Phil Spencer obliterating distinction between Xbox and PC

This is why ppl arent buying the one. Even though I am not a pc gamer, just the thought of my games that are supposed to be "system sellers" and the reasons why I bought the console in the first place being superior on another platform makes me cringe.

@AzatiS: I don't think it hurts the Xbox One in the eyes of fans of the Xbox One, it should only streghthen their position in having one. Its the fanboys on the other side of the table that see this as a strike against the Xbox One.

Explain how in the world having X1 exclusives on PC soon or later strengthen their position ?! How on earth fanboys of the other side is the one seeing this as a strike against X1 when they dont even own one on the first place , not only they have nothing to "lose" but theyll manage to play major X1 exclusives on their PCs.

You dont make any sense ... " X1 exclusives heading on PC , go buy an X1 now " Something doesnt fit dont you think ?

What really doesn't make any sense is people believing that consumers need exclusives. Do you honestly think the average casual console gamer (by far the largest proportion of the console market) gives shit if a game is on PC or not?

Don't be a corporate tool begging for exclusives.

I would give a shit if a game is on Pc or not since i own a PC , like most console gamers do , so yes , If i can play X1 exclusives and most of multis why to even think to own an X1 ? Theres no reason to except if im a huge fan of ...an EXCLUSIVE ! Yeap , thats right . I wont even speak which console plays most multis better and its the lead console for multiplatform games for majority of developers, wont even be fair.

So , get your facts straight. X1 doing bad , they still havent revealed total sales like Sony and Nintendo did already , reverse of policies , cutting price , kinect removal , another price cut , free games , mega bundles , free online ... all these things in a year .

And since X1 is nowhere near to total sales MS wanted to be obviously , suddenly PC is appealing for MS. Because the software sales will get a significant boost and this translates to money , money and more money. As a PC gamer myself , bring them. More games for me to play. If someone wins over all this drama , are PC gamers , MS and Sony.

PC = more games to play to an already amazing library

MS = more money thru highly acclaimed titles

Sony = more money since PS4 will be way more appealing to own for casual/mediocre gamer or to the massive amount of gamers that already own a PC

Its a win - win scenario for all , except X1 fanboys that is

Done by sony first,done by sony first,done by sony first..lol

'Maybe you lemmings should start seeing this as what it truly is the end of the xbox as a console..

Funny how all of the sudden MS is all about PC gaming and moving its first party game closer to PC,i think next gen MS will not come back to the console race and will focus on promoting xbox games on PC.

Is not the first time i say it that MS move is not a good side for xbox gamers...

I've been hearing this for at least 10 years now. Phil Spencer is just trying his best to convince people to switch to Windows 10. So far they haven't announced a single PC game. All of them are late Console ports and some of them were already available on PC. Their heavy hitters are still Xbox One exclusive. In fact they PAID 3rd party devs to keep games away from PC for few months, like Ryse, Tomb Raider, Dead Rising 3 etc.

I'll believe them when they'll port Quantum Break on PC and give us actual PC games like some new PC only RTS or new Age game or Freelancer 2. Hell, a lot of people ask Microsoft to start supporting PC Gaming by releasing Master Chief Collection on PC, I'd say Microsoft should start supporting PC Gaming by AT LEAST allowing CD Projekt to publish DECADE old PC games like Freelancer on GOG. They completely pulled the plug. Dat PC support.

I really couldn't care less about what console is selling what and which is beating the others. What I can't stand is this consumers demanding platform exclusives, the only people who benefit from exclusives are the console manufacturers because people buy consoles for two or three exclusives. It's a very strange and mindlessly selfish attitude to have. "I own X console and can play this game, you own Y and can't hahaha" wtf is that all about?

Fortunately that's an attitude reserved mostly to kids and the handful of gamers who frequent sites such as this.

If I wanted to, I could own all the consoles under the sun (edit: not literally all of them, one of each brand) and buy every single game that took my fancy on them. I don't want them though, there just aren't enough games I can't get on PC and far, far, far more I can get on PC but not on console. So I choose to game on PC and have an up to date high rig that keeps me happy. I'll also never sing the praises of an exclusive because it's an exclusive.

As far as I'm concerned I'd be way happier if all games were platform agnostic and with the direction MS seem to be going that's possibly going to happen with Xbox and Windows and that's a good thing. Only a small percentage of fanboys will see it differently.

I don't understand how your brain works. Who said anything about Sony here? This thread is about Windows 10 devices and Xbox One. You like the PS4. We got it.

