1-The N64 had 4 controller ports,the Dreamcast had 4 controller ports,before the xbox even existed so how can sony copy from MS something Nintendo and sega did before MS.?
2-The PS3 had 4 USB port but that doesn't mean it support 4 controllers,in fact it supported 7 controllers which is the maximum for bluetooth on PS3.
3-Lan and HDD were sony idea before the xbox was even announce and in fact the PS2 got a network adapter and HDD before the xbox was even launch.
The machine is also equipped with one Type III PC card slot. In 2001, Sony will ship a PC Card Ethernet adapter so that the PS2 can connect directly to the Internet via a cable modem, Sony's Kutaragi said. At the same time, the vendor will sell a high-capacity hard drive for the PS2, he added.
4-The PS 3 could stream games to the PSP before the wii U was release,again who copy who.? Remote play work between PS3 and PSP since 2006..lol So yeah it was Nintendo who got it latter not sony.
The Wii U didn't land on 2011 it was release on holiday 2012 dude,so that picture is so wrong is not even funny...hahahaa
5-PSN was born on 2006,but online play on PS predates xbox live,in fact online play on PS2 was done on 2001 in Japan,and games like THPS came out already with online support before the xbox was even out.Not to mention Socom which was online on dedicated servers (unlike live P2P) with voice chat again before live was even launch.
The only thing in that list that i can say cony did copy was Party chat,move and achievements the rest are not even close.
Now lets talk about what MS did copy.
1-Sony controller..No other controller had 2 analogues before the dual shock,the fun thing is that the first xbox controller took the analogue placement from the Dreamcast and added a second one like the DS,the first controller had a white and black buttons which latter transform into what we know on 360 as the LB and RB which are nothing but the R1 and L1 renamed and placed just like the dual shock.Clickable thumb stick,what is use widely in FPS to run or stab is an invention of sony so every time you stab or run using the R3 or L3 comparable function on xbox remember it was sony's idea.
2-HDD I already link you to it.
3-DVD whoops....Yeah which was the first console to play dvd movies.?
4-Blue-ray
5-PSN+ what you also know now on xbox as games with gold.
6-The Eye Toy one of the biggest rip off ever Kinect.
7-PC vs consoles gameplay done by PS3 last gen done by PS4 since day 1 this gen,and now done on XBO with windows 10 alto few games support it.
8-I see they even put Mario kart and the one sony did to say sony copy it,oh well that mean MS copy Gran Turismo right.?
Rekt Deny..lol
@nyadc said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@Legend002:
How would be doing that?
This is how.
The Future of Xbox Game Development for Windows,
This is ^^ how by moving xbox games to PC and not making another console next gen just like my thread claimed,xbox games moving to PC is the worst thing that can happen to the xbox and i think in a few years you people will see why.
@xxyetixx said:
Eh it's only a matter of time until MS makes the games on the windows store "controller only" to play online and Xbox One and PC have fair and balanced cross play in all games on Xbox One and Microsoft Store games.
Then of course PC people would bitch and whine. While MS tries to make an all around gaming network and give people the option to game on console or PC, yet play and speak with everyone on either platform.
That is sad i never truly believe the whole disparity between controller and keyboard and mouse,i have several PC games i play with my controller and i end up close to the top players and some times i am the top one,controllers have improved a ton and controls are more tied than ever,that whole crap was true on the N64,DC and PS2 gen were FPS had funny controls even on xbox many did because there was no standardization.,
1-The N64 had 4 controller ports,the Dreamcast had 4 controller ports,before the xbox even existed so how can sony copy from MS something Nintendo and sega did before MS.?
Why didn't the PS2 have it then? Oh yeah because they never considered it until after the Xbox implemented it and made you buy a f'king multi tap
The PS3 had 4 USB port but that doesn't mean it support 4 controllers,in fact it supported 7 controllers which is the maximum for bluetooth on PS3.
It still supported 4+ controllers
3-Lan and HDD were sony idea before the xbox was even announce and in fact the PS2 got a network adapter and HDD before the xbox was even launch.
All peripherals that you had to BUY SEPERATELY, Sony didn't make these mandatory until the PS3. The Slim PS2 had a build in ethernet adapter years later but no room for the HDD
The Wii U didn't land on 2011 it was release on holiday 2012 dude,so that picture is so wrong is not even funny...hahahaa
Was shown in 2011
but online play on PS predates xbox live,in fact online play on PS2 was done on 2001 in Japan,
Online play even predates the PS2 when it was on the Dreamcast, doesn't change the fact that PSN was and still is a piss poor response to XBL
3-DVD whoops....Yeah which was the first console to play dvd movies.?
Not exactly something to write home about. DVD's were going to become a standard weather or not Sony included one built into the PS2
Sony controller
Home button, suck it
PSN+ what you also know now on xbox as games with gold.
Probably the only legitimate feature that Sony came up with first.
6-The Eye Toy one of the biggest rip off ever Kinect.
Lol the Kinect was made to cash in on the Wii audience, no one gave 2 fks about the eye toy which flopped so bad that Sony abandoned it and tried to push the Playstation move instead.
7-PC vs consoles gameplay done by PS3 last gen done by PS4 since day 1 this gen,and now done on XBO with windows 10 alto few games support it.
IIRC Sony themselves had no cross platform games and only offered cross platform buy on certain games with the VITA like Sly Cooper. They never offered huge AAA games for cross platform buy and it was always third party games like Final Fantasy and Planet Side that had cross platform play.
8-I see they even put Mario kart and the one sony did to say sony copy it,oh well that mean MS copy Gran Turismo right.?
Gran Turismo isn't the progenitor of racing sims, Mario Kart on the other hand was the first mascot driven kart racer. Crash Bandicoot, Sonic and LBP all tried to copy it and the only mildly successful one was Sega All Star Racing. So yeah, LBP did try to copy Mario Kart and failed rightfully so.
Things that MS took from Sony
GWG/Dual Shock
Things that Sony took from MS
Party Chat/Trophies/Home Button/Mandatory HDD and 4+ player support/Unified online service/Paid online service/
"F*ck giving xbox one exclusives and loosing money on every project we create for xbox one owners.
