This doesn't sound too good. At this rate the Xbox Scorpio will sell lukewarm like the PS4 pro. I like my Pro, but the market is not falling for these mid generation boxes. Presenting a (short term and long term) lineup of new exclusive games is the only way they will get out of this rut.
Phil Spencer Discusses Microsoft's E3 Plans
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If your loosing the biggest factor 3rd party then you better have exclusives to compete. The perception is that microsoft does not have that and it's hard for them to change that at this point. So why not go for the biggest factor with scorpio which makes a lot of sense for the platform.
@blessedbyhorus said:
@Antwan3K:
Yeah. Lets act like Bloodborne doesn't exist.... And Bloodborne is NOT a "third party exclusive". It was actually made by one of Sony's first party studios Japan Studio with the help of the people who made Dark Souls series. Bloodborne which sold a lot and got good scores.
It is a second party (not that second party is a real term, but it is not first party) exclusive. The developer is From Software, the publisher is SCE. Hidetaka Miyazaki was making the game under Project Beast and then signed a deal with Sony to publish the game which Sony helped fund FromSoftware to make the game.
@loe12k said:
Microsoft is not the leader market though, so not sure how much money he got to spend on new games? Scalebound is money wasted because of platinum failing to deliver. I don't think Microsoft cares about winning console races anymore. They seem to be happy just making money and providing services and great console for gamer's who like xbox . Microsoft will have new games at E3 but i don't think we see a roll of new games after new games.
Yep I think so too.
Media, "Phil how is Ms's 1st party lineup?"
Phil, "Look how good Star Wars and Red Dead look on the Scorpio!"
@davillain- said:
There's no doubt in my mind Scorpio will be the main attraction but I do find it puzzling Phil didn't even hinted any new IP games coming for Xbox One but I guess we'll have to wait for E3 2017 and see if MS can WOW the crowd.
@Ant_17 said:
He says "i think" a lot.
And Not saying anyting about 1st party games is weird.
I think it's basically MS moving into next-gen without saying it outright. They need to be very careful how they market Scorpio so it would be unwise to just say Hell with the fans who stuck with us through the Xbox One disaster. MS so wants to move past the Xbox One so their plan IMO is to slowly move people over with the hopes they can work past the Xbox one until it's an afterthought.
No way this thing doesn't have exclusives. It's just a matter of what, when & how.
(I'm just speculating on this)
We can guess all we want.
He didn't say anything. Just that "he thinks" this will be another great year.
@loe12k said:
Microsoft is not the leader market though, so not sure how much money he got to spend on new games? Scalebound is money wasted because of platinum failing to deliver. I don't think Microsoft cares about winning console races anymore. They seem to be happy just making money and providing services and great console for gamer's who like xbox . Microsoft will have new games at E3 but i don't think we see a roll of new games after new games.
Yeah I think you're probably right... which is fine by me.
@blessedbyhorus said:
@Antwan3K:
please enlighten us.. prior to Horizon: Zero Dawn, what "new stars" did Sony 1st party bring to the table that justifies the 2:1 sales advantage the PS4 has been enjoying for the last 3 years?.. beyond that one game, both companies have put out their usual franchises of Uncharted, Halo, Infamous, Gears, and etc coupled with a few notable 3rd party exclusives like Bloodborne and Titanfall..
Yeah. Lets act like Bloodborne doesn't exist.... And Bloodborne is NOT a "third party exclusive". It was actually made by one of Sony's first party studios Japan Studio with the help of the people who made Dark Souls series. Bloodborne which sold a lot and got good scores.
This idea that Sony has been killing Microsoft with exclusives this entire generation is just plain false.. yes, one incredibly strong 1st party offering in Horizon coupled with some timely Japanese 3rd party releases like Nioh and Nier has created this perception, but it's just a perception, not the reality..
They have been especially when it comes to scores.
The reality is that "superior mulitplats" (coupled with tons of goodwill and positive PR) was the primary reason why the PS4 has been shooting off like a rocket in terms of sales.. No one is saying that Xbox One is going to win back the generation due to "superior mulitplats" on Scorpio but pretending like a "lack of exclusives" has been the primary issue is just not true..
