PC gaming is so easy...

I won't dispute the PC's got some problems. But the fix is to swap out parts or install/rollback drivers. PC users don't just throw out their PCs and buy a new one, or better yet, send it in for a nominal fee.

RROD pisses me off as much as the next guy, but when it comes it comes. I've already had one 360 replaced, and my warranty is way up for the second. My only option is to buy a new one when that one dies. But if my PC should die (still going strong, though, fingers crossed) I don't need to buy a whole new one.

[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="fastr"][QUOTE="CentricStorm"]This depends entirely on the methods used to determine which is the cheapest platform, and it does also depend upon what type of gaming setup a user wants.fastr

You know the way console people get ripped apart if they call PC gaming complicated or frustrating?

And how it's so easy and there's never any problems?

Yet here's a few threads from the PC forum, page 1:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27360080&tag=topics%3Btitle = trouble installing

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27359819&tag=topics%3Btitle = severe slowdown (on a good PC)

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27357340&tag=topics%3Btitle = crappy FPS (on a good PC)

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27360001&tag=topics%3Btitle = trouble installing

These people seem to have good PCs and know what they are doing, yet have problems anyway!

So can PC people at least admit that bad ****, crashes, bugs and errors do indeed happen quite a bit on PC, and, RROD or broken disc aside, a 360 game will work 100% of the time?

locopatho

Because there are no such threads on the console boards. Oh, wait...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27360180&tag=topics%3Btitle Hard drive data messed up

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25966623&tag=topics%3BtitleNo sound through HDMI

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27359803&tag=topics%3BtitleTransfer cable not detected

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27359327&tag=topics%3Btitle Read Disc errors on a brand new game

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Computers are only as intelligent as their users, this thread is pretty redundant to be honest.-Feath-

The thread ending post. Seriously if you can't deal with a few crashes don't use a PC. If you get a RROD or YLOD that's pretty much it, game over.

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]Computers are only as intelligent as their users, this thread is pretty redundant to be honest.lucfonzy

The thread ending post. Seriously if you can't deal with a few crashes don't use a PC. If you get a RROD or YLOD that's pretty much it, game over.

PC gaming does have its fair share of issues, but the huge library, mods, keyboard + mouse controls for shooters, and some other stuff make up for it most of the time. Console gaming IS more comfortable, but both I wouldn't say it's more reliable when it comes to the Xbox 360 and its epic failure rate.

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

YLOD

RROD

:roll:

lowe0

and who says otherwise? really?

um.. yes, the 150 dollar xbox DOES support HD, DOES support surround sound, DOES have online play, yes you would have to pay for xbox live of course, DOESN'T lack any other additional functionality, possible something might be restricted due to not having a HD, which could be fixed for about 20 bucks. consoles aren't PC's.. just because your buying it cheap doesn't mean it has everything left out.fastr

you mean game over.. wait for your free replacement console?fastr

[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="fastr"] um.. yes, the 150 dollar xbox DOES support HD, DOES support surround sound, DOES have online play, yes you would have to pay for xbox live of course, DOESN'T lack any other additional functionality, possible something might be restricted due to not having a HD, which could be fixed for about 20 bucks. consoles aren't PC's.. just because your buying it cheap doesn't mean it has everything left out. [QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]Computers are only as intelligent as their users, this thread is pretty redundant to be honest.fastr

The thread ending post. Seriously if you can't deal with a few crashes don't use a PC. If you get a RROD or YLOD that's pretty much it, game over.

Yeah, game over. Wait 1 week+ to get a replacement, which will probably do the same thing again.

If your PC crashes (because of a game or something) then it's undoubtedly a driver issue or something similar which takes about 10 minutes to fix.

and who says otherwise? really?CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]and who says otherwise? really?Vandalvideo

Well, having been in the IT business for 15 years I can tell you the most common hardware failure are popped caps. In fact, I had a mobo pop a capacitor winter before last.

That being said, even consoles can pop caps (my Sega Genesis did).