We are going to get as much money as possible releasing everything we make for "xbox" on the larger PC market from now on and slowly distance ourselves from consoles in general and xbox one."
@GarGx1: I don't have to catch on. I can believe this talk and know it doesn't affect anything if I do or not.
If it happens it happens. If it doesn't...ok we can all jump their case.
But being a downer on things doesn't help.
In what way is knowing that marketing will tell you anything to sell you a product is being on a downer? If you believe every statement from the PR and marketing departments of any company, you must get conned an awful lot.
Being on a downer and not being gullible enough to believe marketing is not the same thing.
You go ahead and believe all you want, that's your choice.
This is ^^ how by moving xbox games to PC and not making another console next gen just like my thread claimed,xbox games moving to PC is the worst thing that can happen to the xbox and i think in a few years you people will see why.
@casharmy said:
Translation:
"F*ck giving xbox one exclusives and loosing money on every project we create for xbox one owners.
We are going to get as much money as possible releasing everything we make for "xbox" on the larger PC market from now on and slowly distance ourselves from consoles in general and xbox one."
I don't understand how you people can see it that way instead of the way it actually is, they cater to both markets and reap the overall benefit, yes they may end up selling less hardware, but they'll still sell tens, and tens of millions of units for the non-PC gamers which is more than satisfactory.
People have some delusional preconceived notion that if a console doesn't sell X amount of units in Y amount of time that it's somehow a failure. There's also this equally delusional notion that if a game is on PC then every console gamer must also be a gaming PC owner and will buy it there instead, that's not even remotely accurate... Why is it then that multi-platform games which are on both PC and consoles in general sell better on consoles even though the PC versions are drastically superior? The answer is obvious, they're two clearly defined and different demographics of people and consumers with some minor crossover.
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, the console/PCgamer is largely a minority.
If they go this route, sell 40-50 million Xbox One's lifetime, promote cross-play and support the PC just as heavily, they completely mitigate that perceived sales gap with the competition and will actually come out financially on top in the end. They're not abandoning Xbox hardware, that's stupid to even consider, there's dozens of millions of Xbox hardware consumers to be had that will not be affected in any degree by games being on a shared platform, they're not suddenly going to become PC gamers because games shift to the PC as well... Microsoft is also not going to abandon their console market as if they do, again, they're not going to become PC gamers, they would shift to PlayStation or Nintendo and all those people would be lost customers.
You guys are playing up the dramatics and doomsday scenarios because your fanboyism and idiocy calls on you to do so, it's pathetic, and I think you should honestly be quiet. You're not coming off even remotely intelligent or having any kind of grasp on how businesses function, they found a way to make more money, are going to develop it and they're going to capitalize on it, it's really as simple as that.
This is ^^ how by moving xbox games to PC and not making another console next gen just like my thread claimed,xbox games moving to PC is the worst thing that can happen to the xbox and i think in a few years you people will see why.
@casharmy said:
Translation:
"F*ck giving xbox one exclusives and loosing money on every project we create for xbox one owners.
We are going to get as much money as possible releasing everything we make for "xbox" on the larger PC market from now on and slowly distance ourselves from consoles in general and xbox one."
I don't understand how you people can see it that way instead of the way it actually is, they cater to both markets and reap the overall benefit, yes they may end up selling less hardware, but they'll still sell tens, and tens of millions of units for the non-PC gamers which is more than satisfactory.
People have some delusional preconceived notion that if a console doesn't sell X amount of units in Y amount of time that it's somehow a failure. There's also this equally delusional notion that if a game is on PC then every console gamer must also be a gaming PC owner and will buy it there instead, that's not even remotely accurate... Why is it then that multi-platform games which are on both PC and consoles in general sell better on consoles even though the PC versions are drastically superior? The answer is obvious, they're two clearly defined and different demographics of people and consumers with some minor crossover.
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, the console/PCgamer is largely a minority.
If they go this route, sell 40-50 million Xbox One's lifetime, promote cross-play and support the PC just as heavily, they completely mitigate that perceived sales gap with the competition and will actually come out financially on top in the end. They're not abandoning Xbox hardware, that's stupid to even consider, there's dozens of millions of Xbox hardware consumers to be had that will not be affected in any degree by games being on a shared platform, they're not suddenly going to become PC gamers because games shift to the PC as well... Microsoft is also not going to abandon their console market as if they do, again, they're not going to become PC gamers, they would shift to PlayStation or Nintendo and all those people would be lost customers.
You guys are playing up the dramatics and doomsday scenarios because your fanboyism and idiocy calls on you to do so, it's pathetic, and I think you should honestly be quiet. You're not coming off even remotely intelligent or having any kind of grasp on how businesses function, they found a way to make more money, are going to develop it and they're going to capitalize on it, it's really as simple as that.
Only small minded fanboys thinks that MS making their games availble on the PC is them getting rid of the Xbox, at least they just hoping for that so they can say they won the console war and win their prize of air cookies and warm milk from their fridge. MS is clearly expanding the Xbox name beyond just the Xbox. People who arent PC gamers like myself and millions of others don't care if I game is going to be on the Xbox and PC or PS4 and PC cause PC isn't in the equation for us although I might be jealous of some of the PC only games like XCom and Unreal. For me Quantum is an exclusive to my Xbox cause I can only get it on the Xbox just like Street Fighter is only on the PS4. MS isn't going to abandon the 20 million or so people that bought the XBox to shift to just making PS games, that's bad business and dumb business and only fanboys thinks that makes any sense in their brain. Plus, if MS makes these games or most of these games only available on the MS store then guess what, if you Sony fanboys buy the game on the PC through the MS store you still putting money in their pockets lol. I think it's a great thing, a great idea to open that side of gaming to expand beyond just the Xbox, with TR selling well now because of it being on the PC I"m sure we'll see more of that great game. By the time it's released on the PS4 who know's how many millions of copies the game has sold whether you fanboys want to buy it or not, you only doing a disservice to yourself's cause of some blind he did me wrong idea by missing a great game but that's the main problem with all you fanboys, you take what any of these corporations as a personal shot at you, whether it's good or bad when in the end, it's what best for business. They can care less about Tomato head and NathanfakeSwag, especially since Nathanfakeswag doesn't even have a PSN account LOL. He's useless to them but yet he'll come on and troll on here day and night LOL. It's all about what makes the money and for MS and other game companies that's making games for them and the PC, it pretty much gives them a chance to double their revenue which in turn means they can make more games whether it's just for the Xbox or for the Xbox/PC. It's a win/win situation, learn business 101.