No one said lack of exclusives is why the Xbox One is losing to PS4. We all know it was because of the terrible launch. However the lack of good exclsuives from the Xbox One is NOT helping. Exclusives last gen was how the PS3 caught up to the 360. MS can do the same thing with the Scorpio/Xbox brand.
Microsoft's 1st party has been on pace, and arguably out-pacing, Sony 1st party studios this generation in terms of putting out content and yet Microsoft is sitting at a 2:1 disadvantage in sales.. let's stop pretending that not being able to claim the "best versions" of mulitplatform games wasn't a major factor in that equation..
Out-pacing Sony in WHAT exactly? Sales? Thats debatable... But even so Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive have not done well in sales. Scores? Sony easily been crushing it when it comes to scores.
But more importantly lets look at MS's first party studios compared to Sony's....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios#Software_development_studios
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Interactive_Entertainment#Software_development_studios
Just look at how TINY MS's first party studio team is. So no MS has not been outpacing Sony.
If you want Microsoft to "win", fine.. but it's pretty obvious that one or two AAA "new stars" aren't going to be some magic silver bullet to solve their current issue and feeding into that false narrative is just doing more harm than good..
lol... This is the complacent attitude I'm talking about. No one said its going to be some magical bullet, but its going to HELP A LOT. Like it did for the PS3. How are you even certain that the Scorpio having the best looking multiplats is going to help the Scorpio???
How did I pretend Bloodborne doesn't exist when I specifically mentioned it?.. From Software is not a Sony 1st party studio.. Bloodborne was published by Sony but it was made by a 3rd party developer..
"crushing it" and "lack of good exclusives" are not accurate statements.. In terms of massive 1st party "system sellers" (which is exactly what we're talking about if we're trying to explain why the PS4 has a 2:1 sales advantage), we're talking about games like infamous: Second Son, Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, and Horizon: Zero Dawn versus Halo 5: Guardians, Gears of War 4, Forza Motorsports 6, and Forza Horizon 3.. Let's not pretend indie games like Until Dawn and Ori and the Blind Forest were moving consoles.. so in terms of actual "system sellers" that's three Sony 1st party games with 80%, 93% and 89% on Metacritic versus four Microsoft 1st party with 84%, 84%, 86%, and 91% respectively.. no matter how you slice it, in terms of flagship system selling 1st party titles, that isn't exactly a landslide victory in favor of Sony.. I omitted 1st parties like Knack, The Order 1886, and Halo Wars 2 because those aren't "system sellers".. I omitted 2nd and 3rd party exclusives like Bloodborne, Titanfall, Dead Rising 3&4, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, and others because the narrative isn't "Microsoft needs to make more deals with 3rd parties for exclusives".. the narrative is that "Microsoft 1st party has been getting 'crushed' by Sony 1st party studios" and that's simply not true..
You seem to acknowledge that a terrible launch was a factor for the PS4 sales dominance but are we just going to ignore "resolutiongate" and headline, after headline, after headline, concerning the PS4's superior hardware power?.. you don't think that played a factor in better sales?..
It's not an issue of complacency.. Hell yea, more system selling 1st party exclusives are definitely a good thing.. what it's about is not feeding into this false narrative that "Xbox has no games", "Sony 1st party has been crushing Microsoft 1st party", and etc all the while pretending that having superior performance for mulitplats wasn't a major factor for the vast majority of this generation.. these statements are built upon perception and a need for Sony fans to shift the conversation from "hardware power" to "exclusives" in the face of Project Scorpio.. and props to them for getting that narrative to stick.. the problem is that you're just feeding into that shift with the comments you've made in this thread so far..
@Antwan3K: It's hard to determine exactly what drives sales, but with PS4, it doesn't seem to be rocket science. The terrible Xbox One launch set the pace. This gen is the first time I can remember that the stronger, slimmer, sleeker console actually launched at a cheaper price than the weaker one. Power plays a role in these decisions, certainly, but it is not necessarily the key to them.
I like to think that, as a generation matures, hardware tends to sell more on word-of-mouth and exclusives (both first and third party) than just pure hype and price; for example, the PS2 sold well initially due to its DVD capabilities, backwards compatibility, and hype. It was definitely inferior to the Dreamcast in terms of exclusives over its first year. But then, even as more powerful rivals were released, the PS2 leveraged its strong base of support with better first and third party support, creating a juggernaut which could not be defeated regardless of what its competitors did, even though the other systems played multiplats with better graphics (especially Xbox).
