PEOPLE PLEASE! Can you get your numbers CORRECT. PS3 has NOT SOLD 2mil, LINK

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.mjarantilla

The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.NotThat_basic

Dude if you add in 1.5 weeks of sales that MC hasnt added in yet. The Wii is SPOT on and the PS3 is off by like 50,000 units which is about what Famitsu has it at.

Theres more than one tracking company if you havent figured that out yet.  Maybe you should go do some research.  Why should they STRICKLY base it off of MC?

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]second they estimate for february until they get the numbers in and then adjust accordingly.mjarantilla

Also they dont strickly base they japan numbers off of MC they also go off of famitsu which is also different from MC.MasterChumly

They are an excellent source to go back and look at data.MasterChumly

NexGenWars is completely off so I dont see why your bringing them into here. MasterChumly

Yea considering there SOOOOOOOO off on there estimates when its always less than 100,00 big deal. So your saying we shouldnt use their overall numbers because they MIGHT be off for a week or two by 100,000 that they will adjust when they get official data? I dont see what your getting at here because there not even close to being as unreliable as your attempt to make them sound.

Sigh I dont know why your SOOOOOOOO upset about vgcharts. Have they offended you in some way. Is your console not selling as well as you like it to? They try and give us sales data that we can look at and give us the best world wide console sales that can be found on the internet. So you want us to want for more shipments numbers from MS SONY and NINTENDO? When we know those cant be trusted? So again why shouldnt we use them if they are BARELY off.

/yawn so the old 13 year old arguement to try and make yourself feel better.  I dont know why your having such a hissing fit with this.  If you look at the numbers they are resonable close.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.MasterChumly

The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.NotThat_basic

Dude if you add in 1.5 weeks of sales that MC hasnt added in yet. The Wii is SPOT on and the PS3 is off by like 50,000 units which is about what Famitsu has it at.

Theres more than one tracking company if you havent figured that out yet. Maybe you should go do some research. Why should they STRICKLY base it off of MC?

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.mjarantilla

The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.NotThat_basic

Dude if you add in 1.5 weeks of sales that MC hasnt added in yet. The Wii is SPOT on and the PS3 is off by like 50,000 units which is about what Famitsu has it at.

Theres more than one tracking company if you havent figured that out yet. Maybe you should go do some research. Why should they STRICKLY base it off of MC?

Wow..... Its called an OVER TIME DIFFERENCE.  Some of the tracking companies track higher/lower than the others ones. 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]second they estimate for february until they get the numbers in and then adjust accordingly.MasterChumly

Also they dont strickly base they japan numbers off of MC they also go off of famitsu which is also different from MC.MasterChumly

They are an excellent source to go back and look at data.MasterChumly

NexGenWars is completely off so I dont see why your bringing them into here. MasterChumly

Yea considering there SOOOOOOOO off on there estimates when its always less than 100,00 big deal. So your saying we shouldnt use their overall numbers because they MIGHT be off for a week or two by 100,000 that they will adjust when they get official data? I dont see what your getting at here because there not even close to being as unreliable as your attempt to make them sound.

Sigh I dont know why your SOOOOOOOO upset about vgcharts. Have they offended you in some way. Is your console not selling as well as you like it to? They try and give us sales data that we can look at and give us the best world wide console sales that can be found on the internet. So you want us to want for more shipments numbers from MS SONY and NINTENDO? When we know those cant be trusted? So again why shouldnt we use them if they are BARELY off.

/yawn so the old 13 year old arguement to try and make yourself feel better. I dont know why your having such a hissing fit with this. If you look at the numbers they are resonable close.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.MasterChumly

The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.NotThat_basic

Dude if you add in 1.5 weeks of sales that MC hasnt added in yet. The Wii is SPOT on and the PS3 is off by like 50,000 units which is about what Famitsu has it at.

Theres more than one tracking company if you havent figured that out yet. Maybe you should go do some research. Why should they STRICKLY base it off of MC?