This is ^^ how by moving xbox games to PC and not making another console next gen just like my thread claimed,xbox games moving to PC is the worst thing that can happen to the xbox and i think in a few years you people will see why.
@casharmy said:
Translation:
"F*ck giving xbox one exclusives and loosing money on every project we create for xbox one owners.
We are going to get as much money as possible releasing everything we make for "xbox" on the larger PC market from now on and slowly distance ourselves from consoles in general and xbox one."
I don't understand how you people can see it that way instead of the way it actually is, they cater to both markets and reap the overall benefit, yes they may end up selling less hardware, but they'll still sell tens, and tens of millions of units for the non-PC gamers which is more than satisfactory.
People have some delusional preconceived notion that if a console doesn't sell X amount of units in Y amount of time that it's somehow a failure. There's also this equally delusional notion that if a game is on PC then every console gamer must also be a gaming PC owner and will buy it there instead, that's not even remotely accurate... Why is it then that multi-platform games which are on both PC and consoles in general sell better on consoles even though the PC versions are drastically superior? The answer is obvious, they're two clearly defined and different demographics of people and consumers with some minor crossover.
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, the console/PCgamer is largely a minority.
If they go this route, sell 40-50 million Xbox One's lifetime, promote cross-play and support the PC just as heavily, they completely mitigate that perceived sales gap with the competition and will actually come out financially on top in the end. They're not abandoning Xbox hardware, that's stupid to even consider, there's dozens of millions of Xbox hardware consumers to be had that will not be affected in any degree by games being on a shared platform, they're not suddenly going to become PC gamers because games shift to the PC as well... Microsoft is also not going to abandon their console market as if they do, again, they're not going to become PC gamers, they would shift to PlayStation or Nintendo and all those people would be lost customers.
You guys are playing up the dramatics and doomsday scenarios because your fanboyism and idiocy calls on you to do so, it's pathetic, and I think you should honestly be quiet. You're not coming off even remotely intelligent or having any kind of grasp on how businesses function, they found a way to make more money, are going to develop it and they're going to capitalize on it, it's really as simple as that.
Only small minded fanboys thinks that MS making their games availble on the PC is them getting rid of the Xbox, at least they just hoping for that so they can say they won the console war and win their prize of air cookies and warm milk from their fridge. MS is clearly expanding the Xbox name beyond just the Xbox. People who arent PC gamers like myself and millions of others don't care if I game is going to be on the Xbox and PC or PS4 and PC cause PC isn't in the equation for us although I might be jealous of some of the PC only games like XCom and Unreal. For me Quantum is an exclusive to my Xbox cause I can only get it on the Xbox just like Street Fighter is only on the PS4. MS isn't going to abandon the 20 million or so people that bought the XBox to shift to just making PS games, that's bad business and dumb business and only fanboys thinks that makes any sense in their brain. Plus, if MS makes these games or most of these games only available on the MS store then guess what, if you Sony fanboys buy the game on the PC through the MS store you still putting money in their pockets lol. I think it's a great thing, a great idea to open that side of gaming to expand beyond just the Xbox, with TR selling well now because of it being on the PC I"m sure we'll see more of that great game. By the time it's released on the PS4 who know's how many millions of copies the game has sold whether you fanboys want to buy it or not, you only doing a disservice to yourself's cause of some blind he did me wrong idea by missing a great game but that's the main problem with all you fanboys, you take what any of these corporations as a personal shot at you, whether it's good or bad when in the end, it's what best for business. They can care less about Tomato head and NathanfakeSwag, especially since Nathanfakeswag doesn't even have a PSN account LOL. He's useless to them but yet he'll come on and troll on here day and night LOL. It's all about what makes the money and for MS and other game companies that's making games for them and the PC, it pretty much gives them a chance to double their revenue which in turn means they can make more games whether it's just for the Xbox or for the Xbox/PC. It's a win/win situation, learn business 101.
The wall or tears is glorious.
You have to try very hard using mental gymnastics to try to rationalize what MS is doing with xbox one games ALL going to PC and NOT come to the conclusion I originally posted.
Will MS accept sales that end up coming from xbox one? Sure! Are they actually pushing xbox one as an individual platform from this point forward? Quantum Break being announced to come on PC...DAY 1? You go ahead and think that if you want lol.
You have to try very hard using mental gymnastics to try to rationalize what MS is doing with xbox one games ALL going to PC and NOT come to the conclusion I originally posted.
Will MS accept sales that end up coming from xbox one? Sure! Are they actually pushing xbox one as an individual platform from this point forward? Quantum Break being announced to come on PC...DAY 1? You go ahead and think that if you want lol.
There's no mental gymnastics, you're just a very ignorant person who places his idiotic fanboyism above rational logic and finds issue where there is none. The direction they are going is a smart one, it caters to more people and as a result will be more financially viable, there's not one downside to this no matter how much you try to allude to there being one.
LOL no "wall of tears" by me cause I get to play the games regardless which is all I care about, how about you? Only people that come on here bickering and crying about anything are fanboys.
I wouldn't be surprised at a shared ecosystem between Xbox and PC -- where you can play Xbox games on PC and vice-versa. Would be excellent to play Halo on PC.
Window mode will be fixed. SLI is using DX12, which has already happened because DX12. Mod and all the virus happy cheat happy add-ons, the Store is designed to stop that. You can get your mod if developer set up a mod portal, then, it is fine.
"F*ck giving xbox one exclusives and loosing money on every project we create for xbox one owners.
