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#1 Mitjastiskovski
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http://www.petitiononline.com/dedis4mw/petition.html

I have canceled my Pre-order, screw Infinity Rip-off

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#2 dolph1073
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petitions are a waste of time
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#3 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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petitions are a waste of timedolph1073
almost exactly what i was going to say
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#4 siddhu33
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Give up already........

Remember the DMC and FFXIII petitions to keep it on PS3?? Didn't work!

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#5 siddhu33
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[QUOTE="dolph1073"]petitions are a waste of timeJandurin
almost exactly what i was going to say

Dude, you have 70000 posts???? That's awesome!

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dolph1073"]petitions are a waste of timesiddhu33

almost exactly what i was going to say

Dude, you have 70000 posts???? That's awesome!

D= I suppose that's one way to look at it.
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#7 dolph1073
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[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] almost exactly what i was going to sayJandurin

Dude, you have 70000 posts???? That's awesome!

D= I suppose that's one way to look at it.

i shall mourn your loss jandurin

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#8 PublicNuisance
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I signed it. What harm can it do, it took me 1 minute to sign it and you never know, it might work. Probably won't but there's a chance.

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#9 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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what loss? :o
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#10 Lemmywinks_360
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petitions are a waste of timedolph1073

Yes they are, but I signed it. It didn't take very long even though it's not going to matter one way or the other. There is another way to make iw and activision hurt though. :twisted:

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#11 Flanker15
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Don't underestimate the power of the simple petition, they don't do nothing.

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#12 psn8214
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dolph1073"]petitions are a waste of timesiddhu33

almost exactly what i was going to say

Dude, you have 70000 posts???? That's awesome!

Indeed it is, my friend, indeed it is...

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#13 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Give up already........

Remember the DMC and FFXIII petitions to keep it on PS3?? Didn't work!

siddhu33
That was a different kind of problem, dmc and ff13 was just a bunch of butthurt fanboys... this is not.
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#14 tbolt76
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Remember that this Call of Duty was made popular by PC Gamers who have supported the series throughout. Petition
The past doesn't seem to matter. The current iteration is being supported, more than 5:1, by consolites. PC gamers just aren't worth the trouble, sorry to say.
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#15 jakehouston88
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Get it on the PS3. :)

Free Online with no lag. ;)

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#16 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Get it on the PS3. :)

Free Online with no lag. ;)

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>.> Its free on the pc and will use the same system as the ps3. The problem is that we don't want pvp we want dedicated servers with the ability to use mods.
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#17 Trinners
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You're on the PC, there's tons of better shooters on that platform than MW2.

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#18 ShadowriverUB
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petitions are a waste of timedolph1073

Don't say that... even if it work or not, it allows to show that we don't like something what they do ;]

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#19 ShadowriverUB
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Get it on the PS3. :)

Free Online with no lag. ;)

jakehouston88

Well problem here is ping and lags will be since it's P2P and not everyone got good upload.

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#20 Brownesque
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Get it on the PS3. :)

Free Online with no lag. ;)

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Ha ha ha ha. No lag, what a joke. In case you haven't been paying attention PC gamers are complaining because the PC version will now be using the exact same networking model as the PS3 version. That's why we're angry. Here's how the networking model works on consoles: The game puts you in a room with people and then designates a player to be the "host." The host is the person everyone connects to. All of the information relevant to the game has to be filtered through his computer which means it has to be sent through your internet connection to his internet connection. But at the same time he's playing the game, and there's a conflict of interests there because his console is rendering a game and hosting a server for 16 people. He has zero latency in his access to information, meaning you get host imbalance, and if he leaves you have connection issues. If there's any problem with his connection you get connection issues or you simply drop packets resulting in lag. Lag happens on PS3, I've experienced it in my copy of Call of Duty 4 for Playstation 3 for a start. The real issue is that this will utterly decimate the online community on PC. Oh, in case you haven't realized....the console versions of this game, PARTICULARLY on PS3, HAVE NO COMMUNITY.
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#21 Cicatraz_ESP
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You're on the PC, there's tons of better shooters on that platform than MW2.

Trinners

What competitive multiplayer shooters does PC have that are better? I know it's subjective, but even if you say Crysis (it's MP is soo fail), Counter Strike (such a simple game), TF2, Battlefield, etc... None of those games offer the same kind of gameplay that Modern Warfare 2 provides, and honestly I would rather play MW2 than any of the games I listed so bleh.