Wow..... Its called an OVER TIME DIFFERENCE. Some of the tracking companies track higher/lower than the others ones.

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]second they estimate for february until they get the numbers in and then adjust accordingly.mjarantilla

Also they dont strickly base they japan numbers off of MC they also go off of famitsu which is also different from MC.MasterChumly

They are an excellent source to go back and look at data.MasterChumly

NexGenWars is completely off so I dont see why your bringing them into here. MasterChumly

Yea considering there SOOOOOOOO off on there estimates when its always less than 100,00 big deal. So your saying we shouldnt use their overall numbers because they MIGHT be off for a week or two by 100,000 that they will adjust when they get official data? I dont see what your getting at here because there not even close to being as unreliable as your attempt to make them sound.

Sigh I dont know why your SOOOOOOOO upset about vgcharts. Have they offended you in some way. Is your console not selling as well as you like it to? They try and give us sales data that we can look at and give us the best world wide console sales that can be found on the internet. So you want us to want for more shipments numbers from MS SONY and NINTENDO? When we know those cant be trusted? So again why shouldnt we use them if they are BARELY off.

/yawn so the old 13 year old arguement to try and make yourself feel better. I dont know why your having such a hissing fit with this. If you look at the numbers they are resonable close.

Well Im done argueing with you if your just going to make stuff up.  I give you explanations and you attempt to come up with more.  The simple fact is that they are NOT off by what you think or say.  I dont know why your attempting to claim that but whatever. 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]second they estimate for february until they get the numbers in and then adjust accordingly.MasterChumly

Also they dont strickly base they japan numbers off of MC they also go off of famitsu which is also different from MC.MasterChumly

They are an excellent source to go back and look at data.MasterChumly

NexGenWars is completely off so I dont see why your bringing them into here. MasterChumly

Yea considering there SOOOOOOOO off on there estimates when its always less than 100,00 big deal. So your saying we shouldnt use their overall numbers because they MIGHT be off for a week or two by 100,000 that they will adjust when they get official data? I dont see what your getting at here because there not even close to being as unreliable as your attempt to make them sound.

Sigh I dont know why your SOOOOOOOO upset about vgcharts. Have they offended you in some way. Is your console not selling as well as you like it to? They try and give us sales data that we can look at and give us the best world wide console sales that can be found on the internet. So you want us to want for more shipments numbers from MS SONY and NINTENDO? When we know those cant be trusted? So again why shouldnt we use them if they are BARELY off.

/yawn so the old 13 year old arguement to try and make yourself feel better. I dont know why your having such a hissing fit with this. If you look at the numbers they are resonable close.

Well Im done argueing with you if your just going to make stuff up. I give you explanations and you attempt to come up with more. The simple fact is that they are NOT off by what you think or say. I dont know why your attempting to claim that but whatever.

[quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.mjarantilla

:roll:

I see you still did not read the website like I suggested...  **sigh**

VG Charts analyzes sell-through data from a variety of different sources for Japan, the US, Europe, and rest of the world markets. VG Charts has one primary concern with regard to data collection services: the reliability of market data from any data service is subject to interpretation, and VG Charts verifies the accuracy of sell-through data by conducting interviews with industry executives and competing sell-through services, if available. By adjusting sell-through data to reflect industry feedback, we can create detailed analyses of market trends and provide accurate market statistics and projections.

What this means, in layman's terms, is that while you and I only have access to NPD numbers (as I stated - the only 'readily available' numbers for the US), they use other means for generating those numbers. I still haven't seen you state anywhere, in any of your rants, that you don't believe the Wii could have possibly sold 500k units in February. Because in my opinion, that's a pretty damn reasonable number and would put them at 2million sold.

[quote="NotThat_basic"]The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.mjarantilla

Once again, you fail to compare apples to apples. You're looking at the 'total Japan' numbers posted on their front page and then saying 'they are off by 80k!!!!' - what you are not doing is looking at their individual weekly breakdown which also does not match Media Create unit-by-unit. So, we're not talking about an 80k difference over the past week, we're talking about 80k difference over the course of the entire PS3 launch. Meaning, some weeks, Dengeki might have the numbers 5k or 10k higher than Media Create and others, it might be the same or less.