Care to discuss anything other than M$ bashing? What games have you been playing? Do you have PS+ yet? How's your PC running?

I wouldnt care less also BUT i would care to what product i would spend my money except if i had plenty to spare for all 4 platforms and problem solved. If everyone were that rich i dont think we would need System wars in first place.

The main reason to buy a console are its exclusives . If not for minority , for majority at least. Its common sense really.

You having 2 products with exactly the same multiplatform games ! The first thing youll check is ... exclusives AND maybe hardware. And thats it. Because by your logic X1 losing multiplatform war as well and everyone should be gaming on PS4 ( console wise ).

Again , its win/win scenario for all. Mostly for PC gamers like me and making PS4 purchase having way more sense than ever

@AzatiS: That conversation list was getting too long. I hate the entire exclusive thing, you've probably guessed that, but that doesn't mean they'll go away. This MS bringing Xbox and Windows 10 into a single entity is not entirely aimed at you (or me) or people who are willing to own more than one gaming system, it's aimed at the casual gamers and family gamers. i.e. people like my rl mates.

We've been meeting up on a Wednesday night for around 25 years now and at the moment the go to games are Forza 3 (we've nearly finished every race but not quite) and Modern Warfare 3 (for split screen survival mode - a couple of them only ever play Underground) and it's the reason we all own 360's. These guys are never going to own a PC capable of playing games but they all have PC's for browsing the internet and face book and they all own one console. This is your average casual gamer, they haven't upgraded to a gen 8 and are in no rush to do so, these are the people that MS are after.

Between my family and my wife's there are 18 children ranging in age from 6 to 23 and each family unit has one console (I have two, a Wii and a 360), again there is no real care about what games are on what platform, the boys want to play CoD and GTA, so they're generally happy with having the same console as their mates and I doubt any of them would lose a moment of sleep if Halo 5 and Forza 6 were launched on PC the same day as Xbox One. Again these are the people MS are targeting.

People like us, we're far more educated and informed as to what's happening in the games industry, as a whole, they don't have to target anything at us because generally we'll buy them all anyway. As much as Core gamers and enthusiasts like to dream about being the favoured few, in reality we're not, we're just the noisiest. The casual market is worth far more and integrating Xbox into Windows and making all things compatible between them could a master stroke by MS. I honestly think it's something they should have done from the beginning of Xbox.

@tormentos: Actually, they could come back to the console, race, just with a PC/Console Hybrid OS, where input changes depending whether you plug in a M&K or a Controller and TV is a better chance, which is something that Sony can't do

done first =/= done best.. imo, having cross play, cross buy, cross chat, and streaming with PC and PC gamers is way better than having that same connectivity with a dead handheld and a last-gen console..

And do you realy think that the success of Windows 10 gaming on PC means that every single person will magically prefer to build a PC rather than spend a fraction of the money, time, and effort to just plug a console into their TV?.. there's a massive market of people who simply prefer playing their games on consoles.. that's a fact.. if you think Microsoft is going to give up on that revenue stream, then you're a bigger idiot than I thought.. Gamers buying Win10 games is a win for Microsoft. Gamers buying console games on the Xbox is a win for Microsoft. in what warped universe do you live in where a company with the scale and reach of Microsoft can't enjoy the fruits of both those environments? Theyre just doing the obvious thing and taking control of PC gaming before Valve continues to dominate a space where they could be making a ton of money as well..

You should never run a company dude.. "Wow, our console is selling better than it ever has before!!.. We're also updating it so it runs the same Windows 10 core as our PC division and also can be developed with DX12 just like our PC games!.. Hey, if Windows 10 gaming takes off, lets just kill the Xbox One and let Sony have a monopoly on the living room!!.. Killing the Xbox will also make investors and developers lose all confidence in our unified Windows 10 strategy!!! This is a great idea!!".. wow, what a moron..

Magnificent post my friend!

So they can use a figure to jack up against the PS4 sales? j/k

This is the problem with you,do you say that to Nyadc,blackace,stormyjoe,kuu2,mems,kingtito and the rest of the lemmings who do nothing but downplay sony no matter what the thread is about.?

Oh wait you your self do this shit to,since you are a blind lemm,now stop been a hypocrite and see every one instead of getting hyped over what i say.

