PC Gaming Is So Dead That 63% Of American Gamers Game on PC

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Proof needed. This industry has a history of drastic changes so a assumption based on a 2010 piechart is a folly.clyde46

Drastic change? Like what?

I don't think "drastic" is the proper word to use there.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Fine there is no exact proof, I'm good with just saying PC has more games, sales, and games....without indicating exactly what kind of games.

 

 

I'm cool with that. Afterall, you guys get to count shitty yearly sports rehashes right?

lx_theo

But I proved PC has more gamers, exclusives, devs, sales. So I wasn't able to say with or without "casual" shit because a lack of evidence after 2010 .....

9/10, not bad.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

More games and exclusives:

www.gamespot.com

More gamers:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07/14/pc-gaming-is-so-dead-that-63-of-american-gamers-game-on-pc-beating-smartphones-and-handhelds/

More Sales and developers:

http://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/1cdb17dd-05bb-453b-8cdc-b1f0eb5e9dc4.jpg

http://www.gamepur.com/files/images/2010/2010_video_game_revenue.jpg

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/03/06/gdc-2012-pc-games-raked-in-18-6-billion-in-2011/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-03-28-pc-software-hit-record-USD20b-revenue-in-2012

 

 

Anything else?

lx_theo

You are making a claim here. Now back it up.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Drastic change? Like what?

Ly_the_Fairy

I don't think "drastic" is the proper word to use there.

lol 'muricans :lol:themajormayor

:roll:

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] First source isn't evidenceSecond source says console gamers are more Third source brings me to some random website. Fourth source is old. Fifth source established out of date data, with no mention of consoles or how they compare Sixth source establishes up to date information, but also makes no mention of how it compares to competition.kalipekona

You are making a claim here. Now back it up.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Fine there is no exact proof, I'm good with just saying PC has more games, sales, and games....without indicating exactly what kind of games.

 

 

I'm cool with that. Afterall, you guys get to count shitty yearly sports rehashes right?

Jankarcop

But I proved PC has more gamers, exclusives, devs, sales. So I wasn't able to say with or without "casual" shit because a lack of evidence after 2010 .....

9/10, not bad.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Debunked because you don't like them?


What sources has the otherside come up with? Not even one yet...and not a WORD from you :|

 

You're getting trolled bad dude :lol: 

lx_theo

And you didn't jump on him, nitpick him, nor ask him to provide evidence to back up his claims. This shows your clear bias. But we already knew that. Just looking at the stupid gif in your sig reveals how biased you are. 

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] The explosion of the F2P model for example have drastically changed the way games make money.clyde46

I don't think "drastic" is the proper word to use there.

How many devs have switched to using the F2P model for their library of titles?

How many platforms (consoles/PC/handhelds) have changed to support the F2P model for the vast majority of their titles?

I can't think of a single one.

F2P is just an additional market. One that devs support in addition to the retail market, the downloadable market, social/casual, etc etc. 

The only thing F2P drastically changed is the MMO landscape. It used to be dominated by subscription games, and now subscriptions are a dying concept.

As long as the retail, and digital market continue THRIVING, then it's a bit absurd to say that the F2P drastically altered the way games (outside of MMOs) make money.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Debunked because you don't like them?


What sources has the otherside come up with? Not even one yet...and not a WORD from you :|

 

You're getting trolled bad dude :lol: 

kalipekona

And you didn't jump on him, nitpick him, nor ask him to provide evidence to back up his claims. This shows your clear bias. But we already knew that. Just looking at the stupid gif in your sig reveals how biased you are. 

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Debunked because you don't like them?


What sources has the otherside come up with? Not even one yet...and not a WORD from you :|

 

You're getting trolled bad dude :lol: 

kalipekona

And you didn't jump on him, nitpick him, nor ask him to provide evidence to back up his claims. This shows your clear bias. But we already knew that. Just looking at the stupid gif in your sig reveals how biased you are. 

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] There are no "other sides" to any of your claims but the one involving social gaming, which would be trafalgar. He's also guilty of not providing sources.DrTrafalgarLaw

And you didn't jump on him, nitpick him, nor ask him to provide evidence to back up his claims. This shows your clear bias. But we already knew that. Just looking at the stupid gif in your sig reveals how biased you are. 

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] From a piechart from 2010..... Keep trying, you might get it eventually.clyde46

You act like 2010 was ages ago. We have seen reports from different sources that console revenue has been down these past few years. We have also seen reports that PC game revenue has seen growth year over year. We also know that Zynga revenue has been way down. Do we have a single reason to believe that FB games have grown as a percentage of that pie chart? No. In fact, we have several good reasons to believe that it has probably shrunk. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to make a rational inference about where things approximately stand now.

Zynga is one of the biggest players.