Nowhere, and not at anytime, did I see vgcharts is 100% accurate - but it is still far better than any guesstimates I've seen, and in my opinion, it's pretty darn close to the truth. My guess - you're an MS boy and you're not happy with the idea that 10million consoles haven't been sold even those MS told you it was true...

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.NotThat_basic

:roll:

I see you still did not read the website like I suggested...  **sigh**

VG Charts analyzes sell-through data from a variety of different sources for Japan, the US, Europe, and rest of the world markets. VG Charts has one primary concern with regard to data collection services: the reliability of market data from any data service is subject to interpretation, and VG Charts verifies the accuracy of sell-through data by conducting interviews with industry executives and competing sell-through services, if available. By adjusting sell-through data to reflect industry feedback, we can create detailed analyses of market trends and provide accurate market statistics and projections.

What this means, in layman's terms, is that while you and I only have access to NPD numbers (as I stated - the only 'readily available' numbers for the US), they use other means for generating those numbers. I still haven't seen you state anywhere, in any of your rants, that you don't believe the Wii could have possibly sold 500k units in February. Because in my opinion, that's a pretty damn reasonable number and would put them at 2million sold.

[quote="NotThat_basic"]The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.mjarantilla

Once again, you fail to compare apples to apples. You're looking at the 'total Japan' numbers posted on their front page and then saying 'they are off by 80k!!!!' - what you are not doing is looking at their individual weekly breakdown which also does not match Media Create unit-by-unit. So, we're not talking about an 80k difference over the past week, we're talking about 80k difference over the course of the entire PS3 launch. Meaning, some weeks, Dengeki might have the numbers 5k or 10k higher than Media Create and others, it might be the same or less.

Nowhere, and not at anytime, did I see vgcharts is 100% accurate - but it is still far better than any guesstimates I've seen, and in my opinion, it's pretty darn close to the truth. My guess - you're an MS boy and you're not happy with the idea that 10million consoles haven't been sold even those MS told you it was true...

Thank you,

Also you have to remember to include Canada and the rest of the Americas for the "North Amerca" sales. 

NPD November - 197,000 PS3    LINK
NPD December - 750,000 PS3
NPD January - 243,000

Thats 1,190,000 Units in the USA up to January

VGcharts.org is inaccurate. This has always been the case. There number just don't add up compared to npd numbers.

Last week, I got into an argument witth some kid after the npd numbers for January vs VGcharts.org numbers which were inflated by 30,000.

http://www.vgcharts.org/aconscomps.php?name1=PS3&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0

Vgcharts.org believes that 275,000 consoles were sold in North America but Canada numbers for Jan are only 6,800. So 243,000 + 6,800 does not equal 275,000.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166203.html

Oh I almost forgot Mexico but considering Mexico is a smaller market than Canada, the numbers don't add up.

VGcharts.org = inaccurate

Thank you,

Also you have to remember to include Canada and the rest of the Americas for the "North Amerca" sales. 

MasterChumly

Right - and nobody has said they are 100% accurate, right down to the last console sold, but they are pretty darn close and they are good enough for people that are interested in these kinds of discussions...

VGcharts.org is inaccurate. This has always been the case. There number just don't add up compared to npd numbers.

Last week, I got into an argument witth some kid after the npd numbers for January vs VGcharts.org numbers which were inflated by 30,000.

