PC gaming isn't all that great if it lacks the Dev support consoles get

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm sure Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Mafia, Grand Theft Auto IV, Dragon Age, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Portal, Left 4 Dead, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Battlefield and FIFA are all MMOs, RTSs and Simulators, amiright?charizard1605

all those games are on the consoles mmmmmm.......

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

PC gaming is a good source for gaming but its not in the mainstream like some people want it to be here. PC gaming wouldnt exsist to the extent it is today if it wasnt for Microsoft, and all you need to know is look how much time, money, and marketing they put into the 360. If you talk to devs, company execs, the people that actually are in the middle of this trying to make money they would laugh at the things that people in this forum try to pass off. PC gaming is the most powerful gaming, but its also the least played. People rather play PS3, 360, and WII, and play online w/ LIVE in which they are willing to pay for it. This isnt even debatable.

Hakkai007

Good thing I keep this link bookmarked.

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

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oh so because you own a graphics card which they consider a pc gaming device means you game, oh lets not go by games and software sales and lets surely not go by dev support lol, or the fact that you cant find a FPS PC exclusive since Crysis, lol or the fact that NPD doesnt even recognize the PC, or the fact that MS itself focuses on Console gaming first rather than PC gaming that runs on its own Windows 7 platform. Lets just go by an article written by a PC gamer who likes to consider PC ENTHUSISTS 62 percent of the PC market, funny funny stuff, guess they are incorporating farmville with those numbers.. hmmm also thatsA BLOG :lol:

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

all those games are on the consoles mmmmmm.......

TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

PC has WAY more exclusives.... 90% of those wouldnt sell on a console.

nameless12345

Even id had to start from somewhere. Prior to Wolf 3D and Doom, their most well-known game was Commander Keen which wasn't exactly that appealing even back then when compared to console and Amiga platformers. I'd say a big part of the big hitters had very humble beginnings. For all we know, those obscure Russian devs may become gaming gods someday.

I was certainly taking a big chance when I pre-ordered Doom for the PC a year in advance. My faith in id certainly wasn't misplaced.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm sure Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Mafia, Grand Theft Auto IV, Dragon Age, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Portal, Left 4 Dead, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Battlefield and FIFA are all MMOs, RTSs and Simulators, amiright?charizard1605

all those games are on the consoles mmmmmm.......

i never said it wasnt, and I own a PC rig that plays games and I will get the PC games thats why I said is MAdden on it, but the fact is consoles are where devs are focused on, dont blame me, blame the people who are making the games. PC gaming is 2nd rate in terms of focus when it comes to the gaming market by devs and by business execs

[QUOTE="nameless12345"][QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

PC has WAY more exclusives.... 90% of those wouldnt sell on a console.

Eggimannd

So why does PC have more high scoring exclusives than all 3 consoles combined?

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[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

PC gaming is a good source for gaming but its not in the mainstream like some people want it to be here. PC gaming wouldnt exsist to the extent it is today if it wasnt for Microsoft, and all you need to know is look how much time, money, and marketing they put into the 360. If you talk to devs, company execs, the people that actually are in the middle of this trying to make money they would laugh at the things that people in this forum try to pass off. PC gaming is the most powerful gaming, but its also the least played. People rather play PS3, 360, and WII, and play online w/ LIVE in which they are willing to pay for it. This isnt even debatable.

ProjectNatalFan

Good thing I keep this link bookmarked.

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

/thread

oh so because you own a graphics card which they consider a pc gaming device means you game, oh lets not go by games and software sales and lets surely not go by dev support lol, or the fact that you cant find a FPS PC exclusive since Crysis, lol or the fact that NPD doesnt even recognize the PC, or the fact that MS itself focuses on Console gaming first rather than PC gaming that runs on its own Windows 7 platform. Lets just go by an article written by a PC gamer who likes to consider PC ENTHUSISTS 62 percent of the PC market, funny funny stuff, guess they are incorporating farmville with those numbers.. hmmm also thatsA BLOG :lol:

yeah why not lol, wasnt there last year either, but its ok pc gaming is all about RTS MMO and simulators just as you proved.

ProjectNatalFan

Really now?

Because from this list of exclusive PC games this gen I see WRPG´s,FPS´s,sports games,racing games,adventure games,survival horror games,action RPG´s,TBS,etc...

