PC versus Mac

You know the drill. Have at it.

no doubt that Mac's are great for what they are made for. However if you want to game you don't buy a mac plain and simple

my vote goes to PC for their upgradability

I have never understood the supposed greatness of macs, to me they have always been plainly inferior to pc's. . . haols

This. I have used macs for the last 2 years for my course, and it hasnt been anything but annoying.

i say pc because im use to the microsoft setupbigM10231

ive used it since i first touched a computer

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

Software Library, obviously.

Also, a Mac *is* a PC.

If you want to make a "vs" thread, make it Windows vs OS X.

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

gecko_hawaii13

my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themst1ka

you only have to own one to realise why they are so wonderful. I could not go back for home personal use, I still use one for work and cannot wait to get back to my mac at home:D

[QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"]

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

anshul89

Hey, it's not the PC's fault. It's the OS. I think of Windows like I think of the The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. As soon as the bubble pops, he's toast... except for real this time.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themKhansoul

you only have to own one to realise why they are so wonderful. I could not go back for home personal use, I still use one for work and cannot wait to get back to my mac at home:D

There is barely any difference. if you disagree, outline why.

I prefer PCs, but having used newer Macs running OS X, I am impressed.

I honestly would say I would be comfortable using or owning either system (Win XP/Vista or Mac OS X ), and a few years ago, I would not have dreamed of touching a Mac.

Props to Apple. Now lower your prices! :D

my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themst1ka

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"]

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

gecko_hawaii13

Hey, it's not the PC's fault. It's the OS. I think of Windows like I think of the The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. As soon as the bubble pops, he's toast... except for real this time.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themfluxorator

this wont end well

but yes i see what you mean

[QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themfluxorator

Still waiting to know what these features are.

PC of course.anshul89

for gaming, sure. audio and video production - mac, hands down.

The features you seen in Macs today, you will be seeing in Windows 4 years from now.
That's what makes them special...fluxorator

lol. Like what?

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"]

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

gecko_hawaii13

Hey, it's not the PC's fault. It's the OS. I think of Windows like I think of the The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. As soon as the bubble pops, he's toast... except for real this time.

No, its user error. My PC runs like the day I bought it. And it is a custom built rig from 4 years ago. Know why? I take care of it. Keep a rigorous maintenance schedule (monthly or more) and your PC should never slow down.

I cannot tell you how many PCs I repair for people this is simply filled with bloatware because people do not know how to keep their PCs clean and secure.

5 programs should always be installed. Spyware Blaster, Spybot S&D, Easy Cleaner, Auslogic Disk Defrag, and avast! (or similar AV program). All freeware. All great and widely recognized. No excuses.

And make sure you regulate what programs start up with the PC. Only things should be necessary system software, not AIM or MSN or all these other programs that people allow to start with the PC.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]PC of course.clone01

for gaming, sure. audio and video production - mac, hands down.

[QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"]

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

SpruceCaboose

Hey, it's not the PC's fault. It's the OS. I think of Windows like I think of the The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. As soon as the bubble pops, he's toast... except for real this time.

No, its user error. My PC runs like the day I bought it. And it is a custom built rig from 4 years ago. Know why? I take care of it. Keep a rigorous maintenance schedule (monthly or more) and your PC should never slow down.

I cannot tell you how many PCs I repair for people this is simply filled with bloatware because people do not know how to keep their PCs clean and secure.

5 programs should always be installed. Spyware Blaster, Spybot S&D, Easy Cleaner, Auslogic Disk Defrag, and avast! (or similar AV program). All freeware. All great and widely recognized. No excuses.

And make sure you regulate what programs start up with the PC. Only things should be necessary system software, not AIM or MSN or all these other programs that people allow to start with the PC.

most people hardly even know how to tell the right click button from the left one on the mouse, how do you expect them to do that?

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themPC360Wii

Still waiting to know what these features are.