RaveRabbid

There was a 30k difference and you call that an argument to be had? Ever hear of Canada? They usually move about 20-30k a month in the NA - and are not counted by NPD.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][quote="NotThat_basic"]1) They don't necessarily rely on NPD for their number - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. What I'm suggesting to you, which you totally dismissed in your fanboy way, is that if NPD reported 1.5 million in the US through the end of January, isn't it quite possible that another 500k Wii's have been sold? Seeing as they can't seem to be found on store shelves, I would guess that means they are still selling at a pretty good clip. Try comparing apples to apples.NotThat_basic

:roll:

I see you still did not read the website like I suggested... **sigh**

VG Charts analyzes sell-through data from a variety of different sources for Japan, the US, Europe, and rest of the world markets. VG Charts has one primary concern with regard to data collection services: the reliability of market data from any data service is subject to interpretation, and VG Charts verifies the accuracy of sell-through data by conducting interviews with industry executives and competing sell-through services, if available. By adjusting sell-through data to reflect industry feedback, we can create detailed analyses of market trends and provide accurate market statistics and projections.

What this means, in layman's terms, is that while you and I only have access to NPD numbers (as I stated - the only 'readily available' numbers for the US), they use other means for generating those numbers. I still haven't seen you state anywhere, in any of your rants, that you don't believe the Wii could have possibly sold 500k units in February. Because in my opinion, that's a pretty damn reasonable number and would put them at 2million sold.

[quote="NotThat_basic"]The don't rely soley on Media Create for their Japanese numbers - go to their site and read the 'What is VGCharts' message. Unlike the US where there is only one readily available tracking firm, Japan has several (Famitsu, Dengeki, Media Create) - I'm sure they use a combination of all three and then some other things as well in order to arrive at their numbers.mjarantilla

Once again, you fail to compare apples to apples. You're looking at the 'total Japan' numbers posted on their front page and then saying 'they are off by 80k!!!!' - what you are not doing is looking at their individual weekly breakdown which also does not match Media Create unit-by-unit. So, we're not talking about an 80k difference over the past week, we're talking about 80k difference over the course of the entire PS3 launch. Meaning, some weeks, Dengeki might have the numbers 5k or 10k higher than Media Create and others, it might be the same or less.

Nowhere, and not at anytime, did I see vgcharts is 100% accurate - but it is still far better than any guesstimates I've seen, and in my opinion, it's pretty darn close to the truth. My guess - you're an MS boy and you're not happy with the idea that 10million consoles haven't been sold even those MS told you it was true...

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

VGcharts.org is inaccurate. This has always been the case. There number just don't add up compared to npd numbers.

Last week, I got into an argument witth some kid after the npd numbers for January vs VGcharts.org numbers which were inflated by 30,000.

NotThat_basic

There was a 30k difference and you call that an argument to be had? Ever hear of Canada? They usually move about 20-30k a month in the NA - and are not counted by NPD.

Unfortunately, the PS3 sold only 6,800 units in Canada. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166203.html

Like I said, that leaves Mexico............. which is a smaller market than Canada. Hence, the numbers are inaccurate (as always).

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Look, I find it hard to believe that the PS3 isn't selling. Jack Trenton says there's a shortage, which I believe because he put his money where his mouth is. Obviously someone as high up as Jack Trenton would know better than any of us. What the hell is wrong with you people?

REVENGEotSITH

LOL.  You believe Jack Tretton?  He's a corporate head who believes that the retail version of Motorstorm looks better than the E3 target video.

Seriously Jack Tretton is wacko....If there's a shortage why can you still get a PS3 on Ebgames.com and Circuitcity.  I'm sure there are more sites to get one...

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Look, I find it hard to believe that the PS3 isn't selling. Jack Trenton says there's a shortage, which I believe because he put his money where his mouth is. Obviously someone as high up as Jack Trenton would know better than any of us. What the hell is wrong with you people?

snackdaddy

LOL.  You believe Jack Tretton?  He's a corporate head who believes that the retail version of Motorstorm looks better than the E3 target video.

Seriously Jack Tretton is wacko....If there's a shortage why can you still get a PS3 on Ebgames.com and Circuitcity.  I'm sure there are more sites to get one...

LOL.

[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

VGcharts.org is inaccurate. This has always been the case. There number just don't add up compared to npd numbers.

Last week, I got into an argument witth some kid after the npd numbers for January vs VGcharts.org numbers which were inflated by 30,000.