I don't even know how you bring the PC crap after i handed your a$$ to you when you try to flash your flashy PC at me as if that prove that you know anything about PC...lol

Last gen console?...hahahaa

You know those features are on PS4 now right.? Since launch the PS4 has all 3 dude where in hell have you been...hahaha PC vs PS4 is supported since day 1 on PS4 without waiting for it like on xbox one..lol

Consoles now don't cost a fraction of what a gaming PC cost,stop saying silly things a $450 PC or $400 will beat your xbox one you don't need something that powerful to beat it,a cheap 7770 will do.

I am not debating where ever people like consoles over PC,there is a huge sector that those like console over PC,problem is on MS side and how they haven't win a single generation in 14 years,maybe those investors gave MS until this xbox to win an get a 1st place,if not the transition to windows from xbox should occur and maybe that is what i am seeing here.

No it is barely head to head with the xbox 360 after a barrage of price cuts and freebies the xbox 360 never had,MS dropped $100 from the xbox one in 7 months with the xbox one,the xbox 360 didn't see a price drop until august 2007 almost 2 years after launch and was $50 not $100,oh and MS has done 2 already since it is now $350 and with free games which the xbox 360 didn't have either.

NO all the contrary it will make investors happy which would love to see the xbox one 7 foot down under dirt,in fact MS moving its games to PC will be seen with good eyes by investors as that is what they want MS to focus on software and leave the hardware to others.

Windows phones.

Surface tables

The xbox one

All are losing product by considerable margins and most of what they produce is losses.

Is not like sony didn't have a monopoly before the xbox and gamecube were so little competition it was like they weren't even here.

http://gamerant.com/ps4-xbox-one-sales-better-than-ps3-xbox-360-944/

stfu.

As a console ,yes, as a game Brand i don't think so, the Xbox isn't just a console anymore, it's become it's own Eco system With xbox live available across all of Micrsofts platforms.

Xbox games on multiple different hardware.

Rubbish,

'In 1998, four engineers from Microsoft's DirectX team, Kevin Bachus, Seamus Blackley, Ted Hase and DirectX team leader Otto Berkes, disassembled some Delllaptop computers to construct a prototypeMicrosoft Windows-based video game console. The team hoped to create a console to compete with Sony's upcoming PlayStation 2, which was luring game developers away from the Windows platform. The team approached Ed Fries, the leader of Microsoft's game publishing business at the time, and pitched their "DirectX Box" console based on the DirectX graphics technology developed by Berkes' team. Fries decided to support the team's idea of creating a Windows DirectX based console.^'

The original Xbox should have been out before the Ps2 but Microsoft was held up with SEGA and the dreamcast

It was Microsoft's first video game console after collaborating with Sega to port Windows CE to the Dreamcast console. Microsoft repeatedly delayed the console, which was first mentioned publicly in late 1999 during interviews with Microsoft's then-CEOBill Gates. Gates stated that “we want Xbox to be the platform of choice for the best and most creative game developers in the world.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_%28console%29

'first mentioned publicly in late 1999 during interviews with Microsoft's then-CEOBill Gates'

Don't talk BS lad, seriously.

Ok , so i have my facts mixed up , my bad

It seems like to me, that MS know full well, that as a stand alone console, Sony's Playstation brand is far more powerful across the globe... the traditional console market, while not dying... still needs to evolve. I imagine the Xbox brand will just become what STEAM is now... a digital brand, with branded console boxes ... but work across multiple devices (E.G PCs and more).... this is the future. Hell ... even Nintendo seem to have realised it based on the NX information.

Why own an xbox one? for the more casual people in the house or family... or just another method of getting a playable experience elsewhere in the house, and a more interconnected experience.

Same as my PS4... why get the Mrs an expensive PC to play FFXIV with me when I could just have her play on the PS4 on our TV? Fable Legends? if its any good .... she can now play with me while I play on the PC too. she can also stream to her Windows 10 laptop elsewhere in the house if required.

Exclusives... are getting rare, they will never disapear. but gaming companies moving forward will not just be about one singular device.... but options.

Microsoft, are naturally in a much better position than Sony/Nintendo for this, wether or not it will pay off is still up in the air... since the PC market is now only big for industry/gaming ... and they have no hold over phones/tablets.

I want MS to beat Apple/Google ... I honestly believe they have more to offer in the long run... (as a gamer anyway... or hell, as any software user).... kinda sad the situation they are now in. and Google / Apple are no saints either.

But sods law... the technically best companies don't always win. Peoples hate for microsoft is generally pretty stupid.

This is great for actual gamers. Terrible for fanboys.

Just like BC. MS seems to know how to make a great gaming machine rather than rental machine like PS4 is.