We are going to get as much money as possible releasing everything we make for "xbox" on the larger PC market from now on and slowly distance ourselves from consoles in general and xbox one."
They are not going to distance themselves for the Xbox One they are unifying the platforms because both systems are running on the same OS. It makes financial and long term sense. It is the future of gaming. MS just happened to drag their feet for many years. Its a shame it took them so long. Sony and Nintendo will be taking the same strategy in the future.
I don't understand how you people can see it that way instead of the way it actually is, they cater to both markets and reap the overall benefit, yes they may end up selling less hardware, but they'll still sell tens, and tens of millions of units for the non-PC gamers which is more than satisfactory.
People have some delusional preconceived notion that if a console doesn't sell X amount of units in Y amount of time that it's somehow a failure. There's also this equally delusional notion that if a game is on PC then every console gamer must also be a gaming PC owner and will buy it there instead, that's not even remotely accurate... Why is it then that multi-platform games which are on both PC and consoles in general sell better on consoles even though the PC versions are drastically superior? The answer is obvious, they're two clearly defined and different demographics of people and consumers with some minor crossover.
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, the console/PCgamer is largely a minority.
If they go this route, sell 40-50 million Xbox One's lifetime, promote cross-play and support the PC just as heavily, they completely mitigate that perceived sales gap with the competition and will actually come out financially on top in the end. They're not abandoning Xbox hardware, that's stupid to even consider, there's dozens of millions of Xbox hardware consumers to be had that will not be affected in any degree by games being on a shared platform, they're not suddenly going to become PC gamers because games shift to the PC as well... Microsoft is also not going to abandon their console market as if they do, again, they're not going to become PC gamers, they would shift to PlayStation or Nintendo and all those people would be lost customers.
You guys are playing up the dramatics and doomsday scenarios because your fanboyism and idiocy calls on you to do so, it's pathetic, and I think you should honestly be quiet. You're not coming off even remotely intelligent or having any kind of grasp on how businesses function, they found a way to make more money, are going to develop it and they're going to capitalize on it, it's really as simple as that.
It is you who don't see it how it is,for what in hell any one would want an xbox one if they can get all its games on PC.?
Most hardware all it gives is loses the earnings are low unless you don't drop the price for a long time which MS could not do this generation,i know there are console gamers and PC gamers but the reality is getting gaming PC is easier than ever has been.
That is what you think i don't think it works that way,and yes having a big userbase has its advantages ask MS they know it well.
Yeah MS is doing something it didn't do on its first 2 generations,and is basically giving its games to PC,after generations of claiming how the xbox library was the reason to get an xbox,i don't feel this way just about the xbox if sony showed up with all its games on steam i would say the same why in hell would i want a weak PS4 if i can play all its games on PC, PC getting xbox one exclusives is a joke specially to those who pay $500 for the damn thing 2 years ago.
Yeah we are not intelligent only you are oh great master who downplayed the 19 million number given by EA yet you your self claim 20 million sold without nothing to back you up but your opinion,all i know is that if PC keep getting xbox one games and they sell good, say good bye to the xbox on PC MS doesn't have to worry about hardware, or loses from hardware and has a big userbase from the get go.
@yueersse said:
@tormentos:
Why didn't the PS2 have it then? Oh yeah because they never considered it until after the Xbox implemented it and made you buy a f'king multi tap
It still supported 4+ controllers
All peripherals that you had to BUY SEPERATELY, Sony didn't make these mandatory until the PS3. The Slim PS2 had a build in ethernet adapter years later but no room for the HDD
Was shown in 2011
Online play even predates the PS2 when it was on the Dreamcast, doesn't change the fact that PSN was and still is a piss poor response to XBL
Not exactly something to write home about. DVD's were going to become a standard weather or not Sony included one built into the PS2
Sony controller
Home button, suck it
PSN+ what you also know now on xbox as games with gold.
Probably the only legitimate feature that Sony came up with first.
6-The Eye Toy one of the biggest rip off ever Kinect.
Lol the Kinect was made to cash in on the Wii audience, no one gave 2 fks about the eye toy which flopped so bad that Sony abandoned it and tried to push the Playstation move instead.
7-PC vs consoles gameplay done by PS3 last gen done by PS4 since day 1 this gen,and now done on XBO with windows 10 alto few games support it.
IIRC Sony themselves had no cross platform games and only offered cross platform buy on certain games with the VITA like Sly Cooper. They never offered huge AAA games for cross platform buy and it was always third party games like Final Fantasy and Planet Side that had cross platform play.
8-I see they even put Mario kart and the one sony did to say sony copy it,oh well that mean MS copy Gran Turismo right.?
Gran Turismo isn't the progenitor of racing sims, Mario Kart on the other hand was the first mascot driven kart racer. Crash Bandicoot, Sonic and LBP all tried to copy it and the only mildly successful one was Sega All Star Racing. So yeah, LBP did try to copy Mario Kart and failed rightfully so.
Things that MS took from Sony
GWG/Dual Shock
Things that Sony took from MS
Party Chat/Trophies/Home Button/Mandatory HDD and 4+ player support/Unified online service/Paid online service/
Anyway you spin it, you lose
1. No because they sold a multipad adapter no PS console has 4 controller ports,kind like the PS3 and wii had wifi and MS charge you $100 for an adapter.
2. No 4 ,but 7 which is almost double and still it has nothing to do with MS which didn't invent having 4 controller ports on a console which is the point.
3.Irrelevant since the point is WHO copy who no who make you buy what,sony had the idea of the HDD before MS the same about the network adapter hell the PS2 has a hole in the back just for it on launch models and all models until the slim,so yeah just another idea MS copy,oh by the way if you buy a core 360 you could buy an over price HDD from microsoft which was also external.
4-Came out in 2012 and still the PS3 did it with the PS3 before the wii u was even launch so you are grasping at straws desperately.
5.Yes but since the point is who copy who again PS network early years still count period Sony did it before MS and with voice chat to.
6.Oh really that is funny the DC started the generation and had no DVD,the GC used mini dvd the only one using full DVD was sony and MS who copy sony and made you pay extra to be able to play movies.lol
7.Home button.?
