PC versus Mac

How is a Mac with an Intell Processor and ATi/Nvidia video card more stable than a pc on an intell chipset with same processor and card? How is it easier to use a mac than a PC when they have the same OS? what features differ when using the same OS? how about customisable style? pieatorium

You know what I find frustrating? When you make an argument and you have to repeat that argument because a bunch of noobs make the same failing counter-argument again and again.

Anyway, I'm going to sum this up one more time. Are you ready?

1 This goes especially for the gamers. Quit glorifying PCs just for playing games. Any application you can run on a PC, you can run on a Mac. In answer to the question above," How is it easier to use a mac than a PC when they have the same OS?" Back when the Intel Macs first came out, I read an article in a popular computing magazine. You can google it if you like. This magazine editor, with years of experience using PCs, tested Windows on an iMac and determined that Windows ran more stable and more efficiently on a Mac.

On a personal note, I've been using Apple computers since I was seven years old. I will swear on the bible that, after using computers for 22 years, I have seen a Mac crash once. To this day, I don't know how it happened, and I almost fainted from shock when it did. I suspect the file-sharing program I was using might be responsible. I was running iTunes, Safari, LimeWire, Quicktime, and iMovie simultaneously on my iMac G4. I had been at it for quite a while, and it suddenly crashed. I was 26 at the time, and had never seen a Mac crash in my life. Fortuneately, I unplugged the computer, waited a minute, then plugged it back in and restarted it. It's worked perfectly fine ever since. One more thing, in 22 years of using Macs, I have never had a computer virus. And when I need tech support, I simply go online and get it and I don't get charged for tech support, like Windows users do.

2 To all those crying that Macs are too expensive - Are you serious? For all that Macs have to offer, including the features highlighted in the next paragraph, not to mention the sleek stile, they're worth every penny. BTW, contrary to popular opinion, you can customize a Mac. And please don't be a tool. It isn't intelligent or rational to say that Macs are inferior just because you can't afford one.

3 Why do I love my Mac? Let me count the ways..

I love the fact that I can multitask through multiple programs and windows with a single button push or mouse click instead of having to juggle through those tabs in the task bar. In addition, I love having all the apps I commonly use conveniently stored in the dock offscreen waiting for a simple move of the mouse cursor when I need them.

I love that I can take all my pictures, movie clips, artwork and other media and edit them into a original movie, even adding in effects using iMovie, which came with my computer. And to think I didn't have to spend a lot of money on extra software.

I love that I don't need extra software to have my computer read any highlighted text to me by pressing a simple button combo which I designate.

I love that I don't need a lot of office space, since my iMac is a computer, monitor, speakers, microphone, and monitor stand all in one unit.

I love that when I have multiple apps or windows minimized in the dock, they stream on the fly. I could have multiple movies playing at once. If I minimize all of them, I can watch all of them in the dock with no slowdown.

I could list more, but I'm at work and my boss is coming..

1 This goes especially for the gamers. Quit glorifying PCs just for playing games. Any application you can run on a PC, you can run on a Mac.

EnigManic

with this logic you can stop gloryfying anything OSX related as every application you can run on Mac you can run on PC.

Nowadays Mac vs Pc debate is in reality OSX vs Windows, because since the switch to Intel there's nothing special or different about Mac hardware compared to PC, it's just yet another brand of PC hardware nothing more. So it doesn't make any sense to compare Mac to PC anymore, as Macs are one of many brands of PC, so it only makes sense to compare Mac to Dell, Mac to HP etc.

...Nowadays Mac vs Pc debate is in reality OSX vs Windows, because since the switch to Intel there's nothing special or different about Mac hardware compared to PC, it's just yet another brand of PC hardware nothing more. So it doesn't make any sense to compare Mac to PC anymore, as Macs are one of many brands of PC, so it only makes sense to compare Mac to Dell, Mac to HP etc.AdrianWerner

FAIL

Obviously, you didn't read my entire post. Windows has been proven to run faster and more stable on a Mac.

Obviously, you didn't read my entire post. Windows has been proven to run faster and more stable on a Mac.

EnigManic

I have both! :o My Mac is used for SC and will be used for SC2 and/or Diablo 3. Meanwhile, I built a PC so I can play PC games. Yay PC Games!

So I have both, and I'm not complaining. Me and one of my friends have debated over this multiple times and agreed that Macs suck at gaming, and that Apple should build a gaming Mac.

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

Obviously, you didn't read my entire post. Windows has been proven to run faster and more stable on a Mac.

AdrianWerner

That's funny, because the review was written by a PC magazine editor with years of experience.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]PC of course.clone01

for gaming, sure. audio and video production - mac, hands down.

I disagree. I do a lot of audio/video production (avid, FL studio, after effects) on both systems, and find them pretty much the same.

That's funny, because the review was written by a PC magazine editor with years of experience.

EnigManic

I could just as well say OSX is a lot slower OS than Windows, because even on mac hardware Photoshop works faster in bootcamped Windows than in OSX

In reality any little diffrence in performance is propably due to configuration, as Mac runs on exactly the same hardware as windows, so there's no way any of them would perform faster

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]...Nowadays Mac vs Pc debate is in reality OSX vs Windows, because since the switch to Intel there's nothing special or different about Mac hardware compared to PC, it's just yet another brand of PC hardware nothing more. So it doesn't make any sense to compare Mac to PC anymore, as Macs are one of many brands of PC, so it only makes sense to compare Mac to Dell, Mac to HP etc.EnigManic

FAIL

Obviously, you didn't read my entire post. Windows has been proven to run faster and more stable on a Mac.

