Playing Wii On an HD TV

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="Merex760"] Uhh, what? My TV automatically scales down to 720p if the game is 720p...looks perfectly fine. kris9031998

They describe how many pixels are used in generating the image and as such both size and quality.

That's what he means by "black space". 1280*720 pixels on a 1920*108p TV would leave over half of the screen empty. Hence upscaling, which stretches the images, but at a cost to quality rather than increasing it as is usually the purpose of hgiher resolutions.

It depends on the tv. I'm playing Twilight Princess at the moment and I was surprised at how good it looks. Also, for some odd reason--and from my experience--wii/gamecube/etc tend to favor Plasma tvs over lcds.

Heirren

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Please, My N64 looks great on HDTV. And while we on the subject, I'll hooked up the NES/SNES/Genesis/PS1/PS2 to see how they would looked on a HDTV.PSP107

Well, here's a sample of what PS2 games look like on a 1080p HDTV (aka my 24" monitor) . I'm also using regular composite cables. I probably should've set my camera to sports mode. Still looks okay to me. That's why I refuse to get rid of my PS2.

My only problem is the 4:3 aspect ratio for a lot of games. For Twilight Princess I'm using the option that gradually stretches the image, and it works quite well. Not all games cater to this though and I can't seem to find an option on my tv that turns those grey bars, black.

Component cables are mandatory for Wii games on an HD TV unless you want your eyes ripped out of your skull and eaten by wild geese.

I'm playing Skyward Sword right now on my HDTV, and it looks amazing for a wii game.

so many people take things way overboard..get way to dramatic and make things worse then they really are on this site when it comes to resolution and such. I have played the Wii on a 720p tv and a 720p projector with a 110" screen. BOTH look incredible. AND to make things more interesting, I have played PS2,Xbox,NES games on the 110" screen and they all look just fine. Everyone is so quick to hate on something that isnt photorealistic and supporting the latest and greatest. Get over it..

so many people take things way overboard..get way to dramatic and make things worse then they really are on this site when it comes to resolution and such. I have played the Wii on a 720p tv and a 720p projector with a 110" screen. BOTH look incredible. AND to make things more interesting, I have played PS2,Xbox,NES games on the 110" screen and they all look just fine. Everyone is so quick to hate on something that isnt photorealistic and supporting the latest and greatest. Get over it..

VanDammFan

LCD panels have outclassed plasma for the past two years or so.

subrosian

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh....no. LCDs just have issues. Poor contrast and motion. That local dimming thing that was introduced to rectify some of the problems actually ended up causing more problems. Plasma is the better tech for movies and games.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

LCD panels have outclassed plasma for the past two years or so.

Heirren

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh....no. LCDs just have issues. Poor contrast and motion. That local dimming thing that was introduced to rectify some of the problems actually ended up causing more problems. Plasma is the better tech for movies and games.

eww.....no.....

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[QUOTE="subrosian"]

LCD panels have outclassed plasma for the past two years or so.

CDUB316

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh....no. LCDs just have issues. Poor contrast and motion. That local dimming thing that was introduced to rectify some of the problems actually ended up causing more problems. Plasma is the better tech for movies and games.

eww.....no.....

Technically, yes.

The resolution is fine, but my main complaint is the color depth of the games. there is so much banding

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

LCD panels have outcIassed plasma for the past two years or so.

Heirren

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh....no. LCDs just have issues. Poor contrast and motion. That local dimming thing that was introduced to rectify some of the problems actually ended up causing more problems. Plasma is the better tech for movies and games.

I couldn't believe I read that statement either...that's very misinformed. I would have to agree with you Heirren.

More specifically Plasma is superior in motion, viewing angle, and deep blacks...LCD's are brighter, and do well in well lit rooms, but at the cost of deep blacks. Viewing angle is a concern for many, what type of lighting the HDTV will be in, and how large the TV actually is (I prefer LCD for small computer and HDTV setups), the manufacturer, the make and model of the HDTV. Motion is more of an issue for gamers (which is what we here at Gamespot.com know something about, Games), as we deal with motion in our games.

I thought about arguing, and trying to explain in great detail all the finer points and I realized this is System Wars, not some sort of fun AVforum...but in the end, it doesn't matter. The tech we have today is remarkable.

