PC's will always be superior, this is why.

[QUOTE="Merex760"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

they delay for the PC because the console ports are their first prority.

ProjectNatalFan

are you joking? GTA4 sold more on PS3 and 360 my friend.

Hes talking about Europe as a whole and used Germany as an example:|

MGS Europe business boss Peter Zetterberg

"But in Germany for example,

:|

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he added.

:lol:

devious742

Devious, just post everything you have and ask him/her to discredit each point with viable sources. He/she'll just flail about the debate a lot after that.

Devious, just post everything you have and ask him/her to discredit each point with viable sources. He'she'll just flail about the debate a lot after that.

lundy86_4

Indeed.

All out before devious's wall of facts goes

on this thread :P

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]has proven in the last 10 years to be in decline

ProjectNatalFan

Fine.

Prove it.

http://www.industrygamers.com/galleries/opinion-who-killed-pc-gaming/

arcs technica is very reputable, this isnt PCGA here, want more?

Then crap like this happens and it ruins your entire argument...

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/news.html?sid=6274863&mode=news

Let us also not forget that digital distribution sales are not counted in any NDA numbers or really any sales numbers what-so-ever.

The "decline" in sales has actually been a decline in retail sales with a massive increase of digitial distribution sales. The most played game in the world happens to be on the PC (World of Warcraft). I'm not counting web games because that's not really gaming.

Sales numbers alone lie. Console gamers need to keep buying new games to satisfy their gaming needs because their old games start getting boring or the communities dry out. This isn't the case for PC gaming. Many PC games made 10+ years ago still have active communities. The people who really dedicated time to these communities aren't rushing out to buy the newest games, they are sticking to what they have.

If you actually spend time in the PC world you would know that the mentality is completely different. This is something I cannot prove to you with a link. The simple fact is you post without knowing what PC gaming really is. You take gaming on face value. Sales and numbers doesn't tell the entire story for the PC like it does on the consoles. Hell even on the consoles, sales numbers don't count the many retro gamers out there who stick to the older stuff.

If you truely love a PC game, you play it for many years. You don't just throw it away when the next greatest thing comes along. This is why there are MMO communities still playing Ultima and the first version of Everquest. Tell me... can you play Halo 2 online on the Xbox? Nope. Community died. Microsoft shut it down.

Different world. One that you continually fight for no reason.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Merex760"] Better on PC.

Wasdie

That explains the terrible draw distance, abundance of glitches and PC Gamer claiming the best way to play is by 360. Frikkin PC Gamer.

I'm just responding to this one post, I have nothing against the rest.

Terrible draw distance, gilitches? I guess PC gamer hasn't played it since the latest patches. Works fine on my rig at max settings.

Well I never played the PC version, but thats their initial review. I chuckled a bit when they made a list of fun things to do, one was to lower the draw settings to play in a foggy Superman 64 world and another was to take out the guts of your system and put a 360 inside it and just play the 360 version.

Arma 2 Zombie mod

This is the greatest Arma 2 video I've ever seen. :o Take that console fanboys. 8)

Indeed.

All out before devious's wall of facts goes

on this thread :P

Mograine

Lulz.

At least his argument stirred up more people now. I was dealing with he/she for a while on my own and it was getting tiresome.

He/she often spouts things and rarely backs up anything. The most recent being PCGA is not a viable source. Even though the outsource research to individual firms such as JonPeddie (who build reputations on accurate/viable information).

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

That explains the terrible draw distance, abundance of glitches and PC Gamer claiming the best way to play is by 360. Frikkin PC Gamer.

I'm just responding to this one post, I have nothing against the rest.

SPYDER0416

Terrible draw distance, gilitches? I guess PC gamer hasn't played it since the latest patches. Works fine on my rig at max settings.

Well I never played the PC version, but thats their initial review. I chuckled a bit when they made a list of fun things to do, one was to lower the draw settings to play in a foggy Superman 64 world and another was to take out the guts of your system and put a 360 inside it and just play the 360 version.

So thats why they haven't had GOTY for 4 years ay?gamebreakerz__

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

FYI, Gamespy GOTY 2007.

Lulz.

At least his argument stirred up more people now. I was dealing with he/she for a while on my own and it was getting tiresome.