Time Machine, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.
Expose, Press F3, and Expose arranges all your windows into little thumbnails on your desktop, making it easier to see whats going on.
Virtual Workspaces (Yes you can get this for Windows, but it doesn't come out of the box)
Screen Sharing (Vista only allows this over a LAN, OSX allows this anywhere)
Burn an ISO to a CD (Surprisingly Windows can't do this without 3rd Party Programs)
Stickies (Virtual Post-It notes)
Software Repositories
Desktop Cube (Flip 3D, Just faster and smoother)
Application Dock
Automated Screen-shots (No this isn't just the print-screen button)
Multitouch - Ever tried putting two fingers on a laptop touchpad and moving them apart, well now it actually does something (Depending on the program)
Cover Flow (See: iTunes)
Pre-Installed Web Server
Standard Menu Ribbon
SINGLE FILE APPLICATIONS

The ones i put in bold are the ones that i remember Macs having before Windows.

EDIT:

Not to mention Macs running Leopard run their Windows counter-parts faster.
Once Snow Leopard comes out, watch the gap increase (Avg App size halved)

[QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"]

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

anshul89

Hey, it's not the PC's fault. It's the OS. I think of Windows like I think of the The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. As soon as the bubble pops, he's toast... except for real this time.

Yeah, you could, but doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? If you're going to have gaming rig hardware, you might as well have Windows so you can play games. I suppose you could install multiple OS's, but now we're really blurring the line between "What is Mac?" and "What is PC?"

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

No, its user error. My PC runs like the day I bought it. And it is a custom built rig from 4 years ago. Know why? I take care of it. Keep a rigorous maintenance schedule (monthly or more) and your PC should never slow down.

I cannot tell you how many PCs I repair for people this is simply filled with bloatware because people do not know how to keep their PCs clean and secure.

5 programs should always be installed. Spyware Blaster, Spybot S&D, Easy Cleaner, Auslogic Disk Defrag, and avast! (or similar AV program). All freeware. All great and widely recognized. No excuses.

And make sure you regulate what programs start up with the PC. Only things should be necessary system software, not AIM or MSN or all these other programs that people allow to start with the PC.

st1ka

most people hardly even know how to tell the right click button from the left one on the mouse, how do you expect them to do that?

Then they should not complain when their computer slows down. Its akin to not bothering to learn how to check you oil in your car.

Maintenance is important with investments like a PC. Learn some basics.

[QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="gecko_hawaii13"]

Mac, because with bootcamp it owns the PC. All you need a PC for these days is games, and my MacBook Pro can handle everything I throw at it on the PC side.

It's a big relief to say, "I'm going to turn my computer on today, and it's going to run like the day I bought it!"

SpruceCaboose

Hey, it's not the PC's fault. It's the OS. I think of Windows like I think of the The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. As soon as the bubble pops, he's toast... except for real this time.

No, its user error. My PC runs like the day I bought it. And it is a custom built rig from 4 years ago. Know why? I take care of it. Keep a rigorous maintenance schedule (monthly or more) and your PC should never slow down.

I cannot tell you how many PCs I repair for people this is simply filled with bloatware because people do not know how to keep their PCs clean and secure.

5 programs should always be installed. Spyware Blaster, Spybot S&D, Easy Cleaner, Auslogic Disk Defrag, and avast! (or similar AV program). All freeware. All great and widely recognized. No excuses.

And make sure you regulate what programs start up with the PC. Only things should be necessary system software, not AIM or MSN or all these other programs that people allow to start with the PC.

Sure, if you devote your life to your computer. I see a computer as a means to make life better, not something I should have to baby to keep it running. And that's why I choose Mac: so I can live with my computer, not for it.

Time Capsule, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.fluxorator

Yeah, because data backup utilities haven't been around forever :roll:

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themfluxorator

Still waiting to know what these features are.

Time Capsule, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.

Is that it? ...

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

No, its user error. My PC runs like the day I bought it. And it is a custom built rig from 4 years ago. Know why? I take care of it. Keep a rigorous maintenance schedule (monthly or more) and your PC should never slow down.

I cannot tell you how many PCs I repair for people this is simply filled with bloatware because people do not know how to keep their PCs clean and secure.

