People expecting large difference between each console next gen?!

Are you people expecting a huge difference between the hardware of Wii-u, PS4, next-box like how PS3 was vastly different from Wii? From what i can tell this gen was abit unusual as consoles normally have similar hardware, When i say similar i mean they can run multi-platform games between all 3 like how the PS2, xbox and GC shared alot of multi-plats and that the only time you can tell a major differnece is with 1st party titles. Saturn, PSx and N64 shared several games between them and the gen previous to this the Mega Drive and Snes also shared games like mortal kombat, street fighter 2 and so forth.

So should people expect a much more powerful console than that of thus far the Wii-U?!

Nope.

We've reached the point where differences in graphics are miniscule amongst consoles.

Not really for multiplat games.

If there is a noticeable difference between the consoles in terms of power, it will be shown in the exclusives I'm guessing.

No there wont be a huge jump. Just expect 1080p resolutions, 3D compatiblity and perhaps small amounts of AA.

I feel sorry for anyone expecting a huge jump. They will be in for a huge shock.

I'm not, at all. Infact, I think the Wii U will be the biggest leap.

I feel sorry for anyone expecting a huge jump. They will be in for a huge shock.

D4W1L4H

You'd be surprised at how many consolites think Sony and MS will be selling $1000 powerhouses for $300-$400.

People like that think next gen consoles will reach "Avatar quality" graphics. :lol:

We'll probably see the same "graphics" in a higher resolution, (1080p or 1600x900) with more AA, AF, a few more polygons and a higher frame rate for certain games. That's about it.

Nope, Wii U, PS4, and NeXbox will look mostly the same (multiplat wise).

The Wii U controller will give it a little "edge" over the competition (if Sony decides to stick with the regular PS4 controller yet again). Each company seems to be changing up their controllers (MS = Kinect, Nintendo = Wii U controller, Sony = Classic controller?) I wonder how multiplats will turn out, next gen should be interesting.

I just hope games can all run at the same resoltion and have some sort of AA implemented. With FXAAA and MXAA, devs should be about to do it at a low cost

Nah, but I do hope there is an emphasis on at least providing a quality upgrade (concerning graphics, anyway). What I am hoping for the focus to be on performance and enabling developers to have as much reign as they may want by packing the consoles with as much RAM as possible. I'm more than comfortable paying $400-$500 for a PS4/XboxLoop. Still not sure about Wii U, we'll see.

I just hope games can all run at the same resoltion and have some sort of AA implemented. With FXAAA and MXAA, devs should be about to do it at a low cost

BPoole96

Or SMAA which is absolutley performance cost free.

a LARGE difference is gone now days...maybe in 10-15 years we'll see another HUGE leap. Im happy with graphics, have been since last gen..

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I just hope games can all run at the same resoltion and have some sort of AA implemented. With FXAAA and MXAA, devs should be about to do it at a low cost

vtoshkatur

Or SMAA which is absolutley performance cost free.

Ah yes thats the one I meant to say. They should start putting that on current consoles

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I just hope games can all run at the same resoltion and have some sort of AA implemented. With FXAAA and MXAA, devs should be about to do it at a low cost

BPoole96

Or SMAA which is absolutley performance cost free.

Ah yes thats the one I meant to say. They should start putting that on current consoles

They should! Because as I said it's free and doesn't have any of the image bluring associated with FXAA,MLAA,MDLAA ect

I don't think its wishful thinking to expect games, albeit not right away, to look better than BF3 maxed. The main reason for that is optimization though, not sheer power. Seriously, Gears of War looked better than anything on anything in 2006. Now, looking at Gears 3 and Killzone 3, its amazing how big a jump we've seen just during this generation. That massive jump may not come right away in launch titles, but it didn't this generation either. I'll say God of War 2 looks almost as good as Resistance: Fall of Man. My point is that I don't expect this massive leap in hardware, we aren't going to get a 2011 top of the line PC, but after a year or two, optimization will make it seem like it is.

[spoiler] Or I'm just being an ignorant douche talking out of my ass. [/spoiler]

I am expecting very little difference in visuals because of the associated development cost, price of hardware, and the law of diminishing returns.

I hope they do improve things besides visuals, such as: Sleep mode (like the DS and PSP), Faster Load times, Stable Frame Rates, maybe even add a haptic back touchpad (that simulates in-game tactile surfaces) on the controller for new ways to play, etc.

I am a little uncertain (albeit worried) about the PS4 and Xbox^3 at this point (price, games, etc.); the Wii U looks uninviting and expensive as well...

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I feel sorry for anyone expecting a huge jump. They will be in for a huge shock.