You mean like the HOME button in this Playstation device which is actually even call HOME and that came on all PSP devices since launch 2004, 1 full year before the xbox 360 arrived and many months before the xbox 360 was even unveil.? Man you really don't know much about gaming do you.
8-The eye toy wasn't abandon in favor of Move,the eye toy came on PS2,the PS eye is the one on PS3 and work with move it wasn't drop for it,hell the PS eye is what make it more accurate than the wii controller.
9.Hahahaahaa again the point is who copy who so the whole cross play with PC was done first by sony,so were mods which MS still haven't done but promise at the start of this generation that they would do it.
10. Yes Grand Turismo is the progenitors of sims what other racer allow you to run pretty much a normal car and tune it to race before GT to the degree GT did.? Forza is a GT rip off and every one knows it.
I already number all the things MS took regardless of you admitting it or not doesn't change the fact...lol
I don't understand how you people can see it that way instead of the way it actually is, they cater to both markets and reap the overall benefit, yes they may end up selling less hardware, but they'll still sell tens, and tens of millions of units for the non-PC gamers which is more than satisfactory.
People have some delusional preconceived notion that if a console doesn't sell X amount of units in Y amount of time that it's somehow a failure. There's also this equally delusional notion that if a game is on PC then every console gamer must also be a gaming PC owner and will buy it there instead, that's not even remotely accurate... Why is it then that multi-platform games which are on both PC and consoles in general sell better on consoles even though the PC versions are drastically superior? The answer is obvious, they're two clearly defined and different demographics of people and consumers with some minor crossover.
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, the console/PCgamer is largely a minority.
If they go this route, sell 40-50 million Xbox One's lifetime, promote cross-play and support the PC just as heavily, they completely mitigate that perceived sales gap with the competition and will actually come out financially on top in the end. They're not abandoning Xbox hardware, that's stupid to even consider, there's dozens of millions of Xbox hardware consumers to be had that will not be affected in any degree by games being on a shared platform, they're not suddenly going to become PC gamers because games shift to the PC as well... Microsoft is also not going to abandon their console market as if they do, again, they're not going to become PC gamers, they would shift to PlayStation or Nintendo and all those people would be lost customers.
You guys are playing up the dramatics and doomsday scenarios because your fanboyism and idiocy calls on you to do so, it's pathetic, and I think you should honestly be quiet. You're not coming off even remotely intelligent or having any kind of grasp on how businesses function, they found a way to make more money, are going to develop it and they're going to capitalize on it, it's really as simple as that.
It is you who don't see it how it is,for what in hell any one would want an xbox one if they can get all its games on PC.?
Most hardware all it gives is loses the earnings are low unless you don't drop the price for a long time which MS could not do this generation,i know there are console gamers and PC gamers but the reality is getting gaming PC is easier than ever has been.
That is what you think i don't think it works that way,and yes having a big userbase has its advantages ask MS they know it well.
Yeah MS is doing something it didn't do on its first 2 generations,and is basically giving its games to PC,after generations of claiming how the xbox library was the reason to get an xbox,i don't feel this way just about the xbox if sony showed up with all its games on steam i would say the same why in hell would i want a weak PS4 if i can play all its games on PC, PC getting xbox one exclusives is a joke specially to those who pay $500 for the damn thing 2 years ago.
Yeah we are not intelligent only you are oh great master who downplayed the 19 million number given by EA yet you your self claim 20 million sold without nothing to back you up but your opinion,all i know is that if PC keep getting xbox one games and they sell good, say good bye to the xbox on PC MS doesn't have to worry about hardware, or loses from hardware and has a big userbase from the get go.
You contradicted yourself in your first two sentences...
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, PC being more entry level friendly is never going to change this and tens to hundreds of millions of people are still going to buy consoles regardless of games being shared with PC or not. Literally every game could be shared with the PC and the falloff for the core console market would probably be less than 20% from the whole industry. PC gaming has a massive footprint, but I think you greatly over-estimate the PC to console crossover, greatly, sales for multi-platform games prove your assertions to be incorrect. Ubisoft's data pegs the PC as roughly 16% of their entire market share for all of their games, 16%...
That means consoles make up the other 84% of their revenue, by your logic the PC should be the overwhelming bulk of their revenue, but it's not, because most people are casual consumers, people who want to spend very little money to get a decent enough experience which is extremely simple and something only a console can provide, simply put, they don't give a shit beyond that.
Xbox is going fucking no where, and you're a complete moron if you actually think that it is... There's a huge market for Microsoft to tap into there, and if they don't, Sony and Nintendo tap that market in their stead... That's billions of dollars in consumer revenue they would be forfeiting, these people aren't going to jump to PC, are you insane? Why would you ever even think that?
Hell, if that was the case, with the way you looney toons project the Xbox One, shouldn't have basically everyone already abandoned it for PC? You know, because that's the message you cows already put out, that there's basically no reason to own an Xbox One because of the existing PC crossover... Hmm, I wonder why that's not happening...
You're not smart people... Know your fucking place.
Is you consider telling lies as obliteration then yes.
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
Only small minded fanboys thinks that MS making their games availble on the PC is them getting rid of the Xbox, at least they just hoping for that so they can say they won the console war and win their prize of air cookies and warm milk from their fridge. MS is clearly expanding the Xbox name beyond just the Xbox. People who arent PC gamers like myself and millions of others don't care if I game is going to be on the Xbox and PC or PS4 and PC cause PC isn't in the equation for us although I might be jealous of some of the PC only games like XCom and Unreal. For me Quantum is an exclusive to my Xbox cause I can only get it on the Xbox just like Street Fighter is only on the PS4.
This from some one who claim PC is a console when it serve him best..hahahahaaa
@nyadc said:
There's no mental gymnastics, you're just a very ignorant person who places his idiotic fanboyism above rational logic and finds issue where there is none. The direction they are going is a smart one, it caters to more people and as a result will be more financially viable, there's not one downside to this no matter how much you try to allude to there being one.