Thats the main reason why after 10 years of just statements about bringing Xbox family to PC its becoming a reality today. Like if X1 was selling extremely good MS would even think to consider to "unify" the 2 platforms. Thats what im trying to say to the other guy , the reason behind this move this specific moment.

As a PC gamer myself , i only see this as beneficial . And if MS manage to take my money while they wouldnt even see a single $ since i would never owned an X1 , thats good for them too. And with this move thats where they aiming imho. They know what PC gaming is becoming , a global giant when it comes to gaming. Proffessional gaming , tournaments , live events , live stream , online/multiplayer gaming , sponsors left and right and the list goes on and on ... They know what is going on and they aiming to the right platform imho.

My feelings towards MS are mixed though.... OS wise , console wise , console exclusive wise , CEO wise , policies wise ... is really mixed. Sometimes positive , sometimes really negative. Im not hating MS but when it comes to gaming , i wont hype them as well.

i said it once i will say it again next gen we will get pc's branded xbox & PS ......

That is good news for everyone lol except ppl who dropped $500 on xb1 at launch . Knowing ill eventually be able to play scalebound better in every area on PC means ill never have to worry about buying an xbox1

You'll be able to stream Scalebound to your PC and play it that way. That's about it. I expect once Win10 and DX12 hits the XB1, many PC games using Win10/DX12 will become available for the XB1. I wouldn't be surprised to see a version of Steam on the XB1 sometime in the future. You PC gamers thinking that every XB1 game will just get released to the PC are dreaming. If anything I see more PC exclusive coming to the XB1 in the future.

All your exclusives belong to us :)

He's also obliterating the relevance of the Xbox brand.

So Xbox One is a wannabe PC confirmed?

In response to your gibberish:

yes, the PS3 is a last gen console..

Yes, cross-connectivity has been on the PS4 since launch. Yet that cross-connectively only extends to a dead handheld (Vita) and a last-gen console (PS3).. Windows 10 has an estimated install base of 50 million and it just released about 2 weeks ago.. having that connectivity to PC and PC gamers absolutely destroys being able to cross buy, cross play, and cross chat with a PS Vita..

To the casual gamer, consoles are typically a more convenient option versus building a gaming PC.. that's just the way it is..

"not being in 1st place" =/= "failure".. is the iPhone a failure?.. Android owns about 80% of the worldwide smartphone market, sir.. I guess if you were the CEO of Apple, you'd shut the doors and sell off the company right?.. what an idiot..

The Xbox One is selling faster than the 360.. that's a fact.. the 360 was Microsoft's most successful console prior to the Xbox One, that's a fact.. The Xbox One is Microsoft's most successful console to date, that's a fact..

Mobile is the future.. The living room is the future.. Windows Phone, Surface, and Xbox represent mobile and the living room.. No matter what, if Microsoft as a company wants to stay at the cutting edge of the future, they are not leaving the mobile space and they are not leaving the living room.. Again, you have absolutely no business sense if you believe otherwise..

Can't wait to play games like Overwatch, Fortnite, XCom 2, Unreal Tournament, Battlecry, Wreckfest and other PC games on my XB1.

Well, enjoy. :P

I'm not a hermit, just don't want to buy an xbox one haha

I think MS's next gen console may very well be some sort of console/pc hybrid. It might even be able to be upgraded as well, but that remains to be seen. It sure looks like these companies are trying to come together, with Steam releasing it's steam machines. This just looks like MS is trying the same thing, but from the other side.

If that does indeed happen, whether it be this gen or next, it automatically makes the xbox brand the defacto gaming machine. Even with all its sales, exclusives, and ecosystem, Sony will be left out in the cold along with Nintendo. Gamers who want to play all the best games will be lured into the xbox ecosystem. As soon as this happens, I would expect games such as Forza and Halo to make their way over to pc.

yep.. these short-sighted cows are failing to see the big picture.. merging PC gaming and Xbox gaming under the same banner of Windows 10 gaming, complete with one unified marketplace is HUGE.. in the short term, fanboys will claim ownage over Xbox One titles being available on the PC.. but, in the real world, console gamers are going to continue to buy games on Xbox One.. PC gamers are still going to buy Win10 games on PC.. and Microsoft will benefit from both..

Cows think PS4 sales are crazy at 25 million in over 2+ years?.. Windows 10 is rumored to be installed in 50 million PCs in less than 2 WEEKS!!.. A unified PC/Xbox One market is a game changer if Microsoft doesn't drop the ball..