In fact, every Sony system launches the same way. It launches on hype, then delivers exclusives (again, both first and third party) over time, until it results in a snowball effect which increases their momentum. Obviously third party support is important too, and Sony has always gotten strong third party support - no one ever really doubts that a Sony console will fail to receive a major game, Western or Japanese. Finally, it is important to note Sony just has a worldwide brand strength which Xbox doesn't have outside of North America, and that will probably always limit their potential.
I'm definitely intrigued to see what Microsoft has up their sleeves, and to see what the Scorpio will offer.
Hopefully there will be some nice looking exclusives, whether they be first party or third party (and hopefully they don't get cancelled at some later point...)
@Pedro said:
MS is competing with Sony, Nintendo is no threat to either company so it is still a single "front war".
oh please. They are well on their to copying the switch. Just like motion controls on Wii led to kinect and PS move.
If they really didn't feel so threatened why are they so desperate to copy Nintendo.
@SakusEnvoy said:
@Antwan3K: It's hard to determine exactly what drives sales, but with PS4, it doesn't seem to be rocket science. The terrible Xbox One launch set the pace. This gen is the first time I can remember that the stronger, slimmer, sleeker console actually launched at a cheaper price than the weaker one. Power plays a role in these decisions, certainly, but it is not necessarily the key to them.
I like to think that, as a generation matures, hardware tends to sell more on word-of-mouth and exclusives (both first and third party) than just pure hype and price; for example, the PS2 sold well initially due to its DVD capabilities, backwards compatibility, and hype. It was definitely inferior to the Dreamcast in terms of exclusives over its first year. But then, even as more powerful rivals were released, the PS2 leveraged its strong base of support with better first and third party support, creating a juggernaut which could not be defeated regardless of what its competitors did, even though the other systems played multiplats with better graphics (especially Xbox).
In fact, every Sony system launches the same way. It launches on hype, then delivers exclusives (again, both first and third party) over time, until it results in a snowball effect which increases their momentum. Obviously third party support is important too, and Sony has always gotten strong third party support - no one ever really doubts that a Sony console will fail to receive a major game, Western or Japanese. Finally, it is important to note Sony just has a worldwide brand strength which Xbox doesn't have outside of North America, and that will probably always limit their potential.
no argument here, I agree..
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Pedro said:
MS is competing with Sony, Nintendo is no threat to either company so it is still a single "front war".
oh please. They are well on their to copying the switch. Just like motion controls on Wii led to kinect and PS move.
If they really didn't feel so threatened why are they so desperate to copy Nintendo.
But that remains to be seen if both MS/Sony are indeed gonna copy/paste Nintendo Switch and giving the fact that MS ISN'T even interested in the slightest of Handheld marketing whats-so-ever, I don't see them ever copying Nintendo Switch if ever. Sony on the other hand.
@davillain- said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Pedro said:
MS is competing with Sony, Nintendo is no threat to either company so it is still a single "front war".
oh please. They are well on their to copying the switch. Just like motion controls on Wii led to kinect and PS move.
If they really didn't feel so threatened why are they so desperate to copy Nintendo.
But that remains to be seen if both MS/Sony are indeed gonna copy/paste Nintendo Switch and giving the fact that MS ISN'T even interested in the slightest of Handheld marketing whats-so-ever, I don't see them ever copying Nintendo Switch if ever. Sony on the other hand.
They may not copy the hand held idea but there's other things they could copy. Streaming your console to any TV in the house without moving it around. Streaming to your phone or tablet for some reason. Sony may even revive the Vita since it already has an option to stream your PS4 games on the go as long as your PS4 is left on or however that works.
@SakusEnvoy said:
@Antwan3K: It's hard to determine exactly what drives sales, but with PS4, it doesn't seem to be rocket science. The terrible Xbox One launch set the pace. This gen is the first time I can remember that the stronger, slimmer, sleeker console actually launched at a cheaper price than the weaker one. Power plays a role in these decisions, certainly, but it is not necessarily the key to them.