:roll:

And most of those games here are AE,AAE or AAAE.

Games don't need to use all of the "technical prowess" that PC's have to offer for them to look and perform better than console games.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

all those games are on the consoles mmmmmm.......

i never said it wasnt, and I own a PC rig that plays games and I will get the PC games thats why I said is MAdden on it, but the fact is consoles are where devs are focused on, dont blame me, blame the people who are making the games. PC gaming is 2nd rate in terms of focus when it comes to the gaming market by devs and by business execs

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

yeah why not lol, wasnt there last year either, but its ok pc gaming is all about RTS MMO and simulators just as you proved.

Arach666

Because from this list of exclusive PC games this gen I see WRPG´s,FPS´s,sports games,racing games,adventure games,survival horror games,action RPG´s,TBS,etc...

:roll:

And most of those games here are AE,AAE or AAAE.

the fact that was even made shows how sensative PC gamers are these days, lol, anyway good day PC gaming is winning the system wars battle we know.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

PC gaming is a good source for gaming but its not in the mainstream like some people want it to be here. PC gaming wouldnt exsist to the extent it is today if it wasnt for Microsoft, and all you need to know is look how much time, money, and marketing they put into the 360. If you talk to devs, company execs, the people that actually are in the middle of this trying to make money they would laugh at the things that people in this forum try to pass off. PC gaming is the most powerful gaming, but its also the least played. People rather play PS3, 360, and WII, and play online w/ LIVE in which they are willing to pay for it. This isnt even debatable.

ProjectNatalFan

Good thing I keep this link bookmarked.

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

/thread

oh so because you own a graphics card which they consider a pc gaming device means you game, oh lets not go by games and software sales and lets surely not go by dev support lol, or the fact that you cant find a FPS PC exclusive since Crysis, lol or the fact that NPD doesnt even recognize the PC, or the fact that MS itself focuses on Console gaming first rather than PC gaming that runs on its own Windows 7 platform. Lets just go by an article written by a PC gamer who likes to consider PC ENTHUSISTS 62 percent of the PC market, funny funny stuff, guess they are incorporating farmville with those numbers.. hmmm also thatsA BLOG :lol:

He uses facts to point out the statistics.

It is true that PC gaming generates 43% of the gaming revenue and the next up is 24% being the Wii.

PC gaming is booming.

Why should I listen to a console fan boy like you?

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Which tells you that PC gaming is still relevant...?charizard1605

i never said it wasnt, and I own a PC rig that plays games and I will get the PC games thats why I said is MAdden on it, but the fact is consoles are where devs are focused on, dont blame me, blame the people who are making the games. PC gaming is 2nd rate in terms of focus when it comes to the gaming market by devs and by business execs

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

yeah why not lol, wasnt there last year either, but its ok pc gaming is all about RTS MMO and simulators just as you proved.

ProjectNatalFan

Because from this list of exclusive PC games this gen I see WRPG´s,FPS´s,sports games,racing games,adventure games,survival horror games,action RPG´s,TBS,etc...

:roll:

And most of those games here are AE,AAE or AAAE.

the fact that was even made shows how sensative PC gamers are these days, lol, anyway good day PC gaming is winning the system wars battle we know.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Good thing I keep this link bookmarked.

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

/thread

Hakkai007

oh so because you own a graphics card which they consider a pc gaming device means you game, oh lets not go by games and software sales and lets surely not go by dev support lol, or the fact that you cant find a FPS PC exclusive since Crysis, lol or the fact that NPD doesnt even recognize the PC, or the fact that MS itself focuses on Console gaming first rather than PC gaming that runs on its own Windows 7 platform. Lets just go by an article written by a PC gamer who likes to consider PC ENTHUSISTS 62 percent of the PC market, funny funny stuff, guess they are incorporating farmville with those numbers.. hmmm also thatsA BLOG :lol:

He uses facts to point out the statistics.

It is true that PC gaming generates 43% of the gaming revenue and the next up is 24% being the Wii.

PC gaming is booming.

Why should I listen to a console fan boy like you?

