Phil Spencer talks about Cloud Processing.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] the A.I could still be good or bad the only thing the cloud in theory does is taking the load off from the console CPU.Mr720fan

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtNEWMAHAY

the powerzzzzzzzzzzzzzz of teh cellllllllllz

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtMr720fan

the powerzzzzzzzzzzzzzz of teh cellllllllllz

i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtstereointegrity

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtNEWMAHAY

The Cell did work if programmed right. The problem was that third parties did not have the time or money to be able to program it properly. It was a big flub by Sony.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Well they said we would never put a man on the moon, so we'll see. I'll necro this thread in a few years to see what has actually transpired. Heil68

PNF MIGHT BE RIGHT AGAIN, PODCAST for life

this aint clearcut, microsoft is going to start late out of the gate but will gain steam is mine. To say its dead is a little premature for me and the news keeps on coming.

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtdream431ca

The Cell did work if programmed right. The problem was that third parties did not have the time or money to be able to program it properly. It was a big flub by Sony.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtMr720fan

you sound like you are mad and wanna like it but cant cause of your alligence with the disc swapping cows.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i cant believe lems are giving into this cloud bullshtTessellation

People sucked into the cloud BS don't understand how little bandwidth you can get from an average broadband connection compared to the the bandwidth internally in the console. It isn't enough to even move the needle, seriously. Not to say there's no use for such a setup, such as general A.I., world physics, destructible environments, ect that need to be the same for all players in a multiplayer match. Instead of one console running the all those systems, then sending the info out to each other player, you can run those sub systems on a server and everyone gets the info with less lag. Sure, that's a benefit, but isn't that about what you'd expect from dedicated servers anyhow? It's just now they say "cloud" or "infinite computing" and people get sucked into the buzzwords. santoron

well how much bandwidth can you get since you are a scientist on this? 56K? thats the connection requirement?

[QUOTE="santoron"]People sucked into the cloud BS don't understand how little bandwidth you can get from an average broadband connection compared to the the bandwidth internally in the console. It isn't enough to even move the needle, seriously. Not to say there's no use for such a setup, such as general A.I., world physics, destructible environments, ect that need to be the same for all players in a multiplayer match. Instead of one console running the all those systems, then sending the info out to each other player, you can run those sub systems on a server and everyone gets the info with less lag. Sure, that's a benefit, but isn't that about what you'd expect from dedicated servers anyhow? It's just now they say "cloud" or "infinite computing" and people get sucked into the buzzwords. Mr720fan

well how much bandwidth can you get since you are a scientist on this? 56K? thats the connection requirement?

How much is max download speed right now?

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]People sucked into the cloud BS don't understand how little bandwidth you can get from an average broadband connection compared to the the bandwidth internally in the console. It isn't enough to even move the needle, seriously. Not to say there's no use for such a setup, such as general A.I., world physics, destructible environments, ect that need to be the same for all players in a multiplayer match. Instead of one console running the all those systems, then sending the info out to each other player, you can run those sub systems on a server and everyone gets the info with less lag. Sure, that's a benefit, but isn't that about what you'd expect from dedicated servers anyhow? It's just now they say "cloud" or "infinite computing" and people get sucked into the buzzwords. dream431ca

well how much bandwidth can you get since you are a scientist on this? 56K? thats the connection requirement?

How much is max download speed right now?

i guess he doesnt have the answers? To make a statement like he said I thought he would know the answer, guess not, latency is the only thing you really have to worry about when it comes to the cloud, they can dedicate a stream of speed im assuming for cloud computing. I would think a mb would be suffice, but who the hell knows, you can have compression all types of stuff, i dont think MSFT is putting money into a made up lie.

u go look at asteroids, ill be playing infamous GG son.campzor

ill do that and then play Killer Instinct and Titanfall and toggle between them without swapping your discs lol

[QUOTE="campzor"]u go look at asteroids, ill be playing infamous GG son.Mr720fan

ill do that and then play Killer Instinct and Titanfall and toggle between them without swapping your discs lol

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]u go look at asteroids, ill be playing infamous GG son.campzor

ill do that and then play Killer Instinct and Titanfall and toggle between them without swapping your discs lol

you cant play two games and change between them like you can on the x1. You can pause one and go to the other, pause and go back and forth, for you, thats not happening and probably would do it just by swapping your scratched discs

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

ill do that and then play Killer Instinct and Titanfall and toggle between them without swapping your discs lol

Mr720fan

you cant play two games and change between them like you can on the x1. You can pause one and go to the other, pause and go back and forth, for you, thats not happening and probably would do it just by swapping your scratched discs

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] why even say the last bit? All ps4 games you can buy digitally as well.Heil68

you cant play two games and change between them like you can on the x1. You can pause one and go to the other, pause and go back and forth, for you, thats not happening and probably would do it just by swapping your scratched discs

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

you cant play two games and change between them like you can on the x1. You can pause one and go to the other, pause and go back and forth, for you, thats not happening and probably would do it just by swapping your scratched discs

Mr720fan

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

I'm going to laugh if the cloud ends up being used to put ads into games. Like they can have dynamic posters on the street in gta that will tell you things that are in your area. I bet something like that ends up happening. But hey, if the cloud really is awesome, I'm all for it. The more the cloud can do means the less I have to spend on hardware, so anyone who is a gamer should want the succsess of cloud, I know I do.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] and you'll do that a lot, right? I see a lot of people playing 2 games at once. Looking at your gamercard I'm saying you never will.lol campzor

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

if i lose my tv remote, i just talk to my x1, can you do that on the ps4?

