PC gaming ruining devs and franchises?

WOW needs to be challenged and taken on anyways, the more the better, you do realize competition is better for gaming right?

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

One is an MMO? with a monthly fee? thats why they are sellouts. Although the more I think about it the more I just find it hard to blame them.... with all the money the PC crowd is willing to spend in monthly fees its easy to just want to go there.

alfredooo

Only a small portion of the PC library is fee-based :?

That's fair, but for all the money they earn, they are still an extremely small percentile. Is it worth worrying about a portion of the library (small, at that) who are willing to pay a monthly fee?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

haberman told me a few posts ago that the story will be told through references so I just went with it. I'm not stating this as an absolute truth, no one except Bioware can, but it just seems the most likely outcome, imo. If it was told solely through references I don't see how you can keep saying it would be the same as KotOR 2, where Revan's story isn't finished and the actions of your character could affect how his story ends. That's not why they are sellouts tho, I don't know why I keep arguing about this when I'm not as familiar with the SW as you are. My main issue is with Bioware computizing the game to sell it to the $15-a-month-paying -PC-crowd.

alfredooo

but guess what? revan's ONLY involvement in kotor 2 are references, flashbacks, and visions. that's it. how is that any different than what can be done with kotor 3, 4, 5, 6...(what bioware said)? how is revan's story finished?

oh my god. you need to elaborate instead of repeating. how is it selling out? stop saying the "$15-a-month-paying-pc-crowd". it's a game. so what? the $15 a month just means there will be additional content aka more story. that's a good thing. and again, why is this selling out when bioware making a console version of the first kotor game not selling out?

As I said, its different because you are techniquely still playing through it. Your character's actions in KotOR still affect the outcome of Revan's story. So far, it seems this won't be case with TOR, I don't know, I'm not familiar with the SW universe.

I don't see how Bioware would be selling out by making a console version of the 1st two games.... they were on consoles from the star. In fact, I think the xbox version came out before the PC one. And I thought I was making it clear, sorry about that, they are sellouts because instead of finishing the story with a great SP RPG they are making an MMO so they can charge monthly fees from the PC crowd while they will keep milking the same game for years and years.

no you are not. it's a side story. so is the next game. revan is only part of the kotor story and the kotor story is continuing.

can you please, please, please read some info about the game? please?

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

but guess what? revan's ONLY involvement in kotor 2 are references, flashbacks, and visions. that's it. how is that any different than what can be done with kotor 3, 4, 5, 6...(what bioware said)? how is revan's story finished?

oh my god. you need to elaborate instead of repeating. how is it selling out? stop saying the "$15-a-month-paying-pc-crowd". it's a game. so what? the $15 a month just means there will be additional content aka more story. that's a good thing. and again, why is this selling out when bioware making a console version of the first kotor game not selling out?

CaseyWegner

As I said, its different because you are techniquely still playing through it. Your character's actions in KotOR still affect the outcome of Revan's story. So far, it seems this won't be case with TOR, I don't know, I'm not familiar with the SW universe.

I don't see how Bioware would be selling out by making a console version of the 1st two games.... they were on consoles from the star. In fact, I think the xbox version came out before the PC one. And I thought I was making it clear, sorry about that, they are sellouts because instead of finishing the story with a great SP RPG they are making an MMO so they can charge monthly fees from the PC crowd while they will keep milking the same game for years and years.

no you are not. it's a side story. so is the next game. revan is only part of the kotor story and the kotor story is continuing.

can you please, please, please read some info about the game? please?

We have argued for pages about this when I barely know anything about the SW universe. While I believe they won't, in the end they might or might not have a proper conclusion to Revan's story. Maybe some guy tells you how it all ends through dialogue in the first few seconds of the game (which would suck), or maybe Revan is still alive and we get to play his story through the end (awesome). We don't know, I will give you that, but the game is still heavily computized and the guys at Bioware (and Bungie) are still a bunch of sellouts.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

As I said, its different because you are techniquely still playing through it. Your character's actions in KotOR still affect the outcome of Revan's story. So far, it seems this won't be case with TOR, I don't know, I'm not familiar with the SW universe.