5 programs should always be installed. Spyware Blaster, Spybot S&D, Easy Cleaner, Auslogic Disk Defrag, and avast! (or similar AV program). All freeware. All great and widely recognized. No excuses.

And make sure you regulate what programs start up with the PC. Only things should be necessary system software, not AIM or MSN or all these other programs that people allow to start with the PC.

SpruceCaboose

most people hardly even know how to tell the right click button from the left one on the mouse, how do you expect them to do that?

Then they should not complain when their computer slows down. Its akin to not bothering to learn how to check you oil in your car.

Maintenance is important with investments like a PC. Learn some basics.

yeah that makes no sense

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themPC360Wii

Still waiting to know what these features are.

Time Capsule, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.

Is that it? ...

I edited the post, scroll up.

I prefer PCs, but having used newer Macs running OS X, I am impressed.

I honestly would say I would be comfortable using or owning either system (Win XP/Vista or Mac OS X ), and a few years ago, I would not have dreamed of touching a Mac.

Props to Apple. Now lower your prices! :D

SpruceCaboose

Time Machine, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.
Expose, Press F3, and Expose arranges all your windows into little thumbnails on your desktop, making it easier to see whats going on.
Virtual Workspaces (Yes you can get this for Windows, but it doesn't come out of the box)
Screen Sharing (Vista only allows this over a LAN, OSX allows this anywhere)
Burn an ISO to a CD (Surprisingly Windows can't do this without 3rd Party Programs)
Stickies (Virtual Post-It notes)
Software Repositories
Desktop Cube (Flip 3D, Just faster and smoother)
Application Dock
Automated Screen-shots (No this isn't just the print-screen button)
Multitouch - Ever tried putting two fingers on a laptop touchpad and moving them apart, well now it actually does something (Depending on the program)
Cover Flow (See: iTunes)
Pre-Installed Web Server
Standard Menu Ribbon
SINGLE FILE APPLICATIONS

The ones i put in bold are the ones that i remember Macs having before Windows.

fluxorator

Most of which Apple copied from Linux and the open source community.

Wow, this is rich coming from someone who's trying to use this as ammunition against Windows for its implementation of features from other operating systems.

Even though I have both, my first experience with a computer was with a Mac we had a long time ago, then we got those iMacs that came in different colors.

Later on, my dad got us a prebuilt windows PC and my brother installed Sim City on it and I was so addicted to that game! I like the fact that you can customize and upgrade the hardware for your PC but you can't use OS X on it, only Windows, so it's like forcing me to use Windows if I want to game and upgrade hardware.

Right now we have an Aplle laptop and a custom built gaming PC, i use the laptop whenever I'm in the livingroom or don't feel like sitting on a desk chair and what not. Plus, Macs are easy to use and all but Windows always comes out in the end for me.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themfluxorator

Still waiting to know what these features are.

Time Machine, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.
Expose, Press F3, and Expose arranges all your windows into little thumbnails on your desktop, making it easier to see whats going on.
Virtual Workspaces (Yes you can get this for Windows, but it doesn't come out of the box)
Screen Sharing (Vista only allows this over a LAN, OSX allows this anywhere)
Burn an ISO to a CD (Surprisingly Windows can't do this without 3rd Party Programs)
Stickies (Virtual Post-It notes)
Software Repositories
Desktop Cube (Flip 3D, Just faster and smoother)
Application Dock
Automated Screen-shots (No this isn't just the print-screen button)
Multitouch - Ever tried putting two fingers on a laptop touchpad and moving them apart, well now it actually does something (Depending on the program)
Cover Flow (See: iTunes)
Pre-Installed Web Server
Standard Menu Ribbon
SINGLE FILE APPLICATIONS

The ones i put in bold are the ones that i remember Macs having before Windows.

