Planescape Torment Is Just So Pretentious

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#51 black_chamber99
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I don't get the MGS4 hate. it is unjustly hated on just like 2 was

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#52 FIipMode
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I like going on about how video game stories are pretentious, convoluted or the like, it's by far the most important part of the game.
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#53 Brownesque
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well... that's timely.DarkStraberry
To the extent maybe that Assassin's Creed is corny and pretentious, but.... Maybe it's timely to the extent that it's the second thread I disagree with strongly tonight.

And BTW, TC, you dun goofed up. The consequences will never be the same.

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#55 Arach666
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Well,some people just can´t grasp magnificence,I guess.

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#56 markinthedark
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I really do not remember getting a pretentious vibe from planescape torment. But i also played the game back when it was released with no expectations since i knew nothing about the game at the time. Maybe you are just trying to find flaws with the game since its so universally praised.

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#57 StealthSting
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

Master_ShakeXXX

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

*raises eyebrow*

Hmm... meh I've done my share of trash talking when it concerns MGS for the day(or MGS4 in this case).

I don't see what's the big fuss. Planescape Torment IS pretentious. It's possibly the greatest RPG ever, but it's story is a bit pretentious. Metal gear Solid is more pretentious though and it's writing is nowhere near the quality of Planescape and Braid? don't even get me started on Braidohthemanatee

Ugh Braid, God Braid. What the hell was up with that game? Don't get me wrong, I liked it and all, but... after going to the internet to kind of find out what the hell was going on after finishing it(which I've hardly ever done for a game), I still had to ask: WTF?

After hearing so many people praise the story of the game, that's still my take on it.

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#58 sammysalsa
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3rd option.

Spelling Every Single Word In The Title With A Capital Letter Just Makes You Appear Even Less Intelligent Than You Really Are.

Or maybe not after reading your initial post. l2blog.

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#59 TheGrayEye
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*spoilers* I think the best aspects of it's story were mainly the stuff that were just about the Nameless One himself, such as the idea that he's essentially been many different "characters", due to how he often changes in personality when he dies, as well as lose his memory. It was also interesting finding out stuff he done in that past as his other selves.

But for the most part, I didn't think the story was that special to be honest. It could be that I'm just not a fantasy guy, but most of it seemed like fetch quest stuff- having the protagonist run around, talk to someone to just finding out maybe one or two bits of information, then running somewhere else to meet another person. The only thing I really cared about was finding out the secrets behind the protagonist himself, the rest of the plot was largely a blur.

It was also kind of disappointing to find out that it was a witch that had been the reason for your immortality- I was hoping for something really mind-bending and unique, and an old hunchback witch doesn't really strike me as that. It was still a good story, especially for a video game, but it just feels like- with the incredibly unique protagonist that they had, that they could have made something better.

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#60 DragonfireXZ95
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I love how people can't say "you're wrong" without bashing console games :lol:

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They'd still say the same thing even if MGS4 was on PC. In fact, 1 and 2 ARE on PC.
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#61 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]It insists upon itself? :lol: Sorry bub, Planescape still has one of the best stories in video game history (Yes that's not saying much when looking at video games in general but it doesn't mean it's a bad story)

No...Planescape Torment is THE best storyline in a video game.
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#62 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

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This.

I was about to say the same thing
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#63 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I think you misspelled Metal Gear Solid.

Master_ShakeXXX

How clever :roll:

Can't you guys just say "you're wrong" without having to start the MGS bashing in a totally unrelated thread. And Planescape's story WISHES it was as deep, complex, and detailed as MGS's.

I love MGS, but it's story is a complete mess.
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#64 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]It insists upon itself? :lol: Sorry bub, Planescape still has one of the best stories in video game history (Yes that's not saying much when looking at video games in general but it doesn't mean it's a bad story)JangoWuzHere
No...Planescape Torment is THE best storyline in a video game.

I say Grim Fandango...more charm and better ending.
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#65 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]It insists upon itself? :lol: Sorry bub, Planescape still has one of the best stories in video game history (Yes that's not saying much when looking at video games in general but it doesn't mean it's a bad story)texasgoldrush
No...Planescape Torment is THE best storyline in a video game.

I say Grim Fandango...more charm and better ending.

never played grim fandango, but i loved the ending in PS:T, loved that it didnt take the cliched video game happy ending route.