I like to think that, as a generation matures, hardware tends to sell more on word-of-mouth and exclusives (both first and third party) than just pure hype and price; for example, the PS2 sold well initially due to its DVD capabilities, backwards compatibility, and hype. It was definitely inferior to the Dreamcast in terms of exclusives over its first year. But then, even as more powerful rivals were released, the PS2 leveraged its strong base of support with better first and third party support, creating a juggernaut which could not be defeated regardless of what its competitors did, even though the other systems played multiplats with better graphics (especially Xbox).
In fact, every Sony system launches the same way. It launches on hype, then delivers exclusives (again, both first and third party) over time, until it results in a snowball effect which increases their momentum. Obviously third party support is important too, and Sony has always gotten strong third party support - no one ever really doubts that a Sony console will fail to receive a major game, Western or Japanese. Finally, it is important to note Sony just has a worldwide brand strength which Xbox doesn't have outside of North America, and that will probably always limit their potential.
Some good points all of those have been a factor. Ill just add that the point of plea for xbox exclusive is more about situational than anything else. Ps4 took the multiplaform so there for xbox needed exclusives to be competitive. We know it has but it needed more of these global and locale exclusives. These past couple of month should be happening on xbox camp and not playstation. Xboxone should be ps3 troubled lunch lost multiplatform but competitive because of exclusives from sony and those default regional exclusives.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@davillain- said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Pedro said:
MS is competing with Sony, Nintendo is no threat to either company so it is still a single "front war".
oh please. They are well on their to copying the switch. Just like motion controls on Wii led to kinect and PS move.
If they really didn't feel so threatened why are they so desperate to copy Nintendo.
But that remains to be seen if both MS/Sony are indeed gonna copy/paste Nintendo Switch and giving the fact that MS ISN'T even interested in the slightest of Handheld marketing whats-so-ever, I don't see them ever copying Nintendo Switch if ever. Sony on the other hand.
They may not copy the hand held idea but there's other things they could copy. Streaming your console to any TV in the house without moving it around. Streaming to your phone or tablet for some reason. Sony may even revive the Vita since it already has an option to stream your PS4 games on the go as long as your PS4 is left on or however that works.
The Xbox One already had the ability to stream games to Windows 10 devices like tablets, laptops, and etc long before the Switch released.. If anything i'd wager Microsoft plans to expand and refine their Xbox Play Anywhere program and/or maybe utilize their Beam service/streaming tech in order to bring Xbox games to ARM-based devices like smartphones.. that's probably the most we'll see from Microsoft in terms of mobile/handheld gaming in my opinion
Anyone else going to E3? I'll be going to the expo and EA Fanfest and both Xbox conference and their Fanfest. I've been inside the expo show floor before but this will be the first time I'll be attending the conference.
So whatever MS show I'll get to experience real live reaction and feel inside that place. Good or bad, I'm excited and ready. I just hope they give us a free voucher for a Scorpio lol heck I'll even take another Xbox One, maybe even an extra controller. Anyway I just want too see something new.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
They may not copy the hand held idea but there's other things they could copy. Streaming your console to any TV in the house without moving it around. Streaming to your phone or tablet for some reason. Sony may even revive the Vita since it already has an option to stream your PS4 games on the go as long as your PS4 is left on or however that works.
Both systems have streaming to PC as an option so they have already have a similar feature making your point mute. Try grabbing another straw.
I just want great games to play on my console, and this year has many. I don't really care if their first party offerings are lighter this year considering they are launching a new console. Personally speaking I've got a ton of games to play already, I've barely done progress in Mass effect and Prey is coming soon.... the first thing I'm going to do with the Scorpio is put in some serious time with some current favourites like Gears 4 & FH3 to see all the differences, and more importantly because I'm still enjoying them a lot, and they are still being supported nicely today.
That's just me....I don't necessarily want Microsoft to hear me say this lol, and I still want to see as many new game announcements as possible, so we'll see at E3 what happens. It should be an interesting day, looking forward to it
Oh boy, more games I can play elsewhere.
Best of Scorpio doesn't mean a whole lot. If I can play them still really damn nice on PS4 and also play other games I can't play on Scorpio, then I'm fine. Why is this a hard concept for Microsoft?
