People who are excited for Halo 3 or still on the fence about it.

How do you guys feel that Bungie managed to get online co-op into the game right out of the box? Relieved? Happy? Celebrating? and how do you feel that it will be MC, the arbiter, and 2 new elites with their own back stories?

For the people who were angry that they wouldn't get online co op (not but a few weeks ago) are you relieved now, and are you satisfied with it?

I believe bungie has met their fans expectations and then some.

Halo 3 looks like it will be the full package, is there anything Bungie has missed? or failed to include?

I can't really think of any gripes about it, really. No game is perfect though.

thoughts?

Bungie is doing everything right this time, IMO.

Really excited for the online coop as well...4 player coop online is going to be a blast.

Bungie is doing everything right this time, IMO.

Really excited for the online coop as well...4 player coop online is going to be a blast.

_en1gma_

Bungie really sounds like they're trying to get it right this time around, not that Halo 2 was a bad game, but it had it's flaws and overall did not compare very well next to Halo: CE. So far I am pleased with what I've seen from Halo 3 and trust in Bungie to make sure the fight is finished the right way. ;)

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Bungie is doing everything right this time, IMO.

Really excited for the online coop as well...4 player coop online is going to be a blast.

DA_B0MB

Bungie really sounds like they're trying to get it right this time around, not that Halo 2 was a bad game, but it had it's flaws and overall did not compare very well next to Halo: CE. So far I am pleased with what I've seen from Halo 3 and trust in Bungie to make sure the fight is finished the right way. ;)

I've always believed Halo 2 did better than Halo:CE, but that the sophomore release really got to it.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Bungie is doing everything right this time, IMO.

Really excited for the online coop as well...4 player coop online is going to be a blast.

DA_B0MB

Bungie really sounds like they're trying to get it right this time around, not that Halo 2 was a bad game, but it had it's flaws and overall did not compare very well next to Halo: CE. So far I am pleased with what I've seen from Halo 3 and trust in Bungie to make sure the fight is finished the right way. ;)

agreed. they are doing everything they can to make halo 3 amazing. i mean it's the last game in the series, so they are going all out.

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Bungie is doing everything right this time, IMO.

Really excited for the online coop as well...4 player coop online is going to be a blast.

-RPGamer-

Bungie really sounds like they're trying to get it right this time around, not that Halo 2 was a bad game, but it had it's flaws and overall did not compare very well next to Halo: CE. So far I am pleased with what I've seen from Halo 3 and trust in Bungie to make sure the fight is finished the right way. ;)

I've always believed Halo 2 did better than Halo:CE, but that the sophomore release really got to it.

The campaign could have been much better,

It was alright, but it shouldv'e had more attention paid to it imo.

When I first saw no online co-op in Halo 3 is was PISSED. It should have been in Halo 2! I actually became less excited for the game, until today. This whole thing should not even have been news, Halo 3 MUST have online co-op. No arguing or lame excuses.

Only thing that can go wrong with Halo 3 is weak story/bad ending.

Indifferent.

Online co-op is a great feature, but it certainly doesn't make up for reasons why I won't be purchasing Halo 3. I simply need more then pointing and shooting. As someone with a very low attention span, I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is. I'll be renting Halo 3 for the singleplayer experience, as I have a story to keep my eyes on target, but I'm afraid the multiplayer won't satisfy in long-term play. I was bored of the beta after 4 days, and judging by that, I'll give the full game a week and half.project343

Indifferent.

Online co-op is a great feature, but it certainly doesn't make up for reasons why I won't be purchasing Halo 3. I simply need more then pointing and shooting. As someone with a very low attention span, I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is. I'll be renting Halo 3 for the singleplayer experience, as I have a story to keep my eyes on target, but I'm afraid the multiplayer won't satisfy in long-term play. I was bored of the beta after 4 days, and judging by that, I'll give the full game a week and half.project343

Halo is far from simplistic. Especially the multiplayer....

Also, the Beta was very limited. And that is an understatement..

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Bungie is doing everything right this time, IMO.

Really excited for the online coop as well...4 player coop online is going to be a blast.

_en1gma_

Bungie really sounds like they're trying to get it right this time around, not that Halo 2 was a bad game, but it had it's flaws and overall did not compare very well next to Halo: CE. So far I am pleased with what I've seen from Halo 3 and trust in Bungie to make sure the fight is finished the right way. ;)

I've always believed Halo 2 did better than Halo:CE, but that the sophomore release really got to it.

The campaign could have been much better,

It was alright, but it shouldv'e had more attention paid to it imo.