I don't see how Bioware would be selling out by making a console version of the 1st two games.... they were on consoles from the star. In fact, I think the xbox version came out before the PC one. And I thought I was making it clear, sorry about that, they are sellouts because instead of finishing the story with a great SP RPG they are making an MMO so they can charge monthly fees from the PC crowd while they will keep milking the same game for years and years.

alfredooo

no you are not. it's a side story. so is the next game. revan is only part of the kotor story and the kotor story is continuing.

can you please, please, please read some info about the game? please?

We have argued for pages about this when I barely know anything about the SW universe. While I believe they won't, in the end they might or might not have a proper conclusion to Revan's story. Maybe some guy tells you how it all ends through dialogue in the first few seconds of the game (which would suck), or maybe Revan is still alive and we get to play his story through the end (awesome). We don't know, I will give you that, but the game is still heavily computized and the guys at Bioware (and Bungie) are still a bunch of sellouts.

you mean they sold out when they made kotor for a console?

Alfredooo

you're silence to the elaboration that you demanded speaks very loudly. Very.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

no you are not. it's a side story. so is the next game. revan is only part of the kotor story and the kotor story is continuing.

can you please, please, please read some info about the game? please?

CaseyWegner

We have argued for pages about this when I barely know anything about the SW universe. While I believe they won't, in the end they might or might not have a proper conclusion to Revan's story. Maybe some guy tells you how it all ends through dialogue in the first few seconds of the game (which would suck), or maybe Revan is still alive and we get to play his story through the end (awesome). We don't know, I will give you that, but the game is still heavily computized and the guys at Bioware (and Bungie) are still a bunch of sellouts.

you mean they sold out when they made kotor for a console?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

We have argued for pages about this when I barely know anything about the SW universe. While I believe they won't, in the end they might or might not have a proper conclusion to Revan's story. Maybe some guy tells you how it all ends through dialogue in the first few seconds of the game (which would suck), or maybe Revan is still alive and we get to play his story through the end (awesome). We don't know, I will give you that, but the game is still heavily computized and the guys at Bioware (and Bungie) are still a bunch of sellouts.

alfredooo

you mean they sold out when they made kotor for a console?

pc developers making a game for consoles so that it would sell more?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

We have argued for pages about this when I barely know anything about the SW universe. While I believe they won't, in the end they might or might not have a proper conclusion to Revan's story. Maybe some guy tells you how it all ends through dialogue in the first few seconds of the game (which would suck), or maybe Revan is still alive and we get to play his story through the end (awesome). We don't know, I will give you that, but the game is still heavily computized and the guys at Bioware (and Bungie) are still a bunch of sellouts.

alfredooo

you mean they sold out when they made kotor for a console?

Go back to running Crysis maxed out with your crappy Integrated Graphics Unit.

Alfredooo

you're silence to the elaboration that you demanded speaks very loudly. Very.

zeta

I'm sorry bro, tbh it was tl;dr until now, but you are referring more about my PC is dying topic, right?

I think you are, anyways, I agree with you lots of games are meant for PC and others for the consoles. However, genres in gaming have their ups and downs so the fact that the PC has some types of games that are not doable on consoles doesn't mean that it can't die. As for the rest, what you are basically doing is providing your arguments as to why PC won't die and touching on some deep stuff about the nature of System Wars. I won't touch on the latter as even to people like me, who have spent a great deal of time observing SW, the overall nature of it is still a great mystery. Anyways, regarding "PC is dying", even I don't believe it will happen in the near future, it will be a slow process that will take perhaps decades. It's just my prediction, if you think I'm full of it, then I'm open to talk about specifics.