On parallels? I can say the same running hackintosh. What's funny is that you say you have to pay for help for windows. Yeah, well Apple phone tech support ends in 30(?) days, after you have to pay for ANY support through apple. Otherwise a simple call to MS or web support is FREE.

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

That's funny, because the review was written by a PC magazine editor with years of experience.

AdrianWerner

Hypocritical, don't you think? Earlier in this thread, someone bragged about a competition in which someone hacked a Mac in under a minute. Should we all base our opinion of the Mac OS's stability on one test?

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6546370.html

http://www.macwindows.com/bcreview.html

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html

Hypocritical, don't you think?EnigManic

Yep, hypocritical of you :)

Earlier in this thread, someone bragged about a competition in which someone hacked a Mac in under a minute. Should we all base our opinion of the Mac OS's stability on one test?EnigManic

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6546370.html

http://www.macwindows.com/bcreview.html

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html

EnigManic

there's nothing in any of those links that would support your claim

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6546370.html

http://www.macwindows.com/bcreview.html

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html

AdrianWerner

there's nothing in any of those links that would support your claim

Really? Did you follow the links? Because if you did, you would know that those are professional reviews citing that the iMac outperforms the PC in various aspects.

Really?EnigManic

Yes, really :)

Did you follow the links?EnigManic

I indeed did follow the links :)

Because if you did, you would know that those are professional reviews citing that the iMac outperforms the PC in various aspects.

EnigManic

Indeed, I also failed to see anything proving your claim that "that Windows ran more stable and more efficiently on a Mac."

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

Because if you did, you would know that those are professional reviews citing that the iMac outperforms the PC in various aspects.

AdrianWerner

Indeed, I also failed to see anything proving your claim that "that Windows ran more stable and more efficiently on a Mac."

How about you take the time to actually read the articles, that might help.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

Because if you did, you would know that those are professional reviews citing that the iMac outperforms the PC in various aspects.

EnigManic

Indeed, I also failed to see anything proving your claim that "that Windows ran more stable and more efficiently on a Mac."

How about you take the time to actually read the articles, that might help.

The only site that actualy managed to aproach it objectively is the last one with real benchmars, but even there they don't compare Macs and PCs with exacly the same hardware and results wary.

Bassicaly you've provided no real vidence for your claim. Which isn't surprising, because your claim is obviously false as there's no magical fairy Apple puts into each Mac that with moves of it's little wings speeds up and improves it's hardware compared to the same hardware in different box

And since this is a PC versus Mac thread, here's another.

http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/pc-magazine-apples-mac-os-is-by-far-the-best-operating-system-ever-written/

And since this is a PC versus Mac thread, here's another.

EnigManic

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

And since this is a PC versus Mac thread, here's another.AdrianWerner

call me back when mac has bigger market share than statistical margin of error :D

No links? No sources of information? Can you validate this "statistical margin of error"?

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="EnigManic"]

And since this is a PC versus Mac thread, here's another.EnigManic

call me back when mac has bigger market share than statistical margin of error :D

No links? No sources of information? Can you validate this "statistical margin of error"?

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="EnigManic"]

And since this is a PC versus Mac thread, here's another.EnigManic

call me back when mac has bigger market share than statistical margin of error :D

No links? No sources of information? Can you validate this "statistical margin of error"?

Statistical margin of error is 5% or less. Mac has 3,2% marketshare. So?

I really hate these little debates, because it's basically OS vs OS. Only that OS X seems to have a better advantage because its OS is developed around custom hardware. Plus with bootcamp, WinXP (in my experience) run faster then the OS X on the quad core that I use at work.

My setup here at work is the latest quad-core with the latest OS X Leopard. I have VMWare Fusion within OS X and OS X is pretty fast on this setup. So I boot camped the system and put XP on it. After Bootcamp has installed the drivers for the custom hardware, Windows XP is far more responsive then I have ever seen from an XP setup. Even some of the 3D games (not high end games like Half LIfe and stuff, I haven't tested that yet) has played very well! It could also be the fact that the quad-core and 2 gigs of memory helps a lot. But XP turned out to be a better OS on the Mac system then a home built machine.

Now this is strictly opinion, I'm not saying it's fact. However I see a lot that OS X is better and faster, and it seems that they dismiss the fact that OS X is designed around hardware that they choose and put together. I truly believe that both OS's are just as comparable as the other, and it just comes down to opinion and fanboyism.

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Another reason why OS X seems to have the upper hand, because everything is mostly automated. You ahve to admit that Windows is far more customizable then OS X is. OS X has these features closed to the users, because they don't want users to be f'ing with their OS to screw it up.

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OS X is no longer virus prone, because it just comes down userbase. Already they are getting their share of viruses being reported and Apple needs to step up their game a bit with security patching, because it's fact that Windows comes out with a patch almost immediately when something vulnerable is reported. I'm not saying Apple doesn't do the same, but they are not prompt as Microsoft.

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Another reason why Windows seems to crash often, is because users don't know how to take care of their sh*!t. They don't read instructions or heed warnings. It's always clicking next and continue, going to websites that they have no knowledge of. I have NO problems with my Vista, because I know how to take care of it. Well maybe just 2 weeks ago I had to format Vista because either my boy or I have went to a website by accident, and it installed a nice trojan that my Anti-Virus couldn't get rid of. Other then that tho, I had my Vista machine working flawlessly since December 2007 to a couple weeks ago.

So take care of your sh*~t and it will last longer!

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Anyways...ya

[QUOTE="EnigManic"]

No links? No sources of information? Can you validate this "statistical margin of error"?

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