He/she often spouts things and rarely backs up anything. The most recent being PCGA is not a viable source. Even though the outsource research to individual firms such as JonPeddie (who build reputations on accurate/viable information).

lundy86_4

Notice how he stopped posting already.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Lulz.

At least his argument stirred up more people now. I was dealing with he/she for a while on my own and it was getting tiresome.

He/she often spouts things and rarely backs up anything. The most recent being PCGA is not a viable source. Even though the outsource research to individual firms such as JonPeddie (who build reputations on accurate/viable information).

Mograine

Notice how he stopped posting already.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Lulz.

At least his argument stirred up more people now. I was dealing with he/she for a while on my own and it was getting tiresome.

He/she often spouts things and rarely backs up anything. The most recent being PCGA is not a viable source. Even though the outsource research to individual firms such as JonPeddie (who build reputations on accurate/viable information).

Mograine

Notice how he stopped posting already.

He's done that in a few of my debates as well... Always funny to watch him come back, in another thread, and then say the exact same things :lol:

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]So thats why they haven't had GOTY for 4 years ay?Silverbond

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

Probably getting "proof" for his outlandish claims.Iantheone

It'll be a while. I've yet to still see the proof I requested both today and yesterday :(

Amusing how I see people fight over sales and consoles.That threads like these gets filled with the same obvious sh** .No one ever learns.capitalism25

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]So thats why they haven't had GOTY for 4 years ay?gamebreakerz__

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

PC is only superior in certain ways, but either way, GOTY's are simply decided via a vote between GS staff. Many may prefer console gaming.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

Hes talking about Europe as a whole and used Germany as an example:|

MGS Europe business boss Peter Zetterberg

"But in Germany for example,

:|

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he added.

:lol:

Study: Europe second-largest gaming market

Nielsen research reveals US ranks third behind Asia and EU in consumer spending on software; 31 percent of Europeans 16-49 in primary regions actively game.

lundy86_4

Devious, just post everything you have and ask him/her to discredit each point with viable sources. He/she'll just flail about the debate a lot after that.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]So thats why they haven't had GOTY for 4 years ay?gamebreakerz__

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

I'd say this is pretty damn indicative of PC superiority.

It certainly shows that consoles have the ability to consistantly produce the best games year after year. Please tell me how that shows the the PC will always be superior?gamebreakerz__

It doesn't need the newbies' recognition to be the best.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]So thats why they haven't had GOTY for 4 years ay?gamebreakerz__

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

naw... Im actually looking forward to what else hes gonna say..:D just for the lolz

devious742

Funnily enough, I don't blame you.

His most recent is that the PCGA reports are not viable sources.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

Merex760

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] But you are already a PC gamer, where does the convincing comes in?Robbazking

PC gamers are not "elite" No brand of gaming is "elite."

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Because GOTYs determine everything about everything amirite?

Silverbond

I'd say this is pretty damn indicative of PC superiority.

It certainly shows that consoles have the ability to consistantly produce the best games year after year. Please tell me how that shows the the PC will always be superior?gamebreakerz__

[spoiler]


[/spoiler]

^This behemoth hasn't got GotY when it came out.

You can sit on your GotY games all you want, nothing like this is ever going to happen on consoles.

The fact that so many consolites here hate on the PC makes me really lose faith in gaming. You're the real reason why motion controls are taking over, Microsoft can get away with charging more for XBL, and game prices keep going even though variety decrease.

Why do we have Call of Duty number 7 on the way? Simple, console gamers. Console gamers never want anything new, they just want a revison of something that has already been made. Why do we have 13+ Final Fantasies, 4 Halos, 7 Call of Duties, 4 MGS, 4 DMCs, to many Mario games to count... The answer is just the console gamer.

That's fine. If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead. It's threads and statements about PC gaming which really get my blood boiling. There is no just reason to HATE PC gaming. PC gaming is the last place any real innovation is happening. You name your favorite game, it can be derived from an early PC title by some small studio who had a good idea and had the means to turn that into a game.

