?HuusAsking

Last time I checked some players always do that in games where movement is important (like Quake and Unreal Tournament games).

The funny thing here is that in a First Person Shooter some consolites prefer movement over aiming. It is obvious why in console FPSs movement is so important. Aiming is so poor that you practically aim mostly by moving the character and then slightly aiming properly + the help of aim assist do rest. In PC, how good you move becomes obsolete against the precision of mouse aiming, unless it's a game like the ones that I mentioned before that incorporate stuff like bunny hoping, quick dashes and stuff like that.

Heres a list of ps 3 and xbox 360 games with Rendering Resolutions http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241 not much of them at 1080p nevermind running at 60fps any newish Gameing pc can run most if not all they games at 1080p and probably at higher settings oh and gta 4 runs at 30fps on the xbox360 at low settings the pcs in the op will run it at 1080p and then some at high settings and get more fps than 30

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

That's why you use combo... mouse & keybord to move in any angle and precise.

It's dead easy to do this on a gamepad, but tapping the A key while holding down the W key isn't going to cut it, as you'll actually end up zigzagging, which you'll have to correct for in your mouse movements.

A straight of the art. Gaming pc can run you in the 5k+ range, Yes, you can get ones for usually 600. but that is still is a good deal more than a ps3 and 360. I don't see it worth it. ESP. since the amount of games that came out to the pc has gone done greatly

You end up spending twice as much in video cards to get the similar performance compared to getting an entire multimedia system (PS3/360) for half the price. Makes perfect sense, right guys?CStheGreat

Even with the inaccuracies about price aside: last I checked, my 360 isn't a fraction of the multimedia system my PCs are. You think the consoles are "mutlimedia systems?" Don't make me laugh. My 360 can't even decode H.264 without adhering to ridiculous profile specifications. Hell, my 360 can't even decode the lossless audio format my Audio CDs are archived in, and I have to transcode in real-time to make up for the console's pathetic lacking if I ever want to listen to music in my living room.

Nice PCs do cost more than a console, but that's obviously because they're capable of so much more.

[QUOTE="CStheGreat"]You end up spending twice as much in video cards to get the similar performance compared to getting an entire multimedia system (PS3/360) for half the price. Makes perfect sense, right guys?Velocitas8

Even with the inaccuracies about price aside: last I checked, my 360 isn't a fraction of the multimedia system my PCs are. You think the consoles are "mutlimedia systems?" Don't make me laugh. My 360 can't even decode H.264 without adhering to ridiculous profile specifications. Hell, my 360 can't even decode the lossless audio format my Audio CDs are archived in, and I have to transcode in real-time to make up for the console's pathetic lacking if I ever want to listen to music in my living room.

Nice PCs do cost more than a console, but that's obviously because they're capable of so much more.

I've never gotten how pc gaming is so expensive. Jeez, I bought an inexpensive pc from Walmart that already had an AMD dual-core processor, which I'm sure wasn't the fastest of the fast, 3 GB RAM, and a 22" monitor. Nothing fancy. I put an 8800 GTS graphics card and a better power supply in it. That's it. I can run everything out there, including Crysis with settings on high. I understand that consoles are cheaper, I have about every console known to man, but I love pc gaming as well, just don't think it's that expensive at all. :?

I'm running Crysis warhead on "gamer"(High) Setting at 1650x1080 with4xAA at around 30fps. it's fine. actually much better than the console games that run at less than HD resolution, less than 4x AA, less graphically quality and also at 30fps.

if i removed AA then i could probably get very high setting on 30fps and i build my box for $750 just recently.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay... using the mouse and WASD keys, how does one move in a straight line at a -15deg. angle relative to their aimpoint? Say, if you want to run along a ledge shooting at someone moving below?

It's dead easy to do this on a gamepad, but tapping the A key while holding down the W key isn't going to cut it, as you'll actually end up zigzagging, which you'll have to correct for in your mouse movements.

lowe0

Why are those none of those games installed then?! :?

Let me start off by noting that I own both a PS3 and an XBOX 360. At 21 years old, my days of religious loyalty to one particular system are long over. I'm in the process of building a new all-purpose/gaming rig and I'm shocked after finding out the ugly turth behind pc gaming. For years, Hermits have claimed how awesome PC graphics are compared to consoles and have gone out of their way to build "cheap" computers that could supposedly max out many titles. Well Hermits, care to explain this? (courtesy of http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=4)



Joke of the century am confirmed. So $800 worth of processors and video cards alone STILL can even run the game above 40FPS at 1080p. Add a harddrive, optical drive, powersupply, case, fans, ram, and cooling components and you're well in the $1500+ range.

There is NO video card on the market that can run a game like Crysis on high settings at 60FPS @ 1080p. So all the bullshots Hermits refer to when trying to claim ownage should come with a disclaimer reading: "This is not indicative of true real-world performance." This is one reason why I think PC gaming will eventually die. Computers, even custom computers built specifically to run games, aren't made to run games. Nothing short of building a $3000 extreme rig with some GTX 295's SLI'd will you get to power PC games at their full potential. You end up spending twice as much in video cards to get the similar performance compared to getting an entire multimedia system (PS3/360) for half the price. Makes perfect sense, right guys?


Summary: Modern computers cannot run games that came out years ago at the settings Hermits claim. PC gaming is overly expensive. A sub $400 build using deals of the century and tons of rebate offers isn't going to match a PS3/360. Sad but true.

CStheGreat

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] ...Have you played a PC game before?BoloTheGreat

Why are those none of those games installed then?! :?

just as an FYI to the TS, while pc gaming is expensive i can actually run the original crysis on high detail @ 1080p , no AA at around 40-50 fps on my 63" tv. my rig is as follows

i7 975 3.33 ghz
12 gb ddr3 ram
gtx 275

i would assume that you could keep the 275, knock it down to 6 gigs of ram and use a cheaper model of the i7 and still get comparable gameplay. shouldn't cost more than $1500 to build with the hd/dvd/mobo etc

...also very buggy i might add with alot of issues. Anyway Those are expensive rigs, 2-3 years ago you didnt need them because hardware requirements were logical, but now we got ports and you need everything you can get. On second thought, stalker clear sky, crysis, cryostasis, arma 2... they are pc exlusives and have pretty bad perfomance and bad optimazation.... hmmm.dakan45

Euhhhh, what? Crysis still the best looking game and runs a wide range of hardware. Arma 2 has huge map and the graphic is incredible aswell. And Stalker clear sky runs great, I don't know where you're geting this.

serieusly, we PC gamers just have more to spend then most console gamers. what's the problem ?

Do i need to make more Myths about PC gmaing threads? BoloTheGreat

I can run one of the best looking games on consoles at 60+ FPS, max settings (inc 8x AA) at 1080p on a $290 CPU/graphics card combo. LOL CONSOLES AM WEAK!!

What does this mean?

It means ****

no you just mentioned one game that happens to be vey system hungry. crysis on medium looks better any console game. and i ran it on medium on a q6600 8800gts card. not very expensive. the whole point of pc games is that it suits any budget. crozon

Funny you mention that after the release of the tech video for Crysis 2 on consoles.

:shock:

PC gaming is ridiculously expensive.CStheGreat