Tikeio

You'd be surprised at how many consolites think Sony and MS will be selling $1000 powerhouses for $300-$400.

People like that think next gen consoles will reach "Avatar quality" graphics. :lol:

We'll probably see the same "graphics" in a higher resolution, (1080p or 1600x900) with more AA, AF, a few more polygons and a higher frame rate for certain games. That's about it.

a LARGE difference is gone now days...maybe in 10-15 years we'll see another HUGE leap. Im happy with graphics, have been since last gen..

VanDammFan

1080p @ 60fps is the expectation and pretty much the plateau.

Beyond that, you would need large numbers of people throwing out their TV's and monitors, and I don't see that happening.

Are you people expecting a huge difference between the hardware of Wii-u, PS4, next-box like how PS3 was vastly different from Wii? From what i can tell this gen was abit unusual as consoles normally have similar hardware, When i say similar i mean they can run multi-platform games between all 3 like how the PS2, xbox and GC shared alot of multi-plats and that the only time you can tell a major differnece is with 1st party titles. Saturn, PSx and N64 shared several games between them and the gen previous to this the Mega Drive and Snes also shared games like mortal kombat, street fighter 2 and so forth.

So should people expect a much more powerful console than that of thus far the Wii-U?!

joojtzu

Nope.

We've reached the point where differences in graphics are miniscule amongst consoles.

mmmwksil

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Are you people expecting a huge difference between the hardware of Wii-u, PS4, next-box like how PS3 was vastly different from Wii? From what i can tell this gen was abit unusual as consoles normally have similar hardware, When i say similar i mean they can run multi-platform games between all 3 like how the PS2, xbox and GC shared alot of multi-plats and that the only time you can tell a major differnece is with 1st party titles. Saturn, PSx and N64 shared several games between them and the gen previous to this the Mega Drive and Snes also shared games like mortal kombat, street fighter 2 and so forth.

So should people expect a much more powerful console than that of thus far the Wii-U?!

AzatiS

Nope.

We've reached the point where differences in graphics are miniscule amongst consoles.

mmmwksil

Nope.

We've reached the point where differences in graphics are miniscule amongst consoles.

mmmwksil

No one knows but im hoping for a huge jump from this to next gen. It´s a 7 or 8 years advance in tech.

Its gonna be a bigger jump than last gen. These consoles had a longer time so the next consoles will have an even bigger jump. I expect games to blow crysis away on the next-gen xbox. Wii u is in the same scenario wii was this gen. The other consoles will be a gen ahead of wii u in graphics.

1080p @ 60fps is the expectation and pretty much the plateau.

Beyond that, you would need large numbers of people throwing out their TV's and monitors, and I don't see that happening.

LazySloth718

No. Not gonna happen for every game developed on next gen consoles. To push fixed hardware to the max, devs have to make sacrifices.

Expect 1920x1080 @ 30fps, 1600x900 @ 30fps and 1600x900 @ 60fps for most games.1920x1080 @ 60fps will most likely be rare next gen.

Console devs almost always sacrifice frame rate for "prettier" graphics.

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1080p @ 60fps is the expectation and pretty much the plateau.

Beyond that, you would need large numbers of people throwing out their TV's and monitors, and I don't see that happening.

Tikeio

No. Not gonna happen for every game developed on next gen consoles. To push fixed hardware to the max, devs have to make sacrifices.

Expect 1920x1080 @ 30fps, 1600x900 @ 30fps and 1600x900 @ 60fps for most games.1920x1080 @ 60fps will most likely be rare next gen.

Console devs almost always sacrifice frame rate for "prettier" graphics.

Well

Looking at the rumored Wii-U specs, it should be able to handle 1080 @ 60

The 1080 part is mostly about RAM and 60 fps is about cpu/gpu vs graphical detail so I can easily see it happening on the 720/PS4.

Well

Looking at the rumored Wii-U specs, it should be able to handle 1080 @ 60

The 1080 part is mostly about RAMand 60 fps is about cpu/gpu vs graphical detail so I can easily see it happening on the 720/PS4.

LazySloth718

The 360 and PS3 are able to handle 1080p @ 60fps. Your point?

It's entirely up to developers to determine if their games will run in 1080p @ 60fps.

It's been proven that developers who want to push consoles graphically would rather add more eye candy at 30fps, than making sacrifices to achieve 60fps.

And I hope you were quoting someone due to being misinformed in the part I bolded, because you just made yourself look like a total noob.

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Well

Looking at the rumored Wii-U specs, it should be able to handle 1080 @ 60

The 1080 part is mostly about RAMand 60 fps is about cpu/gpu vs graphical detail so I can easily see it happening on the 720/PS4.

Tikeio

The 360 and PS3 are able to handle 1080p @ 60fps. Your point?