The PC is where the new stuff happens, it's where the real changes are made to gaming. The PC is where the hardware is pushed to the limits and programmers strive to constantly program better and better stuff. The PC is the platform where indie developers can take a game like Team Fortress, a mod for Quake, and turn it into what we know it as today. It's the place where a single map can turn into an entire game genre that even is making its way onto the consoles (DotA, tower defense maps). It's the platform where the small sub-genres can live and thrive.

Why would anybody hate on this platform? It's the reason we have Halo, Call of Duty (which started on the PC no doubt), Gran Truismo, GTA... everything. The PC is the last free place to make games. The console really don't support any sort of indie game development. Companies charge tons of money just to get the development kits and licence games onto their platforms. Without the little guy, how can new ideas be put into games that really change a genre for the best?

All we got from console gaming is matchmaking and regenerating health. What we got from PC gaming and what we continue to get from PC gaming is changing what we play. The hate for the center of innovation and revolutions in gaming is alarming. This hate of PC gaming is what is stagnating gaming and turning companies onto things like motion controls and social networking in video games.

[QUOTE="Robbazking"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Good question...

Calvin079

PC gamers are not "elite" No brand of gaming is "elite."

I believe it's sarcasm, as PC gamers are often called "elitists".

stop baiting consolites.....

It need some cleaning up to do, to differentiate between DLC titles and retail titles.mystervj

All games in the PC section are full releases and do include expansions.

What do you mean?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] But you are already a PC gamer, where does the convincing comes in?Robbazking

The fact that so many consolites here hate on the PC makes me really lose faith in gaming. You're the real reason why motion controls are taking over, Microsoft can get away with charging more for XBL, and game prices keep going even though variety decrease.

Why do we have Call of Duty number 7 on the way? Simple, console gamers. Console gamers never want anything new, they just want a revison of something that has already been made. Why do we have 13+ Final Fantasies, 4 Halos, 7 Call of Duties, 4 MGS, 4 DMCs, to many Mario games to count... The answer is just the console gamer.

That's fine. If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead. It's threads and statements about PC gaming which really get my blood boiling. There is no just reason to HATE PC gaming. PC gaming is the last place any real innovation is happening. You name your favorite game, it can be derived from an early PC title by some small studio who had a good idea and had the means to turn that into a game.

The PC is where the new stuff happens, it's where the real changes are made to gaming. The PC is where the hardware is pushed to the limits and programmers strive to constantly program better and better stuff. The PC is the platform where indie developers can take a game like Team Fortress, a mod for Quake, and turn it into what we know it as today. It's the place where a single map can turn into an entire game genre that even is making its way onto the consoles (DotA, tower defense maps). It's the platform where the small sub-genres can live and thrive.

Why would anybody hate on this platform? It's the reason we have Halo, Call of Duty (which started on the PC no doubt), Gran Truismo, GTA... everything. The PC is the last free place to make games. The console really don't support any sort of indie game development. Companies charge tons of money just to get the development kits and licence games onto their platforms. Without the little guy, how can new ideas be put into games that really change a genre for the best?

All we got from console gaming is matchmaking and regenerating health. What we got from PC gaming and what we continue to get from PC gaming is changing what we play. The hate for the center of innovation and revolutions in gaming is alarming. This hate of PC gaming is what is stagnating gaming and turning companies onto things like motion controls and social networking in video games.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="mystervj"]It need some cleaning up to do, to differentiate between DLC titles and retail titles.lundy86_4

All games in the PC section are full releases and do include expansions.

What do you mean?

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It certainly shows that consoles have the ability to consistantly produce the best games year after year. Please tell me how that shows the the PC will always be superior?Mograine

[spoiler]


[/spoiler]

^This behemoth hasn't got GotY when it came out.

You can sit on your GotY games all you want, nothing like this is ever going to happen on consoles.

I don't recognize a lot of the titles, but torchlight is in there. mystervj

Yup, all full releases.

Shouldn't Torchlight be there?

[QUOTE="mystervj"] I don't recognize a lot of the titles, but torchlight is in there. lundy86_4

Yup, all full releases.

Shouldn't Torchlight be there?

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] I don't recognize a lot of the titles, but torchlight is in there. mystervj

Yup, all full releases.

Shouldn't Torchlight be there?

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] I don't recognize a lot of the titles, but torchlight is in there. mystervj

Yup, all full releases.

Shouldn't Torchlight be there?