Of course now I have an Asus mobo with solid-state caps. ;)

[QUOTE="fastr"]um.. yes, the 150 dollar xbox DOES support HD, DOES support surround sound, DOES have online play, yes you would have to pay for xbox live of course, DOESN'T lack any other additional functionality, possible something might be restricted due to not having a HD, which could be fixed for about 20 bucks. consoles aren't PC's.. just because your buying it cheap doesn't mean it has everything left out.CentricStorm

you mean game over.. wait for your free replacement console?fastr

Well, having been in the IT business for 15 years I can tell you the most common hardware failure are popped caps. In fact, I had a mobo pop a capacitor winter before last.br0kenrabbit

I didn't realize all computers come with a 5.1 surround sound speaker setup, optical cables, ethernet cables, a good gaming mouse, a VGA cord. Those features come with a console, you may need to buy a 5 dollar cord.. oh no? IF you paid enough for your pc to have good enough sound card, video card, to do those things, you STILL have to go buy the cords. Good point.. you have to buy cords for things.. ok?fastr

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]Well, having been in the IT business for 15 years I can tell you the most common hardware failure are popped caps. In fact, I had a mobo pop a capacitor winter before last.Vandalvideo

The water-based electrolytes break down emitting hydrogen gas. The gas builds up in the cap until it pops. Its a manufacturing issue componded by the fact that good caps and bad caps give the same readings until used for a good length of time.

Obviously if you want real surround sound for either, you would have to go buy it. So, provide a 150 dollar computer, that can play any game, and any game coming in the next 4-5 years. Obviously you can't, console gaming is clearly cheaper, and also, as this thread has already said, is more convenient and has much less hassle.fastr

Just went to bestbuy.com, looked at a couple towers.. they have a power cord included. nothing else.fastr

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[QUOTE="fastr"] except we're on a gaming forum, talking about gaming. Plus consoles do more then just gaming. Honestly, I could do away with my computer if I wanted, between my 360, ps3, and my droid.. it doesn't really do anything I can't do with another device. fastr

Then why don't you? Would save you a bit of money you no longer have to use for your PC

The fact that the 360 forums need a stickied thread about their broken xbox's I wouldn't say they are better... also eveyr console has its share of problems with the hardware as well as faulty disks. unlike consoles where everything is uniform, devs have to accomadate pc's with various internals and software, so its bound to happen that people have issues.

[QUOTE="fastr"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Then why don't you? Would save you a bit of money you no longer have to use for your PC

Wardemon50

I'll give you a list of my console problems.

1. Unable to get DLC in my region

2. RROD

3. Unable to connect to MW2 PS3 after update, I can't do anything about it and MANY MANY people are having this problem.

4. GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, Gears of War and Bayonetta all unable to keep a consistent framerate, all going to unable playable at times except for gears which goes really low but not unplayable

5. Having to tinker with the settings on my console just to get my games to work online (HEY I thought this was only on PC)

6. 360 Scratching my Gears 2 disc.

7. Console games being a ton more expensive than PC games

8. My PS3 freezing randomly at times.

So whatever man.

haven't had too many problems(started mid 90s).

but just in case we had better stop posting and turn it off before something happens.

Fail thread. Every system has problems.

Xbox Live doesn't accept my credit card :x

[QUOTE="fastr"]why are you bothering.. they'll never admit it no matter how true it is, or, as they are, they will try to turn it into a positive.. which is pretty funny. i5750at4Ghz

Maybe because for some of us its the truth. I've had my PC on for up to 50 days straight without a single issue. Right now my PC has been on for 7 days not a single issue.

I have had my Computer on for months at a time with no problems.

Right now it is sitting at just about 6 days.

[QUOTE="fastr"]why are you bothering.. they'll never admit it no matter how true it is, or, as they are, they will try to turn it into a positive.. which is pretty funny. i5750at4Ghz

Maybe because for some of us its the truth. I've had my PC on for up to 50 days straight without a single issue. Right now my PC has been on for 7 days not a single issue.

IMO a lifetime warranty on parts that rarely malfunction and you can fix yourself >>>> 3 year warranty that costs 100 dollars and even more to ship to the parent company and wait 2 weeks for your new console.ritz2

Pretty much this.

I even shipped my dead PSU back to bfg and they sent me back a new and better one for only the price to ship it to them which was like 8 dollars. And it only took 5 days for this to happen.

My friend sent in his dead 8800GTX and received a GTX 275.

And these warranties are lifetime.