And yet it fixed all that was complained about in the first. See that's what i believe people lose sight of, the fact that the first was complained about in terms of copy paste design, and even a large portion of "forwardtracking" (backtracking but on a linear one way progression design).

The library for instance, same thing over and over and over, and people complained.

So Bungie mixes things up in terms of design and gameplay (even story direction for that matter) and they get even more complaints for essentially fixing what they were told was wrong with the first.

And yet it fixed all that was complained about in the first. See that's what i believe people lose sight of, the fact that the first was complained about in terms of copy paste design, and even a large portion of "forwardtracking" (backtracking but on a linear one way progression design).

The library for instance, same thing over and over and over, and people complained.

So Bungie mixes things up in terms of design and gameplay (even story direction for that matter) and they get even more complaints for essentially fixing what they were told was wrong with the first.

-RPGamer-

Is it just me or did we have this argument before?

Anyways, most Halo fans and I did not have anything really to complain about with Halo CE. The only thing that was actual substantial was the copy and paste of the Two Betrayals and AOTCR (which were actual two of the best levels in the campaign). Halo CE had something different than Halo 2. There were linear indoor corridor environments, but there were also open ended outdoor environments and more epic levels than Halo 2. Halo 2 seemed entirely linear and fairly dull in comparison to CE.

Halo CE just seemed to be the superior SP experience imo. The ending was well done and everything leading up to that point is memorable and polished. Halo 2 didn't really have that.

I'm only suprised that they decided to go with two elites and not at least one other spartan. Being able to chose whichever elite you wanted in co-op would be a nice touch, but I doubt it's going to be there.Ellipson

Because that doesn't fit in with the story. I'm glad the other players in coop are not spartans. Bungie is thinking this time around - fitting in with the Halo universe perfectly.

I am very happy about this. I hope that my some of my friends will want to play the game for a very long time like I do though.smokeydabear076

I'll play.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I am very happy about this. I hope that my some of my friends will want to play the game for a very long time like I do though._en1gma_

I'll play.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I am very happy about this. I hope that my some of my friends will want to play the game for a very long time like I do though.smokeydabear076

I'll play.

Only legendary, though. :)

Everything else will be way too easy and childish. :P

I still don't see why I should get Halo 3 as I don't like to play online games, making co-op pretty useless to me. Halo 2 also left a bad impression on me.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I am very happy about this. I hope that my some of my friends will want to play the game for a very long time like I do though._en1gma_

I'll play.

Only legendary, though. :)

Everything else will be way too easy and childish. :P

I'll have to play it through on a less challenging level before I play it on legendary so I know what I am doing.:(

I'll carry you lol.

But sure. :P

I'll carry you lol.

But sure. :P

_en1gma_

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

I'll carry you lol.

But sure. :P

smokeydabear076

I'm used to it lol.

You don't know how good I am at Halo. ;)

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

I'll carry you lol.

But sure. :P

_en1gma_

I'm used to it lol.

You don't know how good I am at Halo. ;)

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

And yet it fixed all that was complained about in the first. See that's what i believe people lose sight of, the fact that the first was complained about in terms of copy paste design, and even a large portion of "forwardtracking" (backtracking but on a linear one way progression design).

The library for instance, same thing over and over and over, and people complained.

So Bungie mixes things up in terms of design and gameplay (even story direction for that matter) and they get even more complaints for essentially fixing what they were told was wrong with the first.

_en1gma_

Is it just me or did we have this argument before?

Anyways, most Halo fans and I did not have anything really to complain about with Halo CE. The only thing that was actual substantial was the copy and paste of the Two Betrayals and AOTCR (which were actual two of the best levels in the campaign). Halo CE had something different than Halo 2. There were linear indoor corridor environments, but there were also open ended outdoor environments and more epic levels than Halo 2. Halo 2 seemed entirely linear and fairly dull in comparison to CE.

Halo CE just seemed to be the superior SP experience imo. The ending was well done and everything leading up to that point is memorable and polished. Halo 2 didn't really have that.

LOL, I think we've had this before hard to recall who, but it felt a tid bit deja vu.

See your comments still lead me to believe its' the sophomore release issue. Halo: CE released and it was "new" to gamers, something no Halo will ever be able to accomplish as a FPS. They're both linear, but Halo 2 was kind of mroe of the same, leading some imho to believe it's more so.

Not sure if I've had this with you or not, but I've seen similar comments (and I think both campaigns are great), but I honestly feel that Halo 2 gets the raw end of the deal simply b/c it didn't come first not that it was designed any worse.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

I'll carry you lol.