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

ugh, that eyefinity display makes me sick every time I see it. I could never seriously game on something like that. The rest is nice though.

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

mystervj

Torchlight is a full game :?

How does price dictate what is a full game and what is not? Especially when prices are reduced regularly, or for sales.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yup, all full releases.

Shouldn't Torchlight be there?

Iantheone

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

The fact that so many consolites here hate on the PC makes me really lose faith in gaming. You're the real reason why motion controls are taking over, Microsoft can get away with charging more for XBL, and game prices keep going even though variety decrease.

Why do we have Call of Duty number 7 on the way? Simple, console gamers. Console gamers never want anything new, they just want a revison of something that has already been made. Why do we have 13+ Final Fantasies, 4 Halos, 7 Call of Duties, 4 MGS, 4 DMCs, to many Mario games to count... The answer is just the console gamer.

That's fine. If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead. It's threads and statements about PC gaming which really get my blood boiling. There is no just reason to HATE PC gaming. PC gaming is the last place any real innovation is happening. You name your favorite game, it can be derived from an early PC title by some small studio who had a good idea and had the means to turn that into a game.

The PC is where the new stuff happens, it's where the real changes are made to gaming. The PC is where the hardware is pushed to the limits and programmers strive to constantly program better and better stuff. The PC is the platform where indie developers can take a game like Team Fortress, a mod for Quake, and turn it into what we know it as today. It's the place where a single map can turn into an entire game genre that even is making its way onto the consoles (DotA, tower defense maps). It's the platform where the small sub-genres can live and thrive.

Why would anybody hate on this platform? It's the reason we have Halo, Call of Duty (which started on the PC no doubt), Gran Truismo, GTA... everything. The PC is the last free place to make games. The console really don't support any sort of indie game development. Companies charge tons of money just to get the development kits and licence games onto their platforms. Without the little guy, how can new ideas be put into games that really change a genre for the best?

All we got from console gaming is matchmaking and regenerating health. What we got from PC gaming and what we continue to get from PC gaming is changing what we play. The hate for the center of innovation and revolutions in gaming is alarming. This hate of PC gaming is what is stagnating gaming and turning companies onto things like motion controls and social networking in video games.

Wasdie

We should make this post a framework to use whenever this mindless bashing happens again.

It's too bad that it will be ignored and missed again :\

By the way, now that I notice it...

That's fine. If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead. It's threads and statements about PC gaming which really get my blood boiling.

If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead.

Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001,

Final Fantasy 9001

9001Wasdie

[QUOTE="mystervj"]

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

lundy86_4

Torchlight is a full game :?

How does price dictate what is a full game and what is not? Especially when prices are reduced regularly, or for sales.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="mystervj"]

That's more like a DLC, it's $20 on steam.

mystervj

[ Review standard change according to the price of the game, limbo wouldn't get a 9 if it's priced at $60.mystervj

This is a full release game. If you have a problem ask a mod.

Can you show me GS' review standard that states it changes dependant upon price?

Torchlight is an action role-playing game developed by Runic Games, released for Windows in October 2009.[7] The fantasy-themed game is set in the fictional town of Torchlight and the expansive caverns and dungeons nearby, which adventurers explore to collect valuable loot and battle hordes of monsters.[8] Following the October 2009 digital distribution release, a Windows retail box version was released in the U.S. in January 2010 by Encore, Inc,[9] and JoWood Entertainment published a retail box in Europe in April 2010.[1] A port for Mac OS X was developed by World Domination Industries and released through Steam[10] on May 12th, 2010.Development of the game is led by Travis Baldree, designer of Fate, and Max Schaefer and Erich Schaefer, co-designers of Diablo and Diablo II, joined by the team that developed Mythos.

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That is not an independent title to the liking of Limbo and other XBLA/Indie Steam releases. It was published, boxed and had a retail presence. It was not an independent download only release.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][ Review standard change according to the price of the game, limbo wouldn't get a 9 if it's priced at $60.lundy86_4

This is a full release game. If you have a problem ask a mod.

Can you show me GS' review standard that states it changes dependant upon price?

Yeah, if I wasn't a 15 year old, I'd definitely be gaming on PC.dkjestrup

I'm 15. I just upgraded to a 5830.

:|