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#66 nameless12345
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I haven't actually played it, but I've heard it has tons of text, so yeah. I like to play games, not read them :P

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#67 gamer620
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I don't believe you event completed the game. How far did you get? The story is decent at the beginning, but amazing by the time it ends. Metaphorically, the story is like a fine wine that only gets better with age (or in this case, the more time you spend playing through the story) In my opinion, the developers would have had every right to pat themselves on the back while they watched me play because I found the story amazing, every time i beat the game (finding new story elements each replay) You want to fault the game? Fault the proof readers and QA department for letting a handful of grammatical and spelling errors release along side a handful of game breaking bugs, but there is absolutely no basis for trying to find fault in the story, especially if you are no where near completing it.
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#68 skrat_01
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Then play COD. I hear the No Russian level is one of the most amazing examples of in game narrative ever conceived. SoTC subtle? Oh yes that was quite apparent when the main character is continuously murdered alongside every other clear pointer.
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#69 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] No...Planescape Torment is THE best storyline in a video game. markinthedark

I say Grim Fandango...more charm and better ending.

never played grim fandango, but i loved the ending in PS:T, loved that it didnt take the cliched video game happy ending route.

however, it didn't take player choice into account...thats the problem. It has the "why the hell did I do this?" feeling.

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#70 Ravenchrome
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I must say the Ending of PST is underwhelming, but the whole story is superb.

It's the writing behind NPC,quests and denizens that make it an amazing narrative experience.

There is a dialog with a mage when you have completed her tasks in order to become an apprentice mage.

I've forgotten the exact text but it was superb.

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#71 Cerberuspledge
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I say Grim Fandango...more charm and better ending.texasgoldrush

never played grim fandango, but i loved the ending in PS:T, loved that it didnt take the cliched video game happy ending route.

however, it didn't take player choice into account...thats the problem. It has the "why the hell did I do this?" feeling.

It did. A lot. Mostly subtle though. Also why is the ending underwhelming? Seriously its one of the best endings ever. Not to mention you can also tackle it in multiple ways including talking the TTO into suicide. Also TNO's speech about what is a man at the end is superb.
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#72 Ravenchrome
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WHAT CAN CHANGE THE NATURE OF A MAN?

Pretty much the game's premise and ending (best ending)...

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#73 shane_orija
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[QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

_Pedro_
The moment MGSIV got a 10.

People don't bash SMG 1/2
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#74 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

when did it become cool to bash metal gear solid? i didnt get the memo

shane_orija
The moment MGSIV got a 10.

People don't bash SMG 1/2

MGS, with it's convoluted storyline and highly unusual cut-scene to gameplay ratio is always going to divide players more than SMG.
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#75 black_chamber99
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[QUOTE="shane_orija"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"] The moment MGSIV got a 10. FGMPR
People don't bash SMG 1/2

MGS, with it's convoluted storyline and highly unusual cut-scene to gameplay ratio is always going to divide players more than SMG.

i never got this. whats so convoluted about MGS storyline? it seems like youre just regurgitating the same crap everyone else says

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#76 SecretPolice
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I can't believe that only myself and four others got it right. :twisted:

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#77 foxhound_fox
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Eh. Haven't played much of it... never really interested me that much.

If you think Shadow of the Colossus' story is well told, you need to spend some time with Prince of Persia [2008] and a textbook on Zoroastrianism.

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#78 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="FGMPR"][QUOTE="shane_orija"] People don't bash SMG 1/2black_chamber99

MGS, with it's convoluted storyline and highly unusual cut-scene to gameplay ratio is always going to divide players more than SMG.

i never got this. whats so convoluted about MGS storyline? it seems like youre just regurgitating the same crap everyone else says

I've played all the games (bar Peace Walker). I know what I'm talking about. MGS 2, in particular was the most confusing plotline I have ever experienced in a game. 75% was exposition, that dumped obtuse layer after layer of plot on you before you could even begin to react to the last big reveal. It was an absolute mess. MGS 1 was fine, but 3 got messy and so did 4, and when you look at the series plotline as a whole, it's not pretty. I just can't see how even the biggest MGS fan could sit there and tell me that it doesn't have a convoluted plot. I love the games, I enjoyed all of the them. The overarching story is a mess. End of.
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#79 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

[QUOTE="FGMPR"] MGS, with it's convoluted storyline and highly unusual cut-scene to gameplay ratio is always going to divide players more than SMG.FGMPR

i never got this. whats so convoluted about MGS storyline? it seems like youre just regurgitating the same crap everyone else says

I've played all the games (bar Peace Walker). I know what I'm talking about. MGS 2, in particular was the most confusing plotline I have ever experienced in a game. 75% was exposition, that dumped obtuse layer after layer of plot on you before you could even begin to react to the last big reveal. It was an absolute mess. MGS 1 was fine, but 3 got messy and so did 4, and when you look at the series plotline as a whole, it's not pretty. I just can't see how even the biggest MGS fan could sit there and tell me that it doesn't have a convoluted plot. I love the games, I enjoyed all of the them. The overarching story is a mess. End of.

i generally stay away from commenting on MGS since the only one i played was 2... but the ridiculous story completely ruined what i otherwise thought was a fun game. MGS2 is also the reason i have never bothered with another MGS title, it really soured me on the series. I always just assumed the rest of them were just as ridiculous.