But sure. :P

smokeydabear076

I'm used to it lol.

You don't know how good I am at Halo. ;)

No worries there.

What about all the new vehicles, weapons, the metagame (or whatever it's called), Forge mode, etc? I can understand what you are talking about, but the beta only offered 3 maps, a few vehicles and a limited number of modes. Personally I think with all the modes and vehicles they are adding, Halo 3 is going to be more than worth the 60 bucks.
Rockclmbr6

Halo is far from simplistic. Especially the multiplayer....

Also, the Beta was very limited. And that is an understatement..

_en1gma_

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

And yet it fixed all that was complained about in the first. See that's what i believe people lose sight of, the fact that the first was complained about in terms of copy paste design, and even a large portion of "forwardtracking" (backtracking but on a linear one way progression design).

The library for instance, same thing over and over and over, and people complained.

So Bungie mixes things up in terms of design and gameplay (even story direction for that matter) and they get even more complaints for essentially fixing what they were told was wrong with the first.

-RPGamer-

Is it just me or did we have this argument before?

Anyways, most Halo fans and I did not have anything really to complain about with Halo CE. The only thing that was actual substantial was the copy and paste of the Two Betrayals and AOTCR (which were actual two of the best levels in the campaign). Halo CE had something different than Halo 2. There were linear indoor corridor environments, but there were also open ended outdoor environments and more epic levels than Halo 2. Halo 2 seemed entirely linear and fairly dull in comparison to CE.

Halo CE just seemed to be the superior SP experience imo. The ending was well done and everything leading up to that point is memorable and polished. Halo 2 didn't really have that.

LOL, I think we've had this before hard to recall who, but it felt a tid bit deja vu.

See your comments still lead me to believe its' the sophomore release issue. Halo: CE released and it was "new" to gamers, something no Halo will ever be able to accomplish as a FPS. They're both linear, but Halo 2 was kind of mroe of the same, leading some imho to believe it's more so.

Not sure if I've had this with you or not, but I've seen similar comments (and I think both campaigns are great), but I honestly feel that Halo 2 gets the raw end of the deal simply b/c it didn't come first not that it was designed any worse.

Yep. I did have this argument with you a long time ago.

But I still have to say that I enjoyed Halo CE's campaign a lot more than the second installment. It may be sophomore sydrome, it may not be ... I will still always find it to be the better and more fun campaign. :P

[QUOTE="Rockclmbr6"]

What about all the new vehicles, weapons, the metagame (or whatever it's called), Forge mode, etc? I can understand what you are talking about, but the beta only offered 3 maps, a few vehicles and a limited number of modes. Personally I think with all the modes and vehicles they are adding, Halo 3 is going to be more than worth the 60 bucks.
project343

Halo is far from simplistic. Especially the multiplayer....

Also, the Beta was very limited. And that is an understatement..

_en1gma_

That seems to be purely opinion, then.

Halo 2 still has me hooked and I still LAN, XBC, and split-screen it up with CE.

It never seems to get old..

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

And yet it fixed all that was complained about in the first. See that's what i believe people lose sight of, the fact that the first was complained about in terms of copy paste design, and even a large portion of "forwardtracking" (backtracking but on a linear one way progression design).

The library for instance, same thing over and over and over, and people complained.

So Bungie mixes things up in terms of design and gameplay (even story direction for that matter) and they get even more complaints for essentially fixing what they were told was wrong with the first.

-RPGamer-

Is it just me or did we have this argument before?

Anyways, most Halo fans and I did not have anything really to complain about with Halo CE. The only thing that was actual substantial was the copy and paste of the Two Betrayals and AOTCR (which were actual two of the best levels in the campaign). Halo CE had something different than Halo 2. There were linear indoor corridor environments, but there were also open ended outdoor environments and more epic levels than Halo 2. Halo 2 seemed entirely linear and fairly dull in comparison to CE.

Halo CE just seemed to be the superior SP experience imo. The ending was well done and everything leading up to that point is memorable and polished. Halo 2 didn't really have that.

LOL, I think we've had this before hard to recall who, but it felt a tid bit deja vu.

See your comments still lead me to believe its' the sophomore release issue. Halo: CE released and it was "new" to gamers, something no Halo will ever be able to accomplish as a FPS. They're both linear, but Halo 2 was kind of mroe of the same, leading some imho to believe it's more so.