Developers are abandoning the console market to try to grab a piece of the PC's WoW crowd.

alfredooo

this is delusional. if anything, it's the other way around.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you mean they sold out when they made kotor for a console?

agpickle

You mean like Baldur's gate? :| That's a different series:| Kotor was designed with both console and PC in mind, then Bioware decided they were gonna be a bunch of sellouts and computize the series.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"] kotor 1 came out for the xbox before the PC (just checked GS) so I don't see why you would think that :|. Now, computizing the game's format so you can charge monthly fees? yes, that's selling out.

alfredooo

You mean like Baldur's gate? :| That's a different series:| Kotor was designed with both console and PC in mind, then Bioware decided they were gonna be a bunch of sellouts and computize the series.

and the old republic is designed for the pc...back to its roots. it's nice to see bioware no longer selling out. they can now make the game all it could be.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="agpickle"]You don't know any of Bioware's history prior to KOTOR, do you?

CaseyWegner

You mean like Baldur's gate? :| That's a different series:| Kotor was designed with both console and PC in mind, then Bioware decided they were gonna be a bunch of sellouts and computize the series.

and the old republic is designed for the pc...back to its roots. it's nice to see bioware no longer selling out. they can now make the game all it could be.

It's an MMO. Bioware's roots are not MMOs.... they completely sold out. If they had gone to the PC to just make a great SP RPG without monthly fees (like they are know for) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. That would be going back to their roots. Making an MMO for the moneyzz and milkage is not.

Go back to running Crysis maxed out with your crappy Integrated Graphics Unit.

Vesica_Prime

I uninstalled it. There is better games out there and sadly I have a limited amount of space.

Also, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't speak like that about my hardware, good sir. If you have nothing to contribute the discussion please leave my topic. Thank you.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

You mean like Baldur's gate? :| That's a different series:| Kotor was designed with both console and PC in mind, then Bioware decided they were gonna be a bunch of sellouts and computize the series.

alfredooo

and the old republic is designed for the pc...back to its roots. it's nice to see bioware no longer selling out. they can now make the game all it could be.

It's an MMO. Bioware's roots are not MMOs.... they completely sold out. If they had gone to the PC to just make a great SP RPG without monthly fees (like they are know for) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. That would be going back to their roots. Making an MMO for the moneyzz and milkage is not.

Where did Bungie start?

Where did Epic start?

Where did Bethesda start?

Where did Infinity Ward start?

Thats right THE PC. If anything, PC births devs not ruins them. WoW has 12 million users, In case you haven't noticed thats a substantial number of people liking MMOs. It doesn't mean if you don't play them others don't. If TOR turns out to be a success then Bioware will have more revenue to make more games.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and the old republic is designed for the pc...back to its roots. it's nice to see bioware no longer selling out. they can now make the game all it could be.

CaseyWegner

It's an MMO. Bioware's roots are not MMOs.... they completely sold out. If they had gone to the PC to just make a great SP RPG without monthly fees (like they are know for) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. That would be going back to their roots. Making an MMO for the moneyzz and milkage is not.

The platform its on is almost irrelevant. What matters is that for the FIRST TIME its going to be an MMO with a monthly fee. How is this back to their roots?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

It's an MMO. Bioware's roots are not MMOs.... they completely sold out. If they had gone to the PC to just make a great SP RPG without monthly fees (like they are know for) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. That would be going back to their roots. Making an MMO for the moneyzz and milkage is not.

alfredooo

The platform its on is almost irrelevant. What matters is that for the FIRST TIME its going to be an MMO with a monthly fee. How is this back to their roots?

uh uh. their roots were where they got started and that's the pc. it's still a rpg that they're making. you don't know anything about the game, though, other than it's a mmo so i don't know why you keep going on and on about this. it's nothing like world of warcraft. they aren't selling out.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"] no. this way they can tell a greater story with the full capabilities of the pc. pc games are bioware's roots. please end your double standard.

CaseyWegner

The platform its on is almost irrelevant. What matters is that for the FIRST TIME its going to be an MMO with a monthly fee. How is this back to their roots?

uh uh. their roots were where they got started and that's the pc. it's still a rpg that they're making. you don't know anything about the game, though, other than it's a mmo so i don't know why you keep going on and on about this. it's nothing like world of warcraft. they aren't selling out.