Sure, PC elitists claim they'll have no reason to buy an Xbox One at that point, and sure that may be true.. But if you're a PC gamer and your casual gamer friend asks you which gaming console do you think they should buy, which console would you recommend?.. The Xbox One that allows them to cross-system chat with you on PC and allows them to cross-system play with you on PC or a PS4?.. If you, as a PC gamer, decide to buy a console in addition to your PC, would you buy an Xbox One that (hopefully) takes advantage of cross-buy and provides you with many of the Win10 PC games you already bought and makes them available for play on your new console (hopefully, coupled with PC-to-Xbox streaming) or do you buy a PS4 just for Sony exclusives?.. At that point, it's a decision of ecosystem and seamless integration versus diversity.. It's no different for a guy who has an iPad and decides to get a Samsung Galaxy phone for the diversity between devices or a guy with an iPad who decides to get an iPhone for the cohesive ecosystem between devices.. It just boils down to personal preference..

But hey, some fanboys are just short-sighted or flat-out blind.. they'll ignore the obvious no matter what..

Good.. Consoles no longer hold the advantages they use to have 10 years ago.. I view both the PS4 and XboxOne now as incredibly restrictive pc's in which the devs and publishers tell you how you can play your game..

@AzatiS: Just a couple of points. If you don't have a gaming PC, the Xbox One is a great option because (if it shapes up like its looking) you'll have a larger install base to play with when combined with the PC gamers. If you have a gaming PC, it will be great to be able to stream your games in another room, on to your tv, while taking advantage of the Xbox One's fantastic multimedia capabilities. Like I said, I only see this as bad for people that have something against the Xbox One (sad face and lol, at people having issues with a device they don't own).

Side comment about capabilities. My brother was over yesterday, and was playing Diablo 3 on my Xbox One in the Tree House (what I call my man cave). I was down stairs doing some work, and started to stream the Xbox One to my W10 tablet, so I could watch his progress. After finishing what I was doing, I didn't feel like going to the third floor but I wanted to play with him, so I plugged in an Xbox One controller, lo and behold couch co-op in different rooms, EPIC!

@Fuhrer_D:

That's some cool stuff right there, epic indeed...... Tree house and all. :)

I've been trying my hardest to ignore you. I just wanted to say, for the record, you didn't hand me anything. Project Cars min requirements ask for a Quad Core and you listed a Dual Core CPU as evidence that the game is CPU intensive. It doesn't matter which one is faster, the Dual Core doesn't meet the games min requirements. Just because a 4130 beat your 6 core AMD doesn't mean anything.

Only 2 AMD CPU's benched higher than the Dual Core Intel CPU. You know, the CPU that doesn't meet Slightly Mad Studios' requirements. I think that says more about AMD CPU's running Project Cars than anything. AMD GPU's have had terrible trouble running the game too. But that doesn't fit your argument so you will ignore it.

Its you missing the point ... You calling X1 great for what exactly ? Stream from another room or on your tv , having fantastic multimedia capabilities ( like PC or other consoles dont ) and that you could play co-op from different room.

Sad face and lol at the same time ... When the main point of consoles is ... GAMES. Thats about it , what kind of games and who plays it better ( for multiplatforms ). That was the case 30 years , that was the case 20 years ago and thats the case right now. Thats the main reason why a gamer ( not a casual nonsense type of gamer that was buying a Wii last gen for it to become a dust collector a month after ) should choose a console or a platform over the other.

When you bypassing like its no existant , the stronger reason why someone spending money for a console , we cant have a legit debate.

Wrong, users can buy a game and play it on an Xbox console or PC giving gamers the CHOICE. Cross buy will be a very good thing for gamers. Those that want to play the game as they were designed will get a console, and those that have gaming PCs can take advantage of extra computing power and crank the graphics up to 11. Plus using a similar core base code makes it easier for devs to cross programming the games. No matter how you look at it, its a great idea, and it will pay off for MS leaving Sony in the dust.

Xbox hardware won't drop, it will be for the casuals or less PC inclined. Not to mention, once the XBONE gen ends, you can still play those games on your PC in the future for backwards compatibility. Sadly, Sony is stuck in a rut. Yes they have better hardware right now... but they didn't last gen, and aren't necessarily going to next gen either.

So it looks like ReCore is also PC release with Xbox One according to a link on Gaf

@AzatiS: Does Xbox One not play games? Does games going to the PC and Xbox One at the sametime with crossplay not give gamers more access to other gamers? Does the expereince not get better when you give gamers more games, way to play games, and gamers to play with? I don't see an issue here; only benifits, but alas, I'm a gamer, not a system warmonger.