Besides, I have a PC for when I actually want to play the best versions of multiplats.
@SakusEnvoy said:
@Antwan3K: It's hard to determine exactly what drives sales, but with PS4, it doesn't seem to be rocket science. The terrible Xbox One launch set the pace. This gen is the first time I can remember that the stronger, slimmer, sleeker console actually launched at a cheaper price than the weaker one. Power plays a role in these decisions, certainly, but it is not necessarily the key to them.
I like to think that, as a generation matures, hardware tends to sell more on word-of-mouth and exclusives (both first and third party) than just pure hype and price; for example, the PS2 sold well initially due to its DVD capabilities, backwards compatibility, and hype. It was definitely inferior to the Dreamcast in terms of exclusives over its first year. But then, even as more powerful rivals were released, the PS2 leveraged its strong base of support with better first and third party support, creating a juggernaut which could not be defeated regardless of what its competitors did, even though the other systems played multiplats with better graphics (especially Xbox).
In fact, every Sony system launches the same way. It launches on hype, then delivers exclusives (again, both first and third party) over time, until it results in a snowball effect which increases their momentum. Obviously third party support is important too, and Sony has always gotten strong third party support - no one ever really doubts that a Sony console will fail to receive a major game, Western or Japanese. Finally, it is important to note Sony just has a worldwide brand strength which Xbox doesn't have outside of North America, and that will probably always limit their potential.
Best post of the thread.
Agreed, Microsoft really needs to bring it this E3. Nintendo really showed, in Switch Sales, that they are not going anywhere soon. Nintendo's back in the game.. excuse the horrid pun.. haha
Doesn't sound promising. At least my expectations are now so low it won't take a lot to wow me.
I'm seeing the games are overrated/ games aren't important because we already have enough lines from fanboys gaining steam and its sad. Hold these companies feet to the fire for gods sake. I bought an Xbox and I want good games for it. Why settle for less?
going to be a great E3
nintendo has new hardware out....xbox will be releasing new hardware....and sony...well i guess they will have some games to show. hopefully not VR. they need to just burn those people like they burned vita owners and call it a day.
@KBFloYd: You do know that VR in itself is still a baby in infancy right? Nobody said selling VR devices would be easy, it just takes time and seeing PSVR is the cheapest of any VR devices out there, it may not be much in sales but it's showing VR is slowing becoming the next big thing and I wish all VR devices out there good luck.
I totally expect Sony to show off more VR games since that's well, basically all they have left and other exclusive games I guess.
I've never owned an Xbox and will most likely never get one. That said, I think this is great. Reminds me of the old days with the original Xbox games always running that little bit better and the rare extra spit shine. Happy for the Microsoft fans who will enjoy this and the nerd satisfaction of knowing you have the best possible version (graphically).
@KBFloYd said:
going to be a great E3
nintendo has new hardware out....xbox will be releasing new hardware....and sony...well i guess they will have some games to show. hopefully not VR. they need to just burn those people like they burned vita owners and call it a day.
Yeah, most coming in 2019 at the earliest. Lol.
@Antwan3K:
Dont have enough time to have a lengthy debate. All I want is MS to build up their first party games/studios like Sony did. Agree-disagree.
@flyincloud1116 said:
Media, "Phil how is Ms's 1st party lineup?"
Phil, "Look how good Star Wars and Red Dead look on the Scorpio!"
Ha! Yeah, I just went and watched that interview in its entirety, and he definitely speaks more prominently about 3rd party, sort of mumbles through "...and our first party" statements.
He knows what we know. They just don't have the lineup this year.
@metalslimenite said:
Microsoft needs new leadership asap.
But Major Nelson and Phil Spencer are amazing. Why kick a gift horse in the mouth and take away to all time greats in the industry?
Eh, I'm sure they have plenty to show us. MS usually does come out very strong, they mostly seem to have some issues keeping it up (mostly because they bottle all their major games into a single quarter).
That said, regarding the 3rd party games... in particular the ones he mentioned... Star Wars + Red Dead 2 + Destiny 2 all have marketing deals with Sony. It's not that they'll sell poorly on the XB1/Scorpio, but the full impact of marketing (and bundles) will not be on their side. Which may or may not bite them in the ass, not sure. I also *think* CoD WW2 is with Sony as well (though, not sure).