You still didn't answer my question. Do we have any reason to believe that FB games have significantly grown as a percentage of that pie-chart?

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

GOGOGOGURT

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than each console as that article states.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

Jankarcop

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than each console as that article states.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Drastic change? Like what?

Ly_the_Fairy

I don't think "drastic" is the proper word to use there.

Haha I don't either. You would think that a majority of games are now free-to-play based on a comment like that.

Even on PC, F2P is simply one relatively small subset of games.

Most games still make money the old fashioned way.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

lx_theo

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than each console as that article states.

I know it doens't saythat, it shows it.

A study carried out by the Entertainment Software Association found that even in the US the PC nearly matches all home consoles combined in terms of gaming use. Other studies have shown that overall revenue generated on the PC in 2013 is on track to outpace all consoles combined.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07/14/pc-gaming-is-so-dead-that-63-of-american-gamers-game-on-pc-beating-smartphones-and-handhelds/

The fact that the PC is a highly thriving game platform isn't news to most of us, but for those of you still in doubt...well, there you go.

kalipekona

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] The explosion of the F2P model for example have drastically changed the way games make money.kalipekona

I don't think "drastic" is the proper word to use there.

Haha I don't either. You would think that a majority of games are now free-to-play based on a comment like that.

Even on PC, F2P is simply one relatively small subset of games.

Most games still make money the old fashioned way.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than each console as that article states.

Jankarcop

I know it doens't saythat, it shows it.

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

A study carried out by the Entertainment Software Association found that even in the US the PC nearly matches all home consoles combined in terms of gaming use. Other studies have shown that overall revenue generated on the PC in 2013 is on track to outpace all consoles combined.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07/14/pc-gaming-is-so-dead-that-63-of-american-gamers-game-on-pc-beating-smartphones-and-handhelds/

The fact that the PC is a highly thriving game platform isn't news to most of us, but for those of you still in doubt...well, there you go.

LordOfPoms

Some people just gotta feel they have the best thing.  If it makes them happy to argue with others, who are we to deny them their happiness?

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] There are no "other sides" to any of your claims but the one involving social gaming, which would be trafalgar. He's also guilty of not providing sources.DrTrafalgarLaw

And you didn't jump on him, nitpick him, nor ask him to provide evidence to back up his claims. This shows your clear bias. But we already knew that. Just looking at the stupid gif in your sig reveals how biased you are. 

Yes, absolutely. It's the same as if I said, "I hate white people". It would be a clear indication of bias.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] It doesn't say thatlx_theo

I know it doens't saythat, it shows it.

Horseshit. That graph shows PC has more than EACH console.

One of the consoles would have to have a 85% lead for what you are saying to be true.  Now we know that is not true from console sales and xbl/psn users.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

Jankarcop

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than each console as that article states.

Hey it actually says there are more gamers on consoles fakeboy, and it doesn't state what kind of games they play.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

GOGOGOGURT

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than eachconsole as that article states.

Hey it actually says there are more gamers on consoles fakeboy, and it doesn't state what kind of games they play.

You have to prove that those games do not count. Until then PC has more gamers than EACH console in USA.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Yeah, they play farmville.  That's not a game.

lx_theo

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than each console as that article states.

Yes, it does. The PC percentage is almost as high as the percentage for all consoles combined. It would literally be impossible, given what we know about the relative market shares of each console, for the PC not to be higher than any one console.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="kalipekona"]

And you didn't jump on him, nitpick him, nor ask him to provide evidence to back up his claims. This shows your clear bias. But we already knew that. Just looking at the stupid gif in your sig reveals how biased you are. 

kalipekona

Yes, absolutely. It's the same as if I said, "I hate white people". It would be a clear indication of bias.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Waitin for a source, until then PC has more gamers than eachconsole as that article states.

Jankarcop

Hey it actually says there are more gamers on consoles fakeboy, and it doesn't state what kind of games they play.

You have to prove that those games do not count. Until then PC has more gamers than EACH console in USA.

Okay that's true, but it doesn't prove much.  Bottome line: there are more console gamers than PC gamers, according to that graph.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

I know it doens't saythat, it shows it.

 

 

Jankarcop

Horseshit. That graph shows PC has more than EACH console.

One of the consoles would have to have a 85% lead for what you are saying to be true.  Now we know that is not true from console sales and xbl/psn users.

For you slow people

No, it doesn't show or say that. Prove that there is no overlap between consoles for those people. Prove that, with or without overlap, that one single one cannot be higher. Then your statement will had a shred of validity.

For this to be true, one of the consoles would have to have a 90% higher users in USA than the others.  This is basically impossible given USA console sales. You know this. You have to show me facts proving that, because your claim is simply wild and practically impossible.