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#22 Cicatraz_ESP
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[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Get it on the PS3. :)

Free Online with no lag. ;)

Brownesque

Ha ha ha ha. No lag, what a joke. In case you haven't been paying attention PC gamers are complaining because the PC version will now be using the exact same networking model as the PS3 version. That's why we're angry. Here's how the networking model works on consoles: The game puts you in a room with people and then designates a player to be the "host." The host is the person everyone connects to. All of the information relevant to the game has to be filtered through his computer which means it has to be sent through your internet connection to his internet connection. But at the same time he's playing the game, and there's a conflict of interests there because his console is rendering a game and hosting a server for 16 people. He has zero latency in his access to information, meaning you get host imbalance, and if he leaves you have connection issues. If there's any problem with his connection you get connection issues or you simply drop packets resulting in lag. Lag happens on PS3, I've experienced it in my copy of Call of Duty 4 for Playstation 3 for a start. The real issue is that this will utterly decimate the online community on PC. Oh, in case you haven't realized....the console versions of this game, PARTICULARLY on PS3, HAVE NO COMMUNITY.

How is this going to "decimate" the online community on PC? Console gamers deal with it, are PC gamers too anal to handle this? Most signs would point to yes.

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#23 rolo107
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[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Give up already........

Remember the DMC and FFXIII petitions to keep it on PS3?? Didn't work!

SAGE_OF_FIRE
That was a different kind of problem, dmc and ff13 was just a bunch of butthurt fanboys... this is not.

Depends how you look at it...
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#24 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

You're on the PC, there's tons of better shooters on that platform than MW2.

Cicatraz_ESP

What competitive multiplayer shooters does PC have that are better? I know it's subjective, but even if you say Crysis (it's MP is soo fail), Counter Strike (such a simple game), TF2, Battlefield, etc... None of those games offer the same kind of gameplay that Modern Warfare 2 provides, and honestly I would rather play MW2 than any of the games I listed so bleh.

Call of Duty 4/WAW have the exact same gameplay and the exact same graphics with most of the same weapons and mechanics except they have better networking than any version of MW2 and better community support along with mod support. You could basically mod all the stuff in MW2 into COD4, including every single one of the new weapons. There are some things you wouldn't be able to do or wouldn't be able to realistically do, but there are also things you can mod into COD4 that you can't have in MW2. Either way COD4 has a superior experience. Anyway, CSS is not a "simple game." Nor is it by any stretch of the imagination an easy game. Consider that the games you listed are only a part of PC online gaming. You've got BFBC2 coming out, Battlefield 3 in the works, ArmA 2, Battlefield 1943, Red Orchestra, Unreal....and on and on and on. If you'd rather play MW2 that's your business, but the point is that you're going to be putting up with inferior networking unless you actually put the screws on IW/Activision.
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[QUOTE="Cicatraz_ESP"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

You're on the PC, there's tons of better shooters on that platform than MW2.

What competitive multiplayer shooters does PC have that are better? I know it's subjective, but even if you say Crysis (it's MP is soo fail), Counter Strike (such a simple game), TF2, Battlefield, etc... None of those games offer the same kind of gameplay that Modern Warfare 2 provides, and honestly I would rather play MW2 than any of the games I listed so bleh.

what about modern warfare 1?
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#26 fabz_95
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Petitions don't really work but I'll sign it anyway because I think PC gamers deserve better.

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#27 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Get it on the PS3. :)

Free Online with no lag. ;)

Cicatraz_ESP

Ha ha ha ha. No lag, what a joke. In case you haven't been paying attention PC gamers are complaining because the PC version will now be using the exact same networking model as the PS3 version. That's why we're angry. Here's how the networking model works on consoles: The game puts you in a room with people and then designates a player to be the "host." The host is the person everyone connects to. All of the information relevant to the game has to be filtered through his computer which means it has to be sent through your internet connection to his internet connection. But at the same time he's playing the game, and there's a conflict of interests there because his console is rendering a game and hosting a server for 16 people. He has zero latency in his access to information, meaning you get host imbalance, and if he leaves you have connection issues. If there's any problem with his connection you get connection issues or you simply drop packets resulting in lag. Lag happens on PS3, I've experienced it in my copy of Call of Duty 4 for Playstation 3 for a start. The real issue is that this will utterly decimate the online community on PC. Oh, in case you haven't realized....the console versions of this game, PARTICULARLY on PS3, HAVE NO COMMUNITY.

How is this going to "decimate" the online community on PC? Console gamers deal with it, are PC gamers too anal to handle this? Most signs would point to yes.

An 18 page thread on the IW forums of clan leaders pledging that everyone in their clan canceled their MW2 pre-orders as a result of this news indicate that it will decimate the online community. Console gamers deal with it, but that doesn't mean they have an online community. Clan servers allow for a recruiting environment you just can't get on matchmaking and it allows for persistence and integration with the community. There's another thread on the IW forums where clan leaders are trying to constructively determine just HOW to run their clans on IW.net and most of them don't have any idea or have simply given up and decided not to buy the game or support it, leaving their support with COD4 or with DICE games. It doesn't come down to being anal, it comes down to a bunch of credulous people with no backbone believing a bunch of PR and fanboy bunk on the matter. Matchmaking doesn't lend itself to community gaming in any way shape or form. You'd simply have to try the user-run server model to understand.
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#28 ShadowriverUB
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Also M&K is much more accurate to level when ping is very important and desides who win. Most PC hardcore gamers don't like even higher then 100ms.