You shouldn't :|

Aside from Shooters and RTS games, what genres have games released this generation that truly take advantage of all the technical prowess of modern gaming computers that could not have been enjoyed in a cheaper more user friendly manner on a console, what good is a gtx480 if I'm not into Mass Effect or The Witcher and I want to play some FF or other Japanese RPGs, Fightining games and worse yet, the first party franchises consoles have, like Halo, Mario, Gran Turismo etc

Everything from Steam to Mods is absolutely great and i understand why PC gamers love them, however the games some people want to play are not always on PC, its the old cliché, gaming is never about the hardware but always about the games.

TheOldOlder

But the truth is that piracy is really hurting PC gaming. Why release Crysis 2 only for the PC and sell a little over a million copies when they can release it for the consoles too and sell atleast three million copies? Besides The Sims series and Blizzard games, PC game sales are low in comparison to console games sales.nameless12345

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]But the truth is that piracy is really hurting PC gaming. Why release Crysis 2 only for the PC and sell a little over a million copies when they can release it for the consoles too and sell atleast three million copies? Besides The Sims series and Blizzard games, PC game sales are low in comparison to console games sales.Arach666

But the truth is that piracy is really hurting PC gaming. Why release Crysis 2 only for the PC and sell a little over a million copies when they can release it for the consoles too and sell atleast three million copies? Besides The Sims series and Blizzard games, PC game sales are low in comparison to console games sales.nameless12345

It had little/no advertising. :| You can't buy something that you don't know doesn't exist. :|

Piracy is a very serious problem on the PC platfrom, thats why many publishers frown at the PC, I guess thats why Microsoft didnt release Alan Wake for it.TheOldOlder

MS just announced 3 games (IIRC) for the PC. I doubt that's the reason Alan Wake didn't make it.

Good games will sell well regardless of piracy, this has been proven over the last couple of decades.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="nameless12345"] There is not an "unquestinable superiority" of the PC when it come to game preference. If I don't like sims, strategies and MMOs and don't care for those few exclusive shooters and don't feel to cash in for better graphics in multiplat games, I don't have any reasons why to get a new gaming PC.ProjectNatalFan

yeah why not lol, wasnt there last year either, but its ok pc gaming is all about RTS MMO and simulators just as you proved.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

I agree 100 percent but to say that PC gaming is as popular as console gaming is comical IMO. More exclusives, of what expansion packs? of SIM variety? of RTS? You are trying to compare exclusives but if you wanna truly compare exclusives you have to consider games like madden as exclusive to consoles because thats a game that on both xbox 360 and PS3 and it isnt on the PC, get it?

ProjectNatalFan

where is madden for PC this year???? please tell me

Piracy is a very serious problem on the PC platfrom, thats why many publishers frown at the PC, I guess thats why Microsoft didnt release Alan Wake for it.TheOldOlder

Is that why there are more PC exclusive developers than console? Tell me who's putting the $$$ for the next big Xbox 360 exclusives Halo Reach, and Gears of War 3......Published by Microsoft

What are the next big PS3 exclusives coming up? GT5, LBP, maybe Sly Cooper. Published by Sony

Yet this gen games like STALKER have sold over 4 million copies. The Witcher sold over 1.5 million. These devs actually have a name now because of THE PC. Developers like Stardock don't even advertise their games and sell hundreds of thousands on the PC (they're PC exclusive because it's the most profitable platform for them).

And just think. The largest 3rd party developer/publisher in the world is Activision/Blizzard. They make over 70% of their profits from the PC. They dwarf all other 3rd party developers in size.

Piracy is blown out of proportion because of the misconceptions on why it's done, and how many sales are lost because of it. I'd like to think that the hundreds of 3rd party exclusive PC games that have come out over the passed few years would be proof enough that piracy is not as big an issue as people like to think, but I guess not.

Oh, and btw the guys who made Alan Wake? Their previous games were million+ sellers on the PC.... So good luck with the whole "piracy" thing

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] So you'll just disregard RTSs then? IS that what you are saying? BTW, Madden and FIFA are also released yearly on the PC. Just saying.SAGE_OF_FIRE

where is madden for PC this year???? please tell me

That´s why those games aren´t usually on the PC(although Fifa 11 will),because PC gamers wouldn´t really let themselves be milked to buy "updated" content every year.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]But the truth is that piracy is really hurting PC gaming. Why release Crysis 2 only for the PC and sell a little over a million copies when they can release it for the consoles too and sell atleast three million copies? Besides The Sims series and Blizzard games, PC game sales are low in comparison to console games sales.TheOldOlder

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Is today like anti PC day or something in System Wars?nameless12345

The pro-console gamers who make these kinds of threads fail to realize one thing. All games are PC games to start with. No PCs, no console games. Fact.