Destiny and GTAV arguably sold more PS4/PS3 consoles than many of Sony's exclusives for the past 3-4 years (maybe TLOU and HZD are the exception, maybe). That's a big boost that the Scorpio won't get and would definitely help them.
@darkspineslayer said:
Oh boy, more games I can play elsewhere.
Best of Scorpio doesn't mean a whole lot. If I can play them still really damn nice on PS4 and also play other games I can't play on Scorpio, then I'm fine. Why is this a hard concept for Microsoft?
Besides, I have a PC for when I actually want to play the best versions of multiplats.
Then you're not the target demographic, get over it, this isn't hard to come to terms with and you're not other people. I will never understand this need for forum users to project this attitude like they're talking for other people and then figuratively look around the room as if to say "Am I right guys?" seeking validation for their views.
"Why is this a hard concept for Microsoft?" - It's not a hard concept for them, it's a hard concept for you.
Why do you think Play Anywhere exists? So people like you will still spend money and buy Microsoft's games regardless of you owning a dedicated piece of hardware from them or not. Also the PC diatribe is getting kind of stale and wearing thin because if we could peer into the average PC gamers home on this forum we would no doubt find that most are not in a position to play games at the level of this systems capabilities yet continue to ramble on, not to mention HDR isn't really even a thing yet and UHD Blu-Ray doesn't even exist on PC yet, yet this is fundamentally ignored because of "reasons".
@Antwan3K said:
Firstly, he clearly mentioned 1st party BUT let's be clear here: Microsoft wants Scorpio to be the #1 choice for 3rd party content for the rest of this generation.. That's an obvious fact and a very important goal..
Despite the way people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that exclusives have been selling these consoles, this generation has proven, yet again, that 3rd party studios are driving the industry and that the console that provides the best performance for those titles has a clear advantage in both marketing and public perception.. This was showcased to a certain extent last gen but the point has been driven home even further this generation..
The 3rd party system or choice for developer is not the most powerful but the one that sell the most,you want to associate your product with the winner not the loser which is why it was harder for sony to secure games last gen when they were losing.
Exclusive matter and if it wasn't for Halo the xbox brand would have not move very much,in fact Halo was the best selling game on xbox over GTA ports to.
3rd parties games always sell,but exclusives are important,and is sad that after generations of hyping halo,gears,forza and many others on xbox as a selling point for the brand over the PS by people like you all of the sudden you want to pretend they don't matter.
Why in hell would i want an xbox one or scorpio without exclusives? May as well buy a PC and get PC exclusives + the best version of MS games + free to play online.
And the extremely hypocrite about this is that YOU have defend and damage control the xbox one graphics for 3+ years,not only that when MS games were only on xbox on 2013 and 2014 you people hyped sunset over drive F5 and several others,even more Halo 5 in 2015 as something exclusive and now all of the sudden it doesn't matter all of the sudden is about just running multiplatforms better..hahhaahha
You people simply are a joke.
@tormentos said:
@Antwan3K said:
Firstly, he clearly mentioned 1st party BUT let's be clear here: Microsoft wants Scorpio to be the #1 choice for 3rd party content for the rest of this generation.. That's an obvious fact and a very important goal..
Despite the way people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that exclusives have been selling these consoles, this generation has proven, yet again, that 3rd party studios are driving the industry and that the console that provides the best performance for those titles has a clear advantage in both marketing and public perception.. This was showcased to a certain extent last gen but the point has been driven home even further this generation..
The 3rd party system or choice for developer is not the most powerful but the one that sell the most,you want to associate your product with the winner not the loser which is why it was harder for sony to secure games last gen when they were losing.
Exclusive matter and if it wasn't for Halo the xbox brand would have not move very much,in fact Halo was the best selling game on xbox over GTA ports to.
3rd parties games always sell,but exclusives are important,and is sad that after generations of hyping halo,gears,forza and many others on xbox as a selling point for the brand over the PS by people like you all of the sudden you want to pretend they don't matter.
Why in hell would i want an xbox one or scorpio without exclusives? May as well buy a PC and get PC exclusives + the best version of MS games + free to play online.