I still can't connect to World of Warcraft with my new computer. I tried everything. Turning off the firewall, opening the ports WoW uses, WoW repair, reinstalling the game. No matter what I do, my computer gets stuck on "Authenticating," and then after a few minutes it says "Disconnected from server." I have a similar problem with Team Fortress 2, I can't connect. This is so frustrating!

I still can't connect to World of Warcraft with my new computer. I tried everything. Turning off the firewall, opening the ports WoW uses, WoW repair, reinstalling the game. No matter what I do, my computer gets stuck on "Authenticating," and then after a few minutes it says "Disconnected from server." I have a similar problem with Team Fortress 2, I can't connect. This is so frustrating!

GeoffZak

Reset your router and check the configuration on it.

I still can't connect to World of Warcraft with my new computer. I tried everything. Turning off the firewall, opening the ports WoW uses, WoW repair, reinstalling the game. No matter what I do, my computer gets stuck on "Authenticating," and then after a few minutes it says "Disconnected from server." I have a similar problem with Team Fortress 2, I can't connect. This is so frustrating!

GeoffZak

I get that same problem with MW2 on PS3, gets stuck on Fetching playlist. My net works fine with WOW and TF2 though..

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

I still can't connect to World of Warcraft with my new computer. I tried everything. Turning off the firewall, opening the ports WoW uses, WoW repair, reinstalling the game. No matter what I do, my computer gets stuck on "Authenticating," and then after a few minutes it says "Disconnected from server." I have a similar problem with Team Fortress 2, I can't connect. This is so frustrating!

Hakkai007

Reset your router and check the configuration on it.

I tried that too. It caused even more problems. But everything is alright now. I still can't play TF2 or WoW, but I'm connected to the internet. But for some reason, Halo PC's online multiplayer works just fine.

Console gaming is obviously more simple than PC gaming. This doesn't make PC gaming complicated and difficult. PC gaming is pretty straight forward and easy these days. It's like the difference between Velcro and tie-shoes.

Oh yes, there has never been a case where a console freeze up, or get bricked, not to mention updates sometimes budge up the system... oh wait...

So... basicly the consoles has the exact same problems as the pc most of the time, and gets ignored? how... low.

Oh and for laughs look up the failurerates on the 360 AND the PS3... good read... bad omen.

*sigh* ofcourse there are problems with the pc, it is an open platform afterall, not everything is garanteed to work if the user does not know how to use it, apart from that, the consoles are just as bad (not using the "just as good" since ideally none of it should happen)

I got my gaming rig last year, I didnt know anything about computers, I can now build one from scratch and I taught myself by replacing or upgrading parts that are pretty much plug in. I have had any problems installing games and have even figured out how to edit code to install mods, it is not hard to figure out if you are halfway smart. It is nowhere as easy as the ps3 or 360 but for me the better framerates and graphics make up for it, and with these steam sales games are a steal these days, I used to not think so.

[QUOTE="ritz2"]IMO a lifetime warranty on parts that rarely malfunction and you can fix yourself >>>> 3 year warranty that costs 100 dollars and even more to ship to the parent company and wait 2 weeks for your new console.Hakkai007

Pretty much this.

I even shipped my dead PSU back to bfg and they sent me back a new and better one for only the price to ship it to them which was like 8 dollars. And it only took 5 days for this to happen.

My friend sent in his dead 8800GTX and received a GTX 275.

And these warranties are lifetime.

[QUOTE="ritz2"]IMO a lifetime warranty on parts that rarely malfunction and you can fix yourself >>>> 3 year warranty that costs 100 dollars and even more to ship to the parent company and wait 2 weeks for your new console.Hakkai007

Pretty much this.

I even shipped my dead PSU back to bfg and they sent me back a new and better one for only the price to ship it to them which was like 8 dollars. And it only took 5 days for this to happen.

My friend sent in his dead 8800GTX and received a GTX 275.

And these warranties are lifetime.

Not your lifetime, though. For instance:

Product Lifetime Warranty:†
The following Kingston products are covered by this warranty for the life of the product:

What that means is that they have a scale where products are set to be outdated. For instance, if you tried to return an 8MB SIMM module to Kingston that you bought with a lifetime warranty in 1996, you'd just get it returned to you because the product is beyond its expected useful life (since 8MB SIMMs are obsolete).

I owned a PC shop for a few years, I know all about these 'Lifetime Warranties'.