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#29 Brownesque
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Also M&K is much more accurate to level when ping is very important and desides who win. Most PC hardcore gamers don't like even higher then 100ms.

ShadowriverUB
I generally don't like my ping going higher than 60-70ms latency. I prefer it to be below 40ms ideally but if I have a choice I take it as low as it can get (
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#30 xxyetixx
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No one cares about PC gaming

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#31 Trinners
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

You're on the PC, there's tons of better shooters on that platform than MW2.

Cicatraz_ESP

What competitive multiplayer shooters does PC have that are better? I know it's subjective, but even if you say Crysis (it's MP is soo fail), Counter Strike (such a simple game), TF2, Battlefield, etc... None of those games offer the same kind of gameplay that Modern Warfare 2 provides, and honestly I would rather play MW2 than any of the games I listed so bleh.

All FPS are simple but that doesn't mean they don't require skill to play. Please don't tell me that MW2 is a complex FPS while calling CS a simple one. Not to mention there's other FPS like quake and UT.

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I don't get the people having obsession with mindless shooters. I beat the first COD MW in 5 hours. You run and gun in entier game with absolutely no story/plot/puzzles/bosses. I am never wasting $60 again on games like this.

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#33 Meltedweasel
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Why have pc gamers turned into such whiners lately? First it was a petition for the Diablo III thing and now this. Give it a rest, Activision doesn't care.
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No one cares about PC gaming

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#35 ShadowriverUB
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I don't get the people having obsession with mindless shooters. I beat the first COD MW in 5 hours. You run and gun in entier game with absolutely no story/plot/puzzles/bosses. I am never wasting $60 again on games like this.fun-da-mental

What they did not effect Singleplayer, It's about multiplayer here why gamers gone mad about IW desision... and you want to know why it popular to obsession level? Ask people why they like Paintball.

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[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

I don't get the people having obsession with mindless shooters. I beat the first COD MW in 5 hours. You run and gun in entier game with absolutely no story/plot/puzzles/bosses. I am never wasting $60 again on games like this.ShadowriverUB

What they did not effect Singleplayer, It's about multiplayer here why gamers gone mad about IW desision... and you want to know why it popular to obsession level? Ask people why they like Paintball.

What is so special or different about MP? It has fundamentally the same mechanics as counter strike MP.

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No one cares about PC gaming

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Yeah, and1 person could be 100 of those

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#38 GTR2addict
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this isn't going to do anything, Infinity Ward already told the community to shut up and closed all petitions except for this external one, face it, unless a very dedicated SDK developer takes time to write an SDK code for MW 2, there will be no dedicated servers
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#39 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

What they did not effect Singleplayer, It's about multiplayer here why gamers gone mad about IW desision... and you want to know why it popular to obsession level? Ask people why they like Paintball.

fun-da-mental

What is so special or different about MP? It has fundamentally the same mechanics as counter strike MP.

There is diffrence. CS is Clan Areana based, CoD is more FFA, also you got percs etc. CoD4 is best modern solider FFA MP game ;]

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#40 Brownesque
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this isn't going to do anything, Infinity Ward already told the community to shut up and closed all petitions except for this external one, face it, unless a very dedicated SDK developer takes time to write an SDK code for MW 2, there will be no dedicated serversGTR2addict
At the very least it will get people to organize against MW2 to put economic pressure until they're implemented or their business tactics change.
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#41 GTR2addict
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="xxyetixx"]

No one cares about PC gaming

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Yeah, and1 person could be 100 of those

wrong. you are not allowed to sign more than once ,the site has an IP blocker, and unless you have a changer (which not everyone has or knows how to use) you can't
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#42 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

I don't get the people having obsession with mindless shooters. I beat the first COD MW in 5 hours. You run and gun in entier game with absolutely no story/plot/puzzles/bosses. I am never wasting $60 again on games like this.fun-da-mental

What they did not effect Singleplayer, It's about multiplayer here why gamers gone mad about IW desision... and you want to know why it popular to obsession level? Ask people why they like Paintball.

What is so special or different about MP? It has fundamentally the same mechanics as counter strike MP.

