Planescape Torment Is Just So Pretentious

I respect the fact that this game strives to be more than its medium, and for a game released in the 90's it was ahead of its time, but..

Its just so self-consiously philisophical. it insists upon itself. very heavy-handed with its storytelling (which I mostly enjoy) but at times when I'm playing I feel like members of black isle are sitting behind me saying 'isn't this brilliant? aren't we geniuses? this is ****in' art man, now lets all pat eachother on the back'

This is a great game but not the best story ever told in games like most people say. It lacks the subtlety in its storytelling that games like Silent Hill 2 and SoTC have in spades.

i voted for the third option because it was most appropriate.

I respect the fact that this game strives to be more than its medium, and for a game released in the 90's it was ahead of its time, but..

Its just so self-consiously philisophical. it insists upon itself. very heavy-handed with its storytelling (which I mostly enjoy) but at times when I'm playing I feel like members of black isle are sitting behind me saying 'isn't this brilliant? aren't we geniuses? this is ****in' art man, now lets all pat eachother on the back'

This is a great game but not the best story ever told in games like most people say. It lacks the subtlety in its storytelling that games like Silent Hill 2 and SoTC have in spades.

No matter how good a game is, if it gets constant praise some one out there will say it's over rated.

Haven't played it.

I haven't played Planescape, but I have a feeling it won't be as good as some people claim. Anyway, prepare to defend your opinion TC, it'd come in handy soon. lol


Edit: Correction, it'd come in handy now actually.

I haven't played Planescape, but I have a feeling it won't be as good as some people claim. YuriSH

It's PC... pretty sure it's way overrated.

:P

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

DarkLink77

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

Master_ShakeXXX

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

Theres always room for MGS bashing :)

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

Master_ShakeXXX

Convoluted is much more defining for a series like MGS. As someone who loved Snake Eater, the MGS storyline is idiotically complex.

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

Snagal123

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

Theres always room for MGS bashing :)

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

black_chamber99

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

Master_ShakeXXX

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

lbjkurono23

Theres always room for MGS bashing :)

I love how people can't say "you're wrong" without bashing console games :lol:

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

Theres always room for MGS bashing :)

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

DarkLink77

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

Whether a game is pretentious or not depends on the player's opinion. Alot of people swear up and down that Braid is extremely pretentious. That doesn't mean that it is though.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] Of course there is... even more when you're hurting for a AAAAE :)

emorainbo

I love how people can't say "you're wrong" without bashing console games :lol:

felipebo

[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Don't care about the score. The series is so badly written it's pathetic. Kojima desperately needs an editor.DarkLink77

As a MGS fan I can tell you that only applies for 4 though... the rest of the series is just fine, but 4 has serious problems indeed.

Of course there is... even more when you're hurting for a AAAAE :)

lbjkurono23

/ends of defending MGS from *** bashing

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

Master_ShakeXXX

Whether a game is pretentious or not depends on the player's opinion. Alot of people swear up and down that Braid is extremely pretentious. That doesn't mean that it is though.

pre·ten·tious   

[pri-ten-shuhs] –adjective

1. full of pretense or pretension.

2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.

3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.

Lines 2 and 3 sum up MGS as a series almost perfectly.

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

I love how people can't say "you're wrong" without bashing console games :lol:

deangallop

Hmm, then it's time for a lolcat, because I think everything that's been said to this point is a bunch of crap.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

black_chamber99

[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Don't care about the score. The series is so badly written it's pathetic. Kojima desperately needs an editor.DarkLink77

The plot in engaging,and I enjoy the whole loose take on the "illuminati" conspiracy theories. Too bad it's covered in cheese.

[QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

Skittles_McGee

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] When MGS4 drove the storyline into the ground.Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] you mean MGS 2ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] No I mean 4. MGS2 at least had some redeeming parts to its story. Precious few, but some. MGS4 just crashed the train.emorainbo

touché

I don't see what's the big fuss. Planescape Torment IS pretentious. It's possibly the greatest RPG ever, but it's story is a bit pretentious. Metal gear Solid is more pretentious though and it's writing is nowhere near the quality of Planescape and Braid? don't even get me started on Braidohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]I don't see what's the big fuss. Planescape Torment IS pretentious. It's possibly the greatest RPG ever, but it's story is a bit pretentious. Metal gear Solid is more pretentious though and it's writing is nowhere near the quality of Planescape and Braid? don't even get me started on Braidtexasgoldrush

I only played ultima IX though, i've been meaning to buy the Ultima collection, but ordering it from the US to Portugal can be pretty expensive

Is pretentious the new overrated or something? :?

Did the word overrated just get too pretentious?

Having read Atlus Shrugged nothing seems pretentious any more. Well, except that.

Some sections of dialogue in Planescape were a bit contrived though,[spoiler] and frankly the part where the Enlightened one turns up for the first time dosn't make sense. He was supposed to be confined to a single place, he could not have been there. [/spoiler] . The ending also kind of sucked. Apart from that it's not really pretentious at all.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]I don't see what's the big fuss. Planescape Torment IS pretentious. It's possibly the greatest RPG ever, but it's story is a bit pretentious. Metal gear Solid is more pretentious though and it's writing is nowhere near the quality of Planescape and Braid? don't even get me started on Braidtexasgoldrush

That's irrelevant. If someone enjoys Planescape more then it's fair enough to say it's the greatest RPG to them. Besides games like BG2 were full of cliches, and frustratingly tedious dialogue. Those games might have been designed better, but in terms of everything except gameplay design they weren't as well directed.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]I don't see what's the big fuss. Planescape Torment IS pretentious. It's possibly the greatest RPG ever, but it's story is a bit pretentious. Metal gear Solid is more pretentious though and it's writing is nowhere near the quality of Planescape and Braid? don't even get me started on BraidWasntAvailable

That's irrelevant. If someone enjoys Planescape more then it's fair enough to say it's the greatest RPG to them. Besides games like BG2 were full of cliches, and frustratingly tedious dialogue. Those games might have been designed better, but in terms of everything except gameplay design they weren't as well directed.