It's entirely up to developers to determine if their games will run in 1080p @ 60fps.

It's been proven that developers who want to push consoles graphically would rather add more eye candy at 30fps, than making sacrifices to achieve 60fps.

And I hope you were quoting someone due to being misinformed in the part I bolded, because you just made yourself look like a total noob.

No, I mean 1080p @ 60 fps as a regular standard, not just 1 or 2 games.

And the bold is accurate.

I expect next gen graphics to be the least noticeable jump in decades.

I expect next gen graphics to be the least noticeable jump in decades.

commonfate

No, I mean 1080p @ 60 fps as a regular standard, not just 1 or 2 games.

And the bold is accurate.

LazySloth718

There is no "standard" developers have to abide by.

The "standard" for the Xbox 360 was supposed to be 720p, and how many sub-720p games are out there? A lot.

The "standard" for the PS3 was supposed to be 1080p @ 60fps, and how many games meet these requirements? Less than four.

It's entirely up to developers. Not every game is going to be native 1080p @ 60fps. And if you think they are, then you will be very disappointed.

And your statement about system RAM affecting resolutions the most is anything but accurate.

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I expect next gen graphics to be the least noticeable jump in decades.

Truth_Hurts_U

I don't think they look real, I just think Sony and Microsoft are going to be pushing cheap hardware to save costs/promote sales. There is no reason for me to beieve there will be a big jump next gen.

I expect xbox to do crysis graphics. PS4 to be only blu-ray next gen.

Game-wise not much, but Microsoft has shown itself to be more adept at "conquering the living room", and I think that will be even more evident.

I think it will be harder to call the xbox a gaming device. Pretty sure there will be some rebranding.

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I expect next gen graphics to be the least noticeable jump in decades.

Truth_Hurts_U

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No, I mean 1080p @ 60 fps as a regular standard, not just 1 or 2 games.

And the bold is accurate.

Tikeio

There is no "standard" developers have to abide by.

The "standard" for the Xbox 360 was supposed to be 720p, and how many sub-720p games are out there? A lot.

The "standard" for the PS3 was supposed to be 1080p @ 60fps, and how many games meet these requirements? Less than four.

It's entirely up to developers. Not every game is going to be native 1080p @ 60fps. And if you think they are, then you will be very disappointed.

And your statement about system RAM affecting resolutions the most is anything but accurate.

I think the "standard" for 360 is 1080 because it has an upscaling chip specifically for that.

In terms of "next gen" I believe the hardware will be powerful enough to do 1080 native @ 60 - routine, standard, usually, whatever semantics you want to use.

If you don't have enough RAM to hold pixels or textures then you are gonna kick it down until the graphics fit the memory.

At the same time you need bus/gpu/cpu/etc to move those pixels around and be interactive in a satisfying way ie framerates.

Make sense now?

Are you people expecting a huge difference between the hardware of Wii-u, PS4, next-box like how PS3 was vastly different from Wii? From what i can tell this gen was abit unusual as consoles normally have similar hardware, When i say similar i mean they can run multi-platform games between all 3 like how the PS2, xbox and GC shared alot of multi-plats and that the only time you can tell a major differnece is with 1st party titles. Saturn, PSx and N64 shared several games between them and the gen previous to this the Mega Drive and Snes also shared games like mortal kombat, street fighter 2 and so forth.

So should people expect a much more powerful console than that of thus far the Wii-U?!

joojtzu

I expect 1080p with 60fps, should be no problem. Consoles push out better graphics for their price than a pc bc they sell for a loss and optimization.

I think the "standard" for 360 is 1080 because it has an upscaling chip specifically for that.LazySloth718

Lol I'm not even gonna....

In terms of "next gen" I believe the hardware will be powerful enough to do 1080 native @ 60 - routine, standard, usually, whatever semantics you want to use.

LazySloth718

It doesn't matter if it's powerful enough. It's still entirely up to developers to make games native 1080p @ 60fps.

If you don't have enough RAM to hold pixels or textures then you are gonna kick it down until the graphics fit the memory.

At the same time you need bus/gpu/cpu/etc to move those pixels around and be interactive in a satisfying way ie framerates.

Make sense now?LazySloth718

System RAM doesn't have anything to do with producing "graphics." RAM stores data which is made available to the CPU for processing.

A fast CPU and a powerful GPU are much more of a factor in gaming performance than having lots of system RAM.

And even if you mistook system RAM for VRAM, (I'm guessing you did) performance in high resolutions is not only based on the amount of VRAM in a GPU, but also the type of VRAM, clock frequencies, memory bandwidth, pixel rate, etc.

You are very misinformed.