RaveRabbid

There was a 30k difference and you call that an argument to be had? Ever hear of Canada? They usually move about 20-30k a month in the NA - and are not counted by NPD.

Unfortunately, the PS3 sold only 6,800 units in Canada. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166203.html

Like I said, that leaves Mexico............. which is a smaller market than Canada. Hence, the numbers are inaccurate (as always).

It's a good thing I even knew what you were talking about in the first place...   ...you simply made a blanket statement about a debate over 30k consoles, so I offered Canada as a pretty good source.

[QUOTE="snackdaddy"][QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Look, I find it hard to believe that the PS3 isn't selling. Jack Trenton says there's a shortage, which I believe because he put his money where his mouth is. Obviously someone as high up as Jack Trenton would know better than any of us. What the hell is wrong with you people?

heretrix

LOL.  You believe Jack Tretton?  He's a corporate head who believes that the retail version of Motorstorm looks better than the E3 target video.

Seriously Jack Tretton is wacko....If there's a shortage why can you still get a PS3 on Ebgames.com and Circuitcity.  I'm sure there are more sites to get one...

LOL.

NPD November - 197,000 PS3    LINK
NPD December - 750,000 PS3
NPD January - 243,000

Thats 1,190,000 Units in the USA up to January

Blinblingthing

Now Japanese Figures

November 6 - 12, 2006  PS3 - 81,639
November 13 - 19, 2006 PS3 - 42,099
November 20 - 26, 2006 - PS3 - 32,662
November 27 - December 3, 2006 - PS3 - 31,436
December 4 - 10, 2006 - PS3 - 50,171
December 11 - 17, 2006 - PS3 - 70,942
December 18 - 24, 2006 - PS3 - 76,882
December 25 - 31, 2006 - PS3 - 71,727
January 1 - 7, 2007 - PS3 - 69,944
January 8 - 14, 2007 - PS3 - 25,531
January 15 - 21, 2007- PS3 - 21,105
January 22 - 28, 2007 - PS3 - 19,996
January 29 - February 4, 2007 - PS3 - 18,727
February 5 - 11, 2007 - PS3 - 23,431
February 12 - 18, 2007 - PS3 - 20,676

LINK

TOtal - 580K

Lets assume 20K for the missing week

19 - 24 - 20K
25 - 2 - 20K

Lets assume another 250K sold in the US (VF5 had to have moved something)

Thats 1.77 Million alone on Sales PROVEN already

Assuming the DATA for missing February NA and 2 weeks in JP

Thats 2,060,000.

You my Good sir can consider Yourself and Nextgen Wars OWNED.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="snackdaddy"][QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Look, I find it hard to believe that the PS3 isn't selling. Jack Trenton says there's a shortage, which I believe because he put his money where his mouth is. Obviously someone as high up as Jack Trenton would know better than any of us. What the hell is wrong with you people?

donalbane

LOL.  You believe Jack Tretton?  He's a corporate head who believes that the retail version of Motorstorm looks better than the E3 target video.

Seriously Jack Tretton is wacko....If there's a shortage why can you still get a PS3 on Ebgames.com and Circuitcity.  I'm sure there are more sites to get one...

LOL.

VGcharts.org is inaccurate. This has always been the case. There number just don't add up compared to npd numbers.

Last week, I got into an argument witth some kid after the npd numbers for January vs VGcharts.org numbers which were inflated by 30,000.

http://www.vgcharts.org/aconscomps.php?name1=PS3&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0

Vgcharts.org believes that 275,000 consoles were sold in North America but Canada numbers for Jan are only 6,800. So 243,000 + 6,800 does not equal 275,000.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166203.html

Oh I almost forgot Mexico but considering Mexico is a smaller market than Canada, the numbers don't add up.

VGcharts.org = inaccurate

RaveRabbid

Ok, so now that I see your FULL argument - I still don't see where you are going with this.

Anybody with a brain knows NPD is not 100% accurate either, so what makes their numbers any better than vgcharts' when you get down to a measley 25k difference??? I could see if you were stating that their numbers were off by hundreds of thousands, but 25k? When NPD knowlingly throws 'guesstimates' into their figures as well? Biased much?