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

Mr720fan

if i lose my tv remote, i just talk to my x1, can you do that on the ps4?

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] yes, its called a tv remote.campzor

if i lose my tv remote, i just talk to my x1, can you do that on the ps4?

lol

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

well how much bandwidth can you get since you are a scientist on this? 56K? thats the connection requirement?

Mr720fan

How much is max download speed right now?

i guess he doesnt have the answers? To make a statement like he said I thought he would know the answer, guess not, latency is the only thing you really have to worry about when it comes to the cloud, they can dedicate a stream of speed im assuming for cloud computing. I would think a mb would be suffice, but who the hell knows, you can have compression all types of stuff, i dont think MSFT is putting money into a made up lie.

Nah, I just move around from conversation to conversation, forum to forum, and even offline (:shock: ).  If I knew you had your panties in such a bunch I might've hurried back, but prolly not.

The average internet connection in the developed world hovers around 8mps (some less like the US, some more), which translates to 1MB/s.  The XBone's memory in comparison can chug through about 68,000MB/s, and even that was deemed too slow to keep up with the CPU and GPU needs and has been augmented with ESRAM. As I said before, that 1MB/s simply doesn't move the needle compared to what the local console can do on its own.  And we haven't even Touched latency yet.

The idea of "the cloud" meaningfully enhancing your local machine's capailities is a fallacy, though (as I stated before) there are meaningful ways servers can enhance multiplayer games.  Of course, most people have known about the benefits dedicated servers can provide for some time now.  Here's a DF article on the subject if you want to look into the numbers further...

...oh and PNF, don't let your panties get so twisted next time, just PM me and I'll get back to you.  Or, you know, Google.  :|

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

ill do that and then play Killer Instinct and Titanfall and toggle between them without swapping your discs lol

Mr720fan

"stupid shit stupid shit, blah blah,  swapping your scratched discs

Still don't know about blu-ray discs, heh?

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

How much is max download speed right now?

santoron

i guess he doesnt have the answers? To make a statement like he said I thought he would know the answer, guess not, latency is the only thing you really have to worry about when it comes to the cloud, they can dedicate a stream of speed im assuming for cloud computing. I would think a mb would be suffice, but who the hell knows, you can have compression all types of stuff, i dont think MSFT is putting money into a made up lie.

Nah, I just move around from conversation to conversation, forum to forum, and even offline (:shock: ). If I knew you had your panties in such a bunch I might've hurried back, but prolly not.

The average internet connection in the developed world hovers around 8mps (some less like the US, some more), which translates to 1MB/s. The XBone's memory in comparison can chug through about 68,000MB/s, and even that was deemed too slow to keep up with the CPU and GPU needs and has been augmented with ESRAM. As I said before, that 1MB/s simply doesn't move the needle compared to what the local console can do on its own. And we haven't even Touched latency yet.

The idea of "the cloud" meaningfully enhancing your local machine's capailities is a fallacy, though (as I stated before) there are meaningful ways servers can enhance multiplayer games. Of course, most people have known about the benefits dedicated servers can provide for some time now. Here's a DF article on the subject if you want to look into the numbers further...

...oh and PNF, don't let your panties get so twisted next time, just PM me and I'll get back to you. Or, you know, Google. :|

yes i can PM you... and still would like to see it in action before i make definitive statements. will read article.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Why cant Turn10 use the cloud processing for night/weather effects and Auction house? I have emails out to both Turn10 and MS, seems like a no brainer to use all this cloud power on things people want. Haven't heard back from either yet though. xhawk27

Who races when it's raining. Also night racing is only for le mans, no Indy cars race at night. 

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

you cant play two games and change between them like you can on the x1. You can pause one and go to the other, pause and go back and forth, for you, thats not happening and probably would do it just by swapping your scratched discs

Mr720fan

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

percech

and 30fps

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] and you'll do that a lot, right? I see a lot of people playing 2 games at once. Looking at your gamercard I'm saying you never will.lol Heil68

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

Mr720fan

and 30fps

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

no but i like the option, think its pretty cool i can go seemless into my tv and even snap a internet explorer all on the fly when i get bored and wanna pause the game, can you do that stuff with the PS4?

percech

how can you not love that guy tho, he is cool he will probably get an x1 so he can play all my games.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="percech"] All that ram and still no gameplay in Killzone.percech

and 30fps

halo 5 1080p 60fps confirmeddddddddddd

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

and 30fps

Mr720fan

halo 5 1080p 60fps confirmeddddddddddd

lol percech threadheeweesRus

Why cant Turn10 use the cloud processing for night/weather effects and Auction house? I have emails out to both Turn10 and MS, seems like a no brainer to use all this cloud power on things people want. Haven't heard back from either yet though. Heil68

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

if i lose my tv remote, i just talk to my x1, can you do that on the ps4?

Mr720fan

lol

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

NathanDrakeSwag

Ok this made me laugh :lol:

Phil Spencer basically told the 'Braid' guy to go f**k himself.

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] yes I could, but it would be boring when it wont talk back.robybaggio

lol

ill be talking to my kinect, it has amazing audio hardware built in supposedly. I hope it does siri

All those clouds and still no rain in Flopza :(

NathanDrakeSwag