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#80 bobbetybob
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Never played it but I've felt this way about other games, Max Payne 2 was supposed to have a great story but it just felt like they were trying too hard to be smart and it just came off that way.
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#81 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="FGMPR"][QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

i never got this. whats so convoluted about MGS storyline? it seems like youre just regurgitating the same crap everyone else says

markinthedark

I've played all the games (bar Peace Walker). I know what I'm talking about. MGS 2, in particular was the most confusing plotline I have ever experienced in a game. 75% was exposition, that dumped obtuse layer after layer of plot on you before you could even begin to react to the last big reveal. It was an absolute mess. MGS 1 was fine, but 3 got messy and so did 4, and when you look at the series plotline as a whole, it's not pretty. I just can't see how even the biggest MGS fan could sit there and tell me that it doesn't have a convoluted plot. I love the games, I enjoyed all of the them. The overarching story is a mess. End of.

i generally stay away from commenting on MGS since the only one i played was 2... but the ridiculous story completely ruined what i otherwise thought was a fun game. MGS2 is also the reason i have never bothered with another MGS title, it really soured me on the series. I always just assumed the rest of them were just as ridiculous.

Nah, MGS2 is the worst by a long way. MGS 1 and 3 are fantastic games, with MGS1's story, as long as you look at it by itself, is very good.
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#82 skrat_01
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i never got this. whats so convoluted about MGS storyline? it seems like youre just regurgitating the same crap everyone else says

black_chamber99
Somewhere between possession by hand transplant, metal gear arsenal, more foxdie, military in fighting the patriots and the legacy of zero. MGS3 and MG1 had fantastic narratives. MGS2 became a mess and MGS4's reliance on obtrusive cut scenes alone speaks volumes of how much of a mess it became. Sure I understood it and it was essentially fixing the mess of a plot that had been created, however it wasn't well told. Kojima had dug himself into a pit really, it's admirable he got out.
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#83 DJ_Lae
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Subtlety? I guess Shadow of Colossus has that, because it's got very little story. I guess novels must be a chore to read, too - I mean, with all those words just dumped out the page they're not very subtle either.
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#84 black_chamber99
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Subtlety? I guess Shadow of Colossus has that, because it's got very little story. I guess novels must be a chore to read, too - I mean, with all those words just dumped out the page they're not very subtle either.DJ_Lae

you have no idea what youre even sayng

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#85 Cerberuspledge
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No, SOTW is subtle with its story, but that doesn't mean that it has "very little story". Most of it is told through the enviroment and visuals. Not through words.
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#86 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="Cerberuspledge"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

never played grim fandango, but i loved the ending in PS:T, loved that it didnt take the cliched video game happy ending route.

however, it didn't take player choice into account...thats the problem. It has the "why the hell did I do this?" feeling.

It did. A lot. Mostly subtle though. Also why is the ending underwhelming? Seriously its one of the best endings ever. Not to mention you can also tackle it in multiple ways including talking the TTO into suicide. Also TNO's speech about what is a man at the end is superb.

You can defeat the transcendent One in multiple ways, but in the end, the outcome is the same. Damnation.
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#87 Planeforger
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Speaking of which, the game was re-released on gog.com about an hour ago, for only $10.

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/planescape_torment

Why not judge it for yourselves? It's only my favourite game ever :P

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#88 moose_knuckler
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I hate when people assume that the majority of the minds behind great stories are so egocentric. I believe more writers are saying "Hope people enjoy my ideas and what messages I'm delivering" instead of "man I'm an effin genius for this idea".

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#89 hypoty
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Speaking of which, the game was re-released on gog.com about an hour ago, for only $10.

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/planescape_torment

Why not judge it for yourselves? It's only my favourite game ever :P

Planeforger

Well, gog.com have just redeemed themselves for that going out of business stunt they pulled. Long live Planescape!