Umm I wouldnt take their word for it. Wait for offical statements from Sony or NDP numbers.Wasdie

trust me, you can

[QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]nexgenwars.com isn't exactly trustworthy...actually, I'm not sure when the last time they've updated, as only the Wii appears to have gone up at all in the last couple of months.  Besides, vgcharts.org was voted the official website on this forum, so it's numbers outweigh nexgenwars.com.GamerGuy07360

No you are WRONG. I watch it daily and i see it updat all the time. It refreshes itself thoughout the day.

Wow , you must lead one exciting lifestyle, eh?

[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

VGcharts.org is inaccurate. This has always been the case. There number just don't add up compared to npd numbers.

Last week, I got into an argument witth some kid after the npd numbers for January vs VGcharts.org numbers which were inflated by 30,000.

RaveRabbid

There was a 30k difference and you call that an argument to be had? Ever hear of Canada? They usually move about 20-30k a month in the NA - and are not counted by NPD.

Unfortunately, the PS3 sold only 6,800 units in Canada. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166203.html

Like I said, that leaves Mexico............. which is a smaller market than Canada. Hence, the numbers are inaccurate (as always).

Please refer to my earlier post :D

[QUOTE="GamerGuy07360"]

[QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]nexgenwars.com isn't exactly trustworthy...actually, I'm not sure when the last time they've updated, as only the Wii appears to have gone up at all in the last couple of months.  Besides, vgcharts.org was voted the official website on this forum, so it's numbers outweigh nexgenwars.com.Bam_Butch

No you are WRONG. I watch it daily and i see it updat all the time. It refreshes itself thoughout the day.

Wow , you must lead one exciting lifestyle, eh?

:lol: I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't have the guts to say it for fear of getting another slap on the wrists from those testy mods...    ;)

NO the PS3 has not sold 2 mil like so many fanboys are trying to say.

In fact i have been watching things very closely and the sell to ratio is better for the 360. Meaning 360 is selling 11/2 time more units then PS3 example. PS3 has been stuck at just over 1.5mil for a bit now. So every week it's selling between 30-50 thousand whereas the 360 is selling 60-80 thousand units in the same week.

http://nexgenwars.com/

GamerGuy07360

Well we all know that site is the most creditable site out there..............:roll:

There is noway they could be wrong they are 100% correct!!LOL

Stop using bloody NexGenWars and VGCharts.org!mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Stop using bloody NexGenWars and VGCharts.org!FearlessSpirit

Please don't blindly agree with somebody without providing evidence. I'd like for you to show me where vgcharts has been wrong on 'one or more million units'...    ???

[QUOTE="GamerGuy07360"]

[QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]nexgenwars.com isn't exactly trustworthy...actually, I'm not sure when the last time they've updated, as only the Wii appears to have gone up at all in the last couple of months.  Besides, vgcharts.org was voted the official website on this forum, so it's numbers outweigh nexgenwars.com.Bam_Butch

No you are WRONG. I watch it daily and i see it updat all the time. It refreshes itself thoughout the day.

Wow , you must lead one exciting lifestyle, eh?

HAHA your a funny guy. No i have a LIFE trust me. I just check it if i'm sitting in front of my PC sometimes. What it takes like a 1-2sec to click your link in your tool bar WOOOOOO yeah my life is just so consumed by doing this?

But funny i got a laugh

NO the PS3 has not sold 2 mil like so many fanboys are trying to say.

In fact i have been watching things very closely and the sell to ratio is better for the 360. Meaning 360 is selling 11/2 time more units then PS3 example. PS3 has been stuck at just over 1.5mil for a bit now. So every week it's selling between 30-50 thousand whereas the 360 is selling 60-80 thousand units in the same week.

http://nexgenwars.com/

GamerGuy07360

Here is a better link with tru numbers for u bro. Enjoy :)

http://vgcharts.org/