I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO? the explanation for this is clearly the fact that they sold-out to the PC crowd. Hopefully Bioware will one day realize their mistake and bring Kotor back to its roots.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

The platform its on is almost irrelevant. What matters is that for the FIRST TIME its going to be an MMO with a monthly fee. How is this back to their roots?

alfredooo

uh uh. their roots were where they got started and that's the pc. it's still a rpg that they're making. you don't know anything about the game, though, other than it's a mmo so i don't know why you keep going on and on about this. it's nothing like world of warcraft. they aren't selling out.

I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO? the explanation for this is clearly the fact that they sold-out to the PC crowd. Hopefully Bioware will one day realize their mistake and bring Kotor back to its roots.

Haha

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and you know this how? :|

CaseyWegner

based on all the whining that has taken place on SW. look at all the Crysis and DA2 threads created yesterday.

you are basing an industry prediction because of what you see a handful of people saying here? :lol:

Its the exact opposite.

Dragon age 2 and crysis 2. Those are pc franchises consolized to death to total sellouts. OMG, dragon age was a good pc game, they consolize it to hell and back. Crysis which made its money on the pc, decided to turn into a console game with press start to begin, no lean and dx9. An epic facepalm to our faces. Instead of thanking us, they cant seem to be bothered with petty pc gamers and betray everything to sell out on consoles. What the hell? Pc version should be their main focus, not consoles

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

uh uh. their roots were where they got started and that's the pc. it's still a rpg that they're making. you don't know anything about the game, though, other than it's a mmo so i don't know why you keep going on and on about this. it's nothing like world of warcraft. they aren't selling out.

CaseyWegner

I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO? the explanation for this is clearly the fact that they sold-out to the PC crowd. Hopefully Bioware will one day realize their mistake and bring Kotor back to its roots.

So? If Gears 3 was changed to be an FPS and came out on PC that would be going back to the series' roots too?

Epic was originally a PC dev and an FPS is still a shooter.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO? the explanation for this is clearly the fact that they sold-out to the PC crowd. Hopefully Bioware will one day realize their mistake and bring Kotor back to its roots.

alfredooo

So? If Gears 3 was changed to be an FPS and came out on PC that would be going back to the series' roots too?

Epic was originally a PC dev and an FPS is still a shooter.

now you're talking about the series roots? i was talking about bioware's roots. :|

I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO? the explanation for this is clearly the fact that they sold-out to the PC crowd. Hopefully Bioware will one day realize their mistake and bring Kotor back to its roots.

alfredooo

now you're talking about the series roots? i was talking about bioware's roots. :|

CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO? the explanation for this is clearly the fact that they sold-out to the PC crowd. Hopefully Bioware will one day realize their mistake and bring Kotor back to its roots.

alfredooo

now you're talking about the series roots? i was talking about bioware's roots. :|

CaseyWegner

actually it was a reply to "I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO?" :|

what have i been telling you this entire time?

what have i been telling you this entire time? :|

CaseyWegner

I know before you were talking about Bioware's roots, then I mentioned Kotor's roots and you reply telling me "a mmorg is still a rpg". If you aren't talking about Kotor's roots then say so in the same sentence. You can't expect me to know you are talking about Bioware when I was specifically talking about Kotor in my post.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]You replied to that with "a mmorpg is still a rpg."

alfredooo

what have i been telling you this entire time? :|

no. i was responding to where you said "I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO?"

their roots are pc rpgs. the old republic is a pc rpg. a mmorpg is a rpg. just give it up.

Try harder TC :(

actually it was a reply to "I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO?" :|

what have i been telling you this entire time?

CaseyWegner

Your reply to "I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO?" is:

"a mmorpg is still a rpg."? :| How does that answer the question? Yes... I know an mmorg is still an rpg but that doesn't answer my question in the least bit. :|

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

actually it was a reply to "I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO?" :|

what have i been telling you this entire time?

alfredooo

Your reply to "I ask you then why did they make the switch to an MMO?" is:

"a mmorpg is still a rpg."? :| How does that answer the question? Yes... I know an mmorg is still an rpg but that doesn't answer my question in the least bit. :|

yes it does. they switched from a rpg to a rpg. awesome. i've seen enough.