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

A study carried out by the Entertainment Software Association found that even in the US the PC nearly matches all home consoles combined in terms of gaming use. Other studies have shown that overall revenue generated on the PC in 2013 is on track to outpace all consoles combined.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07/14/pc-gaming-is-so-dead-that-63-of-american-gamers-game-on-pc-beating-smartphones-and-handhelds/

The fact that the PC is a highly thriving game platform isn't news to most of us, but for those of you still in doubt...well, there you go.

LordOfPoms

My point wasn't to down consoles. It was only to show what a thriving gaming platform the PC is.

I will argue what I believe to be the advantages of the PC, but I also believe the consoles have certain advantages. It really comes down to your needs. But that isn't what is being discussed here. We'll leave that for other threads.

For you slow people

 

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

Hey it actually says there are more gamers on consoles fakeboy, and it doesn't state what kind of games they play.

GOGOGOGURT

You have to prove that those games do not count. Until then PC has more gamers than EACH console in USA.

Okay that's true, but it doesn't prove much.  Bottome line: there are more console gamers than PC gamers, according to that graph.

This isn't 3vs1 Wars. Nice try though.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

For you slow people

 

lx_theo

What you are suggesting has to be proven. That overlap idea is your claim.

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

I don't think "drastic" is the proper word to use there.

lx_theo

Haha I don't either. You would think that a majority of games are now free-to-play based on a comment like that.

Even on PC, F2P is simply one relatively small subset of games.

Most games still make money the old fashioned way.

No, we would first have to define "drastic change". Then we would have to follow up with data showing that the free-to-play model's impact on gaming fits that definition.

No, it doesn't show or say that. Prove that there is no overlap between consoles for those people. Prove that, with or without overlap, that one single one cannot be higher. Then your statement will had a shred of validity.

For this to be true, one of the consoles would have to have a 90% higher users in USA than the others.  This is basically impossible given USA console sales. You know this. You have to show me facts proving that, because your claim is simply wild and practically impossible.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

For you slow people

 

Jankarcop

What you are suggesting has to be proven. That overlap idea is your claim.

That is your claim, you'll have to prove it.  

What I am saying is not a claim, it is merely shown on the graph.  The article has no mention of overlap, it is completel YOUR idea.

PC has more users than each Console, until you show more evidence.

PC is just dying backwards.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="kalipekona"]

Haha I don't either. You would think that a majority of games are now free-to-play based on a comment like that.

Even on PC, F2P is simply one relatively small subset of games.

Most games still make money the old fashioned way.

kalipekona

No, we would first have to define "drastic change". Then we would have to follow up with data showing that the free-to-play model's impact on gaming fits that definition.

That is your claim, you'll have to prove it.  

 

What I am saying is not a claim, it is merely shown on the graph.  The article has no mention of overlap, it is completel YOUR idea.

 

PC has more users than each Console, until you show more evidence.

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

I know it doens't saythat, it shows it.

 

 

Jankarcop

Horseshit. That graph shows PC has more than EACH console.

One of the consoles would have to have a 85% lead for what you are saying to be true.  Now we know that is not true from console sales and xbl/psn users.

Actually one console would have to have more like a 93% market share for the PC percentage not to be greater than any one console. I know you were just estimating. I'm just pointing out that it's even more impossible.

There is no mention of overlap in that chart or article.

It is completley your theory, idea, or claim.  It is your duty to prove it exists in that particular data set.

Until then, only the presented data counts, and that data shows PC has more Gamers than each console.  

So this thread proves PC has more : Sales, Gamers, Devs, Games, Exclusives. I'm loving it.

There is no mention of overlap in that chart or article.

It is completley your theory, idea, or claim.  It is your duty to prove it exists in that particular data set.

 

Until then, only the presented data counts, and that data shows PC has more Gamers than each console.  

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Concluding bias as a result of a gif in a signature? :lol: Are you serious? :lol:lx_theo

Yes, absolutely. It's the same as if I said, "I hate white people". It would be a clear indication of bias.

I think hating any gaming company or platform outright is irrational. They offer products and services and we can choose to buy them or not. 

I understand having preferences and even arguing the merits of one over the others, but I don't hate any of them. I think they all add something positive to gaming.

I don't plan to buy a Wii U or an Xbox One at this point based on my needs and what has been shown so far, but I don't begrudge them or the people that choose to game on them. Because my main platform is the PC, a console simply needs to offer enough exclusive games to make it worth my while. So far, I believe the PS4 will be the best bet. 

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

There is no mention of overlap in that chart or article.

It is completley your theory, idea, or claim.  It is your duty to prove it exists in that particular data set.

 

Until then, only the presented data counts, and that data shows PC has more Gamers than each console.  

lx_theo

You havn't proven your claim.  You must show that source is including overlap.

Until then, you have no place in this arguement. And until then, PC has more gamers than each console, as the chart declares.