EDIT:

Not to mention Macs running Leopard run their Windows counter-parts faster.
Once Snow Leopard comes out, watch the gap increase (Avg App size halved)

[QUOTE="fluxorator"]Time Capsule, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.Velocitas8

Yeah, because data backup utilities haven't been around forever :roll:

Time Machine ain't new. But it's the best. There is nothing out there today that even comes close in comparison.
The simple interface makes it easy for anyone to use it, and its integration in the WHOLE OSX System and ALL of its native applications is what sets it apart.
For a novice user back-ing up data could be possibly dangerous if they don't know where they are sending their files.
They also need to know where this data may be.
Users also have to be experts in understanding where their missing data might be. Windows XP exposed backup shadow copies in the Explorer Previous Versions view. That's good for standalone files, but does nothing for users trying to restore data if they don't know where the file is. In the case of restoring contacts or photo albums, the data they are restoring isn't even a file, it's a component of a file.
A user with a backup of their iPhotos wouldn't be ready to go after restoring a copy of their iPhoto Library; they'd still need to parse through the directories looking for what they saved, which versions were newer, and struggle with merging the two.
Time Machine does have one new feature however, It tracks data in non-file centric model. It works like most people would expect it to, not just a systems admin.
Do Windows users even know that Outlook has stored their personal folder of contacts in: C:/Documents and Settings/username/Local Settings/Application Data/Microsoft/Outlook/user.pst? Good luck finding that and restoring it using back-up software: that file path is invisible by default!
Developers also have the option to tell TM what would be needed to be backed up. This prevents TM from backing up thousands of copies of useless data. Most back-up utilities just archive data without any regard to how useful the data actually might be.

If you're wondering what TM actually does, it takes an hourly snapshot of your computer, all its data, and saves it.
Once a day it will sift through the 24 snapshots it has taken, and remove doubles, compress re-organize, and make the 'Time Capsules' easier to use. The process then continues every week, month, 3 months, etc. Old archives eventually get thinner making way for the new ones. Obviously the more space you give TM the more it will do.

Name me one back-up utility for Windows that can do that?

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themfluxorator

Still waiting to know what these features are.

Time Machine, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago. Minor. Free Backup tools.
Expose, Press F3, and Expose arranges all your windows into little thumbnails on your desktop, making it easier to see whats going on. Yes, Ive used this and liked it, however it is a very minor thing., Windows + Tab is nearly as good.

Virtual Workspaces (Yes you can get this for Windows, but it doesn't come out of the box) So? Lazyness wins again I take it.

Screen Sharing (Vista only allows this over a LAN, OSX allows this anywhere) What? I can do it online ....

Burn an ISO to a CD (Surprisingly Windows can't do this without 3rd Party Programs) Again .... easily solved and free.
Stickies (Virtual Post-It notes)Windows Sidebar comes with Sticky Notes.
Software Repositories .... examples.
Desktop Cube (Flip 3D, Just faster and smoother) Minor Aesthetic.
Application DockOverated, I prefer Desktop Icons ( which are on macs ) and the simple windows Tray.

Automated Screen-shots (No this isn't just the print-screen button) Its nothing impressive either.

Multitouch - Ever tried putting two fingers on a laptop touchpad and moving them apart, well now it actually does something (Depending on the program) Minor.
Cover Flow (See: iTunes) Minor shallow flashy addition,typical mac product, prettyness = Multimedia centre does the job just fine. I would rather use the Itunes normal mode.

Pre-Installed Web Server ok

Standard Menu Ribbon ok

SINGLE FILE APPLICATIONS Zzzzz

The ones i put in bold are the ones that i remember Macs having before Windows.

EDIT:

Not to mention Macs running Leopard run their Windows counter-parts faster.
Once Snow Leopard comes out, watch the gap increase (Avg App size halved)

Thats nothing impressive, and alot of it is either easthetic or something not many HOME USERS would use.

Most of those of which are no longer exclusive.