Piracy on consoles is just as big or bigger than PC piracy, just you do not hear about it. Publishers don't want to publicize it as then their arguments of PC game piracy would be negated.

Consoles can only dream of being able to do this in any way.

the games some people want to play are not always on PC,

TheOldOlder

this is dumb, this is so dumb. i hate it when people define themselves by the things they own "i own a console so im gonna be passive agressive towards pc gamers because i feel insecure because somebody has something that does somethings better than what i have." this goes both ways, and its just as stupid both ways.

developers have given it enough support this generation alone that it has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined and more high scoring overall games than any one console.

Is today like anti PC day or something in System Wars?charizard1605

It's every day like that on System Wars. People can't stand the thought that there's something better out there than what they own, hence the constant need to come up with contrived arguments to defend their 'honor'.

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"]Piracy is a very serious problem on the PC platfrom, thats why many publishers frown at the PC, I guess thats why Microsoft didnt release Alan Wake for it.lundy86_4

MS just announced 3 games (IIRC) for the PC. I doubt that's the reason Alan Wake didn't make it.

Aside from Shooters and RTS games, what genres have games released this generation that truly take advantage of all the technical prowess of modern gaming computers that could not have been enjoyed in a cheaper more user friendly manner on a console, what good is a gtx480 if I'm not into Mass Effect or The Witcher and I want to play some FF or other Japanese RPGs, Fightining games and worse yet, the first party franchises consoles have, like Halo, Mario, Gran Turismo etc

Everything from Steam to Mods is absolutely great and i understand why PC gamers love them, however the games some people want to play are not always on PC, its the old cliché, gaming is never about the hardware but always about the games.

TheOldOlder

I guess this is where I come in to nitpick yet another banal PC hating thread.

'Aside from Shooters and RTS games, what genres have games released this generation that truly take advantage of all the technical prowess of modern gaming'

So you're putting aside a system's strengths just because it is inconvenient in your argument? Wow, what utter idiocy. Would an argument that states 'Apart from all the good games on consoles, what makes a console even worth getting?' stand up as a valid argument? No because it is utterly stupid and heavily flawed, much like your argument.

what good is a gtx480 if I'm not into Mass Effect or The Witcher and I want to play some FF or other Japanese RPGs, Fightining games

What good is a console if I despise all the games on it? Once again, that isn't even an argument. Next time don't present your preferences/opinion as facts without factual information.

the first party franchises consoles have, like Halo, Mario, Gran Turismo etc

Then you buy another console to play those on, Jesus Christ those aren't even on the same system so if you own a Playstation 3 and you want to play Mario then you get a Wii. Same situation if you even have a PC.

Everything from Steam to Mods is absolutely great and i understand why PC gamers love them,

Ding! Ding! A valid comment! Was wondering if this thread even had some.

however the games some people want to play are not always on PC

Refer to my previous statement about buying another system.

its the old cliché

'It's the old cliche', OK now I know you know absolutely bloody nothing about PC gaming at all. Ever even bothered to look at the spreadsheet? Because that debunks any inane claim that PC games are 'cliched'.

gaming is never about the hardware but always about the games.

Without hardware videogames will cease to be. From what you wrote I guess you wouldn't mind playing Uncharted 2 as a text adventure?

Aside from Shooters and RTS games, what genres have games released this generation that truly take advantage of all the technical prowess of modern gaming computers that could not have been enjoyed in a cheaper more user friendly manner on a console, what good is a gtx480 if I'm not into Mass Effect or The Witcher and I want to play some FF or other Japanese RPGs, Fightining games and worse yet, the first party franchises consoles have, like Halo, Mario, Gran Turismo etc

Everything from Steam to Mods is absolutely great and i understand why PC gamers love them, however the games some people want to play are not always on PC, its the old cliché, gaming is never about the hardware but always about the games.

TheOldOlder