And the extremely hypocrite about this is that YOU have defend and damage control the xbox one graphics for 3+ years,not only that when MS games were only on xbox on 2013 and 2014 you people hyped sunset over drive F5 and several others,even more Halo 5 in 2015 as something exclusive and now all of the sudden it doesn't matter all of the sudden is about just running multiplatforms better..hahhaahha
You people simply are a joke.
You seem to think that we still live in the 1990's and that exclusives are what drive sales now, that couldn't be any more fundamentally incorrect, look at the sales figures for most of these games and their attach rates. 1 million here? 2 million there out of an install base nearly eclipsing 60 million? I broke down every release for 2017 for the PlayStation 4, do you know what the percentage of multi-platform games was in relation to exclusives? 95.79%.... Exclusives made up only 4.21% of the games released for this year thus far nearly 5 months in.
The first three years of the PlayStation 4's existence were essentially on level with the Xbox One in terms of games it was delivering yet it was continuing to outsell at it roughly a 1.87:1 ratio, and even with all these great games it is getting in 2017 it appears to be selling all the same as it ever was.
Can you explain this?
@blessedbyhorus said:
@Antwan3K:
Dont have enough time to have a lengthy debate. All I want is MS to build up their first party games/studios like Sony did. Agree-disagree.
sure, but considering the fact that for the rest of this year Microsoft 1st party has announced State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, and surely Forza Motorsports 7 is coming, that's 4 more major 1st party releases coming to Xbox relatively soon (I expect Sea of Thieves to be delayed though).. by comparison, for the rest of the year, major Sony 1st party games only include Gran Turismo Sport and Uncharted 4 related content.. So once again, this idea that Sony 1st party is running circles around Microsoft 1st party is just plain false..
But ok, i'll agree to disagree and E3 is just around the corner anyway.. But if you refuse to acknowledge the major titles Microsoft 1st party has been putting out so far this gen and the major titles they still have slated for the rest of this year, I don't know what they can possibly show you at E3 that's going to change your opinion on the matter.. this "All I want is MS to build up their first party games/studios" all just empty talk based on a false premise..
Mighty Scorpio and VG World Domination.
Nuff said. :P
@loe12k said:
Even though Phil Spencer said the opposite and Microsoft is upping the investment. You guys just have a different filter to everyone else.
Yeah lets file this one into bullshit.
'I think the game lineup this year across the board is fantastic,' he said. 'And I think Scorpio will be the best console to go play these games on.
Let star in January 1 to what almost May now?
What fantastic games the xbox one has get this year so far,now don't say FH3 or DR4 those are 2016 games and Phil Spencer was clear this YEAR 2017.
So far you got 1 game Halo wars 2 and even that wasn't all that.
If Phil Spencer claim the xbox one is the best selling console would you believe it as well..hahahaha
@charizard1605 said:
"...I was over at Bungie two weeks ago, and I got to play a little bit, and it got me back into the first game."
"a little bit" yeah, right.
"I gotta do a business trip to Bungie... and Rockstar... and.."
That might be me in Phil's position.
@X_CAPCOM_X said:
@charizard1605 said:
"...I was over at Bungie two weeks ago, and I got to play a little bit, and it got me back into the first game."
"a little bit" yeah, right.
"I gotta do a business trip to Bungie... and Rockstar... and.."
That might be me in Phil's position.
*talking to travel coordinator at Xbox*
"Yeah, I'm gonna need to take a business trip down to Rockstar for reasons."
"How long?"
"... how long before I have to come back?"
@davillain- said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Pedro said:
MS is competing with Sony, Nintendo is no threat to either company so it is still a single "front war".
oh please. They are well on their to copying the switch. Just like motion controls on Wii led to kinect and PS move.
If they really didn't feel so threatened why are they so desperate to copy Nintendo.
But that remains to be seen if both MS/Sony are indeed gonna copy/paste Nintendo Switch and giving the fact that MS ISN'T even interested in the slightest of Handheld marketing whats-so-ever, I don't see them ever copying Nintendo Switch if ever. Sony on the other hand.
Yeah.
MS and Sony started the Kinect and Move years after the Wii so i don't think we will see either of them copy the Switch.
Sony could try Vita 2, but they better run the idea by some people before that.
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