Smart one how.? Tell me why if this is SO smart of MS how come no one from MS saw since 2001 and decided that 15 years latter it was the moment to start.? This like having IE on xbox 360 was something that MS held on doing because since day 1 they wanted to avoid people mixing the xbox brand with PC.
I tell you this they are doing this for 2 things.
1.xbox one game sales suck,badly to the point of Halo 5 not doing half of what Halo 3 did in the same time frame even that halo 3 was release on a little smaller userbase than the XBO.
2.Because probably they will face the xbox brand or turn it into another windows device like Surface,probably the next xbox if there is one will be a PC like console with an open windows probably.
@Stevo_the_gamer said:
I wouldn't be surprised at a shared ecosystem between Xbox and PC -- where you can play Xbox games on PC and vice-versa. Would be excellent to play Halo on PC.
That is what i say in my thread to if the xbox come back next gen as a brand it would probably be a windows like PC but on a console case kind of like steam systems.
I wouldn't know if it were lies. I don't invest myself in damage controlling for console manufacturers.
But since you seem to thrive off of fighting for your glorious Sony..... and getting some sort of temporary satisfaction, that will probably only last for a few hours, before getting back on here for the next round.....You should be quite savvy when it comes to all things Sony vs Microsoft. So fine maybe I should have done more research before just believing a well structured post showing that Sony copied from Microsoft.
You contradicted yourself in your first two sentences...
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, PC being more entry level friendly is never going to change this and tens to hundreds of millions of people are still going to buy consoles regardless of games being shared with PC or not. Literally every game could be shared with the PC and the falloff for the core console market would probably be less than 20% from the whole industry. PC gaming has a massive footprint, but I think you greatly over-estimate the PC to console crossover, greatly, sales for multi-platform games prove your assertions to be incorrect. Ubisoft's data pegs the PC as roughly 16% of their entire market share for all of their games, 16%...
That means consoles make up the other 84% of their revenue, by your logic the PC should be the overwhelming bulk of their revenue, but it's not, because most people are casual consumers, people who want to spend very little money to get a decent enough experience which is extremely simple and something only a console can provide, simply put, they don't give a shit beyond that.
Xbox is going fucking no where, and you're a complete moron if you actually think that it is... There's a huge market for Microsoft to tap into there, and if they don't, Sony and Nintendo tap that market in their stead... That's billions of dollars in consumer revenue they would be forfeiting, these people aren't going to jump to PC, are you insane? Why would you ever even think that?
Hell, if that was the case, with the way you looney toons project the Xbox One, shouldn't have basically everyone already abandoned it for PC? You know, because that's the message you cows already put out, that there's basically no reason to own an Xbox One because of the existing PC crossover... Hmm, I wonder why that's not happening...
You're not smart people... Know your fucking place.
No i didn't.
I know there are PC gamers and consoles gamers,problem is console games have always being use to have EXCLUSIVES games that make their purchase decision worth for them,this has always being the case,why in hell will any one chose an xbox one which has limited games,over a PC when it has the same xbox one exclusives,+ a truck load of exclusive the xbox one doesn't get.
And while some people may still buy justifying it will be hard,specially when on PS4 you have tons of exclusive that justify a purchase more,if xbox one sales drop even more that is a problem for 3rd parties which will allow sony to capitalize even more and get more time exclusive content.
PC does allot of cash even that most games are cheaper after the first month.
Well i can see the bran mutating into a console with an Open OS it would actually serve MS better that way,and they can even sell difference sku with different levels of power to,you people don't see the big picture here xbox exclusives going the PC way is not a good sign at all and could probably mean a re branding of the xbox or in the worst case MS dropping it and moving to just PC.
Oh is to early and not all xbox one games are on PC,the movement is just starting stay tune.
You contradicted yourself in your first two sentences...
There are console gamers and there are PC gamers, PC being more entry level friendly is never going to change this and tens to hundreds of millions of people are still going to buy consoles regardless of games being shared with PC or not. Literally every game could be shared with the PC and the falloff for the core console market would probably be less than 20% from the whole industry. PC gaming has a massive footprint, but I think you greatly over-estimate the PC to console crossover, greatly, sales for multi-platform games prove your assertions to be incorrect. Ubisoft's data pegs the PC as roughly 16% of their entire market share for all of their games, 16%...
That means consoles make up the other 84% of their revenue, by your logic the PC should be the overwhelming bulk of their revenue, but it's not, because most people are casual consumers, people who want to spend very little money to get a decent enough experience which is extremely simple and something only a console can provide, simply put, they don't give a shit beyond that.
Xbox is going fucking no where, and you're a complete moron if you actually think that it is... There's a huge market for Microsoft to tap into there, and if they don't, Sony and Nintendo tap that market in their stead... That's billions of dollars in consumer revenue they would be forfeiting, these people aren't going to jump to PC, are you insane? Why would you ever even think that?
Hell, if that was the case, with the way you looney toons project the Xbox One, shouldn't have basically everyone already abandoned it for PC? You know, because that's the message you cows already put out, that there's basically no reason to own an Xbox One because of the existing PC crossover... Hmm, I wonder why that's not happening...
You're not smart people... Know your fucking place.
No i didn't.
I know there are PC gamers and consoles gamers,problem is console games have always being use to have EXCLUSIVES games that make their purchase decision worth for them,this has always being the case,why in hell will any one chose an xbox one which has limited games,over a PC when it has the same xbox one exclusives,+ a truck load of exclusive the xbox one doesn't get.
And while some people may still buy justifying it will be hard,specially when on PS4 you have tons of exclusive that justify a purchase more,if xbox one sales drop even more that is a problem for 3rd parties which will allow sony to capitalize even more and get more time exclusive content.
PC does allot of cash even that most games are cheaper after the first month.
Well i can see the bran mutating into a console with an Open OS it would actually serve MS better that way,and they can even sell difference sku with different levels of power to,you people don't see the big picture here xbox exclusives going the PC way is not a good sign at all and could probably mean a re branding of the xbox or in the worst case MS dropping it and moving to just PC.