CSS doesn't have ironsights, auto-aim, instant melee (no melee button plus you have to change to your knife), no sprint button, no automatic grenades (you have to change to them and pull the pin).... It's really substantially different when you think about it.
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#43 GTR2addict
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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

I don't get the people having obsession with mindless shooters. I beat the first COD MW in 5 hours. You run and gun in entier game with absolutely no story/plot/puzzles/bosses. I am never wasting $60 again on games like this.fun-da-mental

What they did not effect Singleplayer, It's about multiplayer here why gamers gone mad about IW desision... and you want to know why it popular to obsession level? Ask people why they like Paintball.

What is so special or different about MP? It has fundamentally the same mechanics as counter strike MP.

horribly wrong, CS takes far more skill than any CoD game
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#44 Communistsheep
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Just pre-ordered the limited edition, IW needs all the support for making such a FUN game.

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#45 Brownesque
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Just pre-ordered the limited edition, IW needs all the support for making such a FUN game.

Communistsheep
If you think so, cool, but I didn't extract a single minute of fun from the multiplayer of COD4 on the Playstation 3.
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#46 Brownesque
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For those of you who think the petition isn't going to have an effect:

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=126560

Robert Bowling of Infinity Ward says:

"fourzerotwo: Definitely made a big wave, and the response will not be ignored. I'll ensure everyone at IW sees the petitions and responses to it."

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#47 xxyetixx
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Why should IW put that extra effort into a game that is just going to get pirated.

And yeah it can get pirated for 360 just as well, but MS is pretty good at catching those people.

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

For those of you who think the petition isn't going to have an effect:

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=126560

Robert Bowling of Infinity Ward says:

"fourzerotwo: Definitely made a big wave, and the response will not be ignored. I'll ensure everyone at IW sees the petitions and responses to it."

i don't buy it
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#49 ShadowriverUB
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Why should IW put that extra effort into a game that is just going to get pirated.

And yeah it can get pirated for 360 just as well, but MS is pretty good at catching those people.xxyetixx

Well Valve somehow can make more players to buy game then pirate it and keep dedicated servers and mods in same time

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Why should IW put that extra effort into a game that is just going to get pirated.

And yeah it can get pirated for 360 just as well, but MS is pretty good at catching those people.

xxyetixx

First of all they actually went out of there way to make the game worse by building a PC match making system, they've done simple server lists in every PC version till now so the match making system actually took much more time and money than the standard method.

Secondly you need to remember there is a little game called MW1, the original is now better than the watered down new version so this means most people aren't going to migrate to the new game.


Lastly sales is a reason they shouldn't since while the 360 version sells more the profit from the PC Version is nothing to sneeze at topping the PS3 versions profits.

This post I originally made for DC337 will explain this clearer.

By mid January 2008 the PC version had sold 383 Thousand retail BOX copies, the data says in 2007 retail sales account for 14% of PC Game sales leaving 86% for digital distribution and monthly fees( And that was a growing trend so it is likely retail accounts for more like 10% today )

So if 383 thousand was roughly 14% of the PC Versions sales in the first 2 months of release then you can conclude in the first 2 months the PC Version sold

2.726 Million copies.

You can find more evidence to support the PC Version sold roughly that many copies in the fact that we know the ORANGE BOX on PC

( which heavily outsold the console versions )

SOURCE

Doug Lombari We were very happy with both the Xbox 360 and PS3 sales. I think the Xbox 360 version did just over a million, while the PS3 version did a few hundred thousand copies. So I think when all is said and done, The Orange Box will have sold about 1.5 million copies on the console, which is great. But the game's PC sales were much stronger.
This interview was done four and a half months after the release of Orange Box.

So lets be conservative and say when Doug said "But the game's PC sales were much stronger. " means the PC Version of Orange Box at that time had sold 2+ million. ( Though I would imagine "MUCH STRONGER" meant more like 3 million )

So now if you looked at the player/server count online of COD4 you would know the game is much, much more popular than the multiplayer aspect ( Team Fortress 2 ) of Orange box.

So with all this evidence considered my 2.7 million estimate sounds very accurate.

Now lets factor in the fact that Gabe Newell said on Half life 2 his company got 7 dollars for every box copy sold, while for every digital copy they got 4x as much, 28 dollars.


Now Valve owns steam so they obviously get a higher share of profits per digital copy than others do, but lets be conservative yet again and assume that Infinity Ward gets at least double the amount of money from each digitally sold copy of the game than it does from each 360/PS3/PC Retail boxed copy.

That means for 86% of the 2.7 million sold on PC in the first two months of the game being out it go double the amount of money out of each copy than it did on the retail boxes.

That means profit wise the PC 2.7 Million sales is equal to 5.05 Million console copies of the game sold and thats in the first two months. Not as much as the 360 version, but far more than you give PC Gaming credit for.

So 10x the facts say the 360 Version sold more like twice as much and the PC version is much more profitable than the PS3 version. So in reality dc the numbers you make up are just as bad as someone saying you need to buy a PC for 5 Grand to play PC Games