Not sure if I've had this with you or not, but I've seen similar comments (and I think both campaigns are great), but I honestly feel that Halo 2 gets the raw end of the deal simply b/c it didn't come first not that it was designed any worse.

I've had the same thoughts since I heard people complaining about Halo 2 sp. The only thing it did worst than the first was that it tried to make the covenant more human.

That seems to be purely opinion, then.

_en1gma_

Indifferent.

Online co-op is a great feature, but it certainly doesn't make up for reasons why I won't be purchasing Halo 3. I simply need more then pointing and shooting. As someone with a very low attention span, I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is. I'll be renting Halo 3 for the singleplayer experience, as I have a story to keep my eyes on target, but I'm afraid the multiplayer won't satisfy in long-term play. I was bored of the beta after 4 days, and judging by that, I'll give the full game a week and half.project343

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

That seems to be purely opinion, then.

project343

Indifferent.

Online co-op is a great feature, but it certainly doesn't make up for reasons why I won't be purchasing Halo 3. I simply need more then pointing and shooting. As someone with a very low attention span, I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is. I'll be renting Halo 3 for the singleplayer experience, as I have a story to keep my eyes on target, but I'm afraid the multiplayer won't satisfy in long-term play. I was bored of the beta after 4 days, and judging by that, I'll give the full game a week and half.project343

Nah. I just don't find it fitting to say that Halo is simplistic...not for a FPS at least.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

That seems to be purely opinion, then.

project343

Indifferent.

Online co-op is a great feature, but it certainly doesn't make up for reasons why I won't be purchasing Halo 3. I simply need more then pointing and shooting. As someone with a very low attention span, I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is. I'll be renting Halo 3 for the singleplayer experience, as I have a story to keep my eyes on target, but I'm afraid the multiplayer won't satisfy in long-term play. I was bored of the beta after 4 days, and judging by that, I'll give the full game a week and half.project343

It's looking to be the best halo yet.

Nah. I just don't find it fitting to say that Halo is simplistic...not for a FPS at least.

_en1gma_

And you said that I did not have pulse because I found Crackdown to be lame. Seriously that game is just plain old shooting and you seem to have a blast with it, I don't see why you are going to have a problem with this one.smokeydabear076

I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is.project343

Crackdown was more of an interactive chat room for me. While the game was entertaining, I simply used it to discuss topics with my friends as we just aimlessly destroyed stuff together. On a side note, Crackdown also featured leveling up, which serves as an additional reason to continue playing. If a simplistic game has leveling up, I'll last me much longer then it normally would. :)

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Nah. I just don't find it fitting to say that Halo is simplistic...not for a FPS at least.

project343

Halo's multiplayer is complex to say the least.

Power and weapon control. Power timing and setups. Weapon movements. Nade points. Map control based spawns and balancing. It takes years to understand Halo fully.

Single weapons have multi-layers of use.

I.E. BR RRX and quads with that. Wall spamming.

In no way is it simple. No way at all. Maybe if you got a taste of professional gaming you'd understand.

Go into a real Halo 2 match with a team thinking it is simple and you'll get torn a new one.

Nay, go into a real Halo CE match.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]And you said that I did not have pulse because I found Crackdown to be lame. Seriously that game is just plain old shooting and you seem to have a blast with it, I don't see why you are going to have a problem with this one.project343

I can't play games as long as most people unless there's something else there; variety, story, depth, a social focus, anything which makes it more then the simplistic game that it is.project343

Crackdown was more of an interactive chat room for me. While the game was entertaining, I simply used it to discuss topics with my friends as we just aimlessly destroyed stuff together. On a side note, Crackdown also featured leveling up, which serves as an additional reason to continue playing. If a simplistic game has leveling up, I'll last me much longer then it normally would. :)

Maybe if you got a taste of professional gaming you'd understand.

_en1gma_

I always thought halo 1's campaign was better than halo 2's but i played these game back to back and found halo 2 to be much better. Even though it was short, it did not feel as repetitive as halo one and the graphics, ai, enivironments were so much better.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

Maybe if you got a taste of professional gaming you'd understand.

project343

You compared it to GeOW. GeOW is many times more simple than Halo. Many.

My point still remains. Halo is not simple at all. I hate it when Halo is misinterpreted.

You compared it to GeOW. GeOW is many times more simple than Halo. Many.

My point still remains. Halo is not simple at all. I hate it when Halo is misinterpreted.

_en1gma_

Ah! Now I understand. At times I was looking at you as a hypocrite of sorts. Glad you cleared that up for me.smokeydabear076