Oh is to early and not all xbox one games are on PC,the movement is just starting stay tune.
simple. I have an uncle that doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. He is a casual consumer. He likes racing games. He couldn't care less about the fact that Xbox One has Halo 5 or that the PS4 has Bloodborne. He wants a racing game. He wants to come home after work switch on his console and play his racing game. What the hell do you think he got ?
Whether you can find the game on PC or not regardless of the accessibility a console or PC provides....people still get consoles and it's not entirely based on how many exclusives/ variety of exclusives a console provides. I just gave you an example where a person bought a console because it had a good racing games and possibly was going to give more racing games in the future. That's one example though.
@tormentos: Point and click is and always will be better, easier and more accurate than controllers though. Even though controller users can be pretty damn good.
My biggest concern with cross play on PC is the mods, hacks or cheats cause people will do anything to win and it's sad. While I think it would be few and far between it only takes a few to ruin it for all.
As a console game I like what MS is doing with the Store for PC games and see nothing but good to come will every thing being basically one network. Might have some good times coming we will see.
Is you consider telling lies as obliteration then yes.
@BigShotSmoov007 said:
Only small minded fanboys thinks that MS making their games availble on the PC is them getting rid of the Xbox, at least they just hoping for that so they can say they won the console war and win their prize of air cookies and warm milk from their fridge. MS is clearly expanding the Xbox name beyond just the Xbox. People who arent PC gamers like myself and millions of others don't care if I game is going to be on the Xbox and PC or PS4 and PC cause PC isn't in the equation for us although I might be jealous of some of the PC only games like XCom and Unreal. For me Quantum is an exclusive to my Xbox cause I can only get it on the Xbox just like Street Fighter is only on the PS4.
This from some one who claim PC is a console when it serve him best..hahahahaaa
@nyadc said:
There's no mental gymnastics, you're just a very ignorant person who places his idiotic fanboyism above rational logic and finds issue where there is none. The direction they are going is a smart one, it caters to more people and as a result will be more financially viable, there's not one downside to this no matter how much you try to allude to there being one.
Smart one how.? Tell me why if this is SO smart of MS how come no one from MS saw since 2001 and decided that 15 years latter it was the moment to start.? This like having IE on xbox 360 was something that MS held on doing because since day 1 they wanted to avoid people mixing the xbox brand with PC.
I tell you this they are doing this for 2 things.
1.xbox one game sales suck,badly to the point of Halo 5 not doing half of what Halo 3 did in the same time frame even that halo 3 was release on a little smaller userbase than the XBO.
2.Because probably they will face the xbox brand or turn it into another windows device like Surface,probably the next xbox if there is one will be a PC like console with an open windows probably.
@Stevo_the_gamer said:
I wouldn't be surprised at a shared ecosystem between Xbox and PC -- where you can play Xbox games on PC and vice-versa. Would be excellent to play Halo on PC.
That is what i say in my thread to if the xbox come back next gen as a brand it would probably be a windows like PC but on a console case kind of like steam systems.
Serves me best LOL. When does it serve me best if I say I'm not a PC gamer LOL. You make no sense.
simple. I have an uncle that doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. He is a casual consumer. He likes racing games. He couldn't care less about the fact that Xbox One has Halo 5 or that the PS4 has Bloodborne. He wants a racing game. He wants to come home after work switch on his console and play his racing game. What the hell do you think he got ?
Whether you can find the game on PC or not regardless of the accessibility a console or PC provides....people still get consoles and it's not entirely based on how many exclusives/ variety of exclusives a console provides. I just gave you an example where a person bought a console because it had a good racing games and possibly was going to give more racing games in the future. That's one example though.
Yeah congratulations your uncle represent 0.000000000001 of the console market,what you did there is call a made to order argument which i can do as well.
My cousin love graphics but he has always like MS games,up until now he wanted to get an xbox one,to play halo,Gears Forza,KI,but since he heard those games are coming to PC and he can play them with much better graphics frames and resolution which platform do you think he go for.? Specially when he payed for live because it was mandatory but on PC is free.
Dude console have always have their soul name one 1 freaking console that didn't have exclusive and share it games with PC.
Yeah that is the problem the xbox one lose its identity what make it unique what fanboys like you have use as sword and shield exclusives,so after 2 generations of arguing about how the xbox was better and the console to get over the PS because of Halo,forza,gears and others now you people pretend like exclusive don't matter because frankly you loss them to PC,is pathetic and sad to see such show from you lemms.
One of the things that separated PC from consoles was its games,gran turismo,uncharted,forza halo,zelda mario sonic VF and many others.
@tormentos: you are so totally and absolutly wrong. Exclusives don't matter one bit in the real world.
Where your friends game and an individual's personal preference on games is ultimately what matters.
I don't perticularly enjoy single player games, I don't do RPG, western or Japanese. If I owened a PS4 right now I wouldn't own 1 exclusive game for that system. Right now the only exclusive game I own for Xbox One is Halo 5 and I really only own that because my kids love playing Halo, it's not really my thing. I tried getting into it with the MCC didn't work, played a few online matches in Halo 5 didn't pull me in. I might give Quantum Break or Crackdown a go but again not really into sitting there playing games by my self so I will most likely skip them.
I am as casual as it get when it comes to gaming. Back in the day the only 2 games I bought every year was Madden in August traded it in, in November and got COD. Then when August rolled around I traded in COD and got Madden again.
I had a 360 since 2005 I bought mostly Madden and COD for its entirety. I also had R6:Vegas, passed on the sequel. Bought Gears of War passed on the sequels. Played some guitar hero and rockband back in the day. Then got Mortal Kombat 9 and basically didn't play anything else except for that and COD, got tired of Madden.
@tormentos: you are so totally and absolutly wrong. Exclusives don't matter one bit in the real world.
Is that why Wii Sports is the highest selling game of all time and wii beat both PS3 and 360 in sales despite being the weakest console with no multiplats because exclusives don't matter?
How's that for a reality check? "bu but exclusivez don't matter?" lol
I guess the real world you live in is actually a fantasyland because the real world says other wise. People have and always will buy consoles for exclusives, having multiplats is a bonus of any specific system.