[QUOTE="fluxorator"]

Time Machine, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago.
Expose, Press F3, and Expose arranges all your windows into little thumbnails on your desktop, making it easier to see whats going on.
Virtual Workspaces (Yes you can get this for Windows, but it doesn't come out of the box)
Screen Sharing (Vista only allows this over a LAN, OSX allows this anywhere)
Burn an ISO to a CD (Surprisingly Windows can't do this without 3rd Party Programs)
Stickies (Virtual Post-It notes)
Software Repositories
Desktop Cube (Flip 3D, Just faster and smoother)
Application Dock
Automated Screen-shots (No this isn't just the print-screen button)
Multitouch - Ever tried putting two fingers on a laptop touchpad and moving them apart, well now it actually does something (Depending on the program)
Cover Flow (See: iTunes)
Pre-Installed Web Server
Standard Menu Ribbon
SINGLE FILE APPLICATIONS

The ones i put in bold are the ones that i remember Macs having before Windows.

Velocitas8

Most of which Apple copied from Linux and the open source community.

Wow, this is rich coming from someone who's trying to use this as ammunition against Windows for its implementation of features from other operating systems.

In Windows, if you have an install disk saved as an ISO you have to burn it to a disk first before you can install.Luigi_Vincetana

No you don't.

Virtual image mounting software has been around for ages. It certainly wasn't something OS X invented, either (like most of the things your quoted poster listed)..so I don't see the point of mentioning it regardless.

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]my brother a mac-manic, personally i never understood what was so special about themPC360Wii

Still waiting to know what these features are.

Time Machine, try running a search of your files that were on your desktop exactly 2 weeks ago. Minor. Free Backup tools.
Expose, Press F3, and Expose arranges all your windows into little thumbnails on your desktop, making it easier to see whats going on. Yes, Ive used this and liked it, however it is a very minor thing., Windows + Tab is nearly as good.

Virtual Workspaces (Yes you can get this for Windows, but it doesn't come out of the box) So? Lazyness wins again I take it.

Screen Sharing (Vista only allows this over a LAN, OSX allows this anywhere) What? I can do it online ....

Burn an ISO to a CD (Surprisingly Windows can't do this without 3rd Party Programs) Again .... easily solved and free.
Stickies (Virtual Post-It notes)Windows Sidebar comes with Sticky Notes.
Software Repositories .... examples.
Desktop Cube (Flip 3D, Just faster and smoother) Minor Aesthetic.
Application DockOverated, I prefer Desktop Icons ( which are on macs ) and the simple windows Tray.

Automated Screen-shots (No this isn't just the print-screen button) Its nothing impressive either.

Multitouch - Ever tried putting two fingers on a laptop touchpad and moving them apart, well now it actually does something (Depending on the program) Minor.
Cover Flow (See: iTunes) Minor shallow flashy addition,typical mac product, prettyness = Multimedia centre does the job just fine. I would rather use the Itunes normal mode.

Pre-Installed Web Server ok

Standard Menu Ribbon ok

SINGLE FILE APPLICATIONS Zzzzz

The ones i put in bold are the ones that i remember Macs having before Windows.

EDIT:

Not to mention Macs running Leopard run their Windows counter-parts faster.
Once Snow Leopard comes out, watch the gap increase (Avg App size halved)

Thats nothing impressive, and alot of it is either easthetic or something not many HOME USERS would use.

Most of those of which are no longer exclusive.

Chances are if Apple sees fit, it will implement the feature directly into its OS.
Ms on the otherhand just makes proprietary version incompatible with nearly everything except itself about 4 years later and calls it 'New'

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]In Windows, if you have an install disk saved as an ISO you have to burn it to a disk first before you can install.Velocitas8

No you don't.

Virtual image mounting software has been around for ages. It certainly wasn't something OS X invented, either (like most of the things your quoted poster listed)..so I don't see the point of mentioning it regardless.

But WINDOWS can't do that.

Other programs can.
Thats the point.

But WINDOWS can't do that.

Other programs can.
Thats the point.

fluxorator

Windows can do that with its enormous software library.

That's the advantage of Windows: a software library far beyond anything OS X offers ..and that's the sole reason Windows has such a huge market share. :|

I have to say that i like being able to build my own pc (windows or linux) and upgrade without constraints.which is why fora desktop i'd go pc.

the Mac Laptops are great though.