All in all saying exclusives don't matter one bit in the real world is pretty idiotic but lemmings are in severe damage control because of recent events and want to change reality.
@casharmy: you can't include OG Wii in any conversation. It was gimmick and gimmick alone making that work and those sales possible. Also Wii sports came included with damn near every single Wii.
Don't mistake system wars for the real world, exclusives don't matter. Casuals will gravitate to the popular or gimmicks (see the Wii).
simple. I have an uncle that doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. He is a casual consumer. He likes racing games. He couldn't care less about the fact that Xbox One has Halo 5 or that the PS4 has Bloodborne. He wants a racing game. He wants to come home after work switch on his console and play his racing game. What the hell do you think he got ?
Whether you can find the game on PC or not regardless of the accessibility a console or PC provides....people still get consoles and it's not entirely based on how many exclusives/ variety of exclusives a console provides. I just gave you an example where a person bought a console because it had a good racing games and possibly was going to give more racing games in the future. That's one example though.
Yeah congratulations your uncle represent 0.000000000001 of the console market,what you did there is call a made to order argument which i can do as well.
My cousin love graphics but he has always like MS games,up until now he wanted to get an xbox one,to play halo,Gears Forza,KI,but since he heard those games are coming to PC and he can play them with much better graphics frames and resolution which platform do you think he go for.? Specially when he payed for live because it was mandatory but on PC is free.
Dude console have always have their soul name one 1 freaking console that didn't have exclusive and share it games with PC.
Yeah that is the problem the xbox one lose its identity what make it unique what fanboys like you have use as sword and shield exclusives,so after 2 generations of arguing about how the xbox was better and the console to get over the PS because of Halo,forza,gears and others now you people pretend like exclusive don't matter because frankly you loss them to PC,is pathetic and sad to see such show from you lemms.
One of the things that separated PC from consoles was its games,gran turismo,uncharted,forza halo,zelda mario sonic VF and many others.
Exactly and that's the case for any other person out there. Don't you know the word "preferences", "taste", "genres" ? They all link to the fact that people have different likes and dislikes, and that some games should cater for a certain gamer. Do you honestly think every other person out there play every genre Sony offers ? Or how about the famous Forza/Gears/Halo term going around ? Yeah I haven't played a Forza game since Motorsport 3. Do you think I'm a unique case in that regard ? I'm not.
My PS4 ? It has only had one game since I got it.......Bloodborne. Excluding the Infamous Second Son I had but traded in after I finished it.
My Xbox One ? Most played console. Why ? Well simply because it had SMITE. A game I played a lot on PC and wanted to play with my friends on Xbox Live. I simply never went over onto PS+ that much because when I play PS4 I played solo most of the time.
Yeah. Mind blowing stuff.
I couldn't care less about how many exclusives a console has.....but rather what games it can give me. PC got separated from consoles because of the games they have ? Yeah sure ok. But what if like games like Total War or Homeworld ?
Fanboys are fools and they try to put weight to their opinions as if it were from the masses. The masses however consists of millions with their own refined tastes and of course those people that stagnate themselves in a certain genre or game like Destiny. The people that delve into at least more than 3-4 genres are the minority.
Stop saying "you" as if I was part of your little war on here. You're being one dimensional. It's really boring and predictable. Maybe I should admire the fact that your brain can only think in straight lines, quite the feat.
Exactly and that's the case for any other person out there. Don't you know the word "preferences", "taste", "genres" ? They all link to the fact that people have different likes and dislikes, and that some games should cater for a certain gamer. Do you honestly think every other person out there play every genre Sony offers ? Or how about the famous Forza/Gears/Halo term going around ? Yeah I haven't played a Forza game since Motorsport 3. Do you think I'm a unique case in that regard ? I'm not.
My PS4 ? It has only had one game since I got it.......Bloodborne. Excluding the Infamous Second Son I had but traded in after I finished it.
My Xbox One ? Most played console. Why ? Well simply because it had SMITE. A game I played a lot on PC and wanted to play with my friends on Xbox Live. I simply never went over onto PS+ that much because when I play PS4 I played solo most of the time.
Yeah. Mind blowing stuff.
I couldn't care less about how many exclusives a console has.....but rather what games it can give me. PC got separated from consoles because of the games they have ? Yeah sure ok. But what if like games like Total War or Homeworld ?
Fanboys are fools and they try to put weight to their opinions as if it were from the masses. The masses however consists of millions with their own refined tastes and of course those people that stagnate themselves in a certain genre or game like Destiny. The people that delve into at least more than 3-4 genres are the minority.
Stop saying "you" as if I was part of your little war on here. You're being one dimensional. It's really boring and predictable. Maybe I should admire the fact that your brain can only think in straight lines, quite the feat.
Go sell that cheap ass excuse elsewhere this is systems wars where fanboys like you,have for generations claim the xbox is the console for get because of HALO,GEARS,FORZA,FABLE and all those games that you could not play elsewhere.
So yeah regardless of what you or your uncle want to play,exclusive do matter and is what tell your console apart from the others,is the reason why if you want Mario you buy a Nintendo console if you want Halo you buy an xbox,that reason soon will not be for the xbox one any more because after 2+ generations it will loss its exclusive to another hardware so no any more you will need to mandatory buy an xbox one which by the way wasn't selling that well even with 3 of its major exclusive on a single holiday.
I find it fucking hilarious people play this who is copying who thing, both consoles are fucking PC's in a console box.
They both copy industry standard specs. One uses a Unix type OS BSD and the other uses a Windows derived OS both of which are copies of prior operating systems.
If we are talking UI, who the **** cares. Icons and menu navigation has been around for a long time. Internet gaming is not exactly a new thing either.
It's fucking obvious to all but stupid people that things are built on previous ideas, nobody ever redesigns things from the ground up every time they make a new product, some ideas are obvious, others I can accept are a bit out there. Not even Nintendo's tablet controller is a totally new idea, after all tablets already exist... and video streams and remote control have been around for a long time.
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