I will say this, there are things LCD does great, and there are things that Plasma does great. LCD still has a ways to go to outcIass Plasma, but I do think that one day that may be the case, if a new better tech doesn't consume both first.

Arguing in System Wars? Ha, I instead will drop links for those that actually want to know and read and learn about the Plasma vs. LED LCD/LCD sets. SolidTy the Educator is here again. Visit some AVForums gentlemen, the truth is out there my fellow System Warriors, lurkers, gamespotters, and humans. ;) :P

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galaxy 1 and 2 are the only games that look passable on a hd display, imo.MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]galaxy 1 and 2 are the only games that look passable on a hd display, imo.godzillavskong

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]galaxy 1 and 2 are the only games that look passable on a hd display, imo.MFDOOM1983

It looks fine with component cables.charizard1605

Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.ShadowDeathX

rage, god of war 3, red dead redemption and many other games on my 1080p hdtv proves otherwise. it looks miles better than my old 720p, i don't understand how anyone could see differently.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.lazerface216

rage, god of war 3, red dead redemption and many other games on my 1080p hdtv proves otherwise. it looks miles better than my old 720p, i don't understand how anyone could see differently.

Because upscaling will always look ugly. Your 1080p TV may be a good TV and produces a good picture, but it will never produce a great picture if it isn't being fed 1080p content.

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.ChubbyGuy40

rage, god of war 3, red dead redemption and many other games on my 1080p hdtv proves otherwise. it looks miles better than my old 720p, i don't understand how anyone could see differently.

Because upscaling will always look ugly. Your 1080p TV may be a good TV and produces a good picture, but it will never produce a great picture if it isn't being fed 1080p content.

does the ps3 upscale? my tv automatically goes to 720p when i play ps3 games. either way, it looks amazing and much better than a 720p hdtv...

It probably looks better not because of the 1080p resolution but the quality of the display itself.

does the ps3 upscale? my tv automatically goes to 720p when i play ps3 games. either way, it looks amazing and much better than a 720p hdtv...

lazerface216

It does, but sometimes it lacks the memory to do so. If it does, the TV will upscale. You won't be able to tell the difference anyway. Your TV doesn't "go" to 720p. It's just being fed content that is, or is close to 720p resolution then upscaling it to 1080p. If it didn't, you'd have a really small picture on your screen. It only upscales to use all the space on your TV.

Alright, thanks you guys. Also, I heard a female farts in this game? Is that true?Brodomski

Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.ShadowDeathX

Uh... what? :-o My 1080p TV has no problem with switching to 720p if it recieves 720p signal and it looks EXACTLY the same as on regular 720p TV. The same goes for 480p or whatever. The fact that the TV is capableof showing 1080p resolution doesnt mean that it cant switch itself to 720p or even SD...

I have played my Wii via component cables on my Panasnic 600hz Viera Plasma HDTV, my Pioneer Plasma HDTV (best HDTVs ever made, fact) and my 40" Samsung LCD HDTV and there isn't that much difference between them but on my Pioneer it looks the most natural and overall, better.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Twilight Princess and some of the Cube games look pretty good. I played through RE0 and Resident Evil on the Wii with those component cables, and it did look better. godzillavskong

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.BlbecekBobecek

Uh... what? :-o My 1080p TV has no problem with switching to 720p if it recieves 720p signal and it looks EXACTLY the same as on regular 720p TV. The same goes for 480p or whatever. The fact that the TV is capableof showing 1080p resolution doesnt mean that it cant switch itself to 720p or even SD...

Not unless it changes the picture size, if your TV is 1080p then that is what it can show, anything different will be upscaled to 1080p or otherwise the screen wouldn't be filled up.

Take a photo at 720 (or any resolution) then change the resolution in paint to something smaller like 300 you will notice the picture reduces in size. Same thing applies with a TV, the only way to get the image back to the size of the 720 picture is the upscale it.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.APiranhaAteMyVa

Uh... what? :-o My 1080p TV has no problem with switching to 720p if it recieves 720p signal and it looks EXACTLY the same as on regular 720p TV. The same goes for 480p or whatever. The fact that the TV is capableof showing 1080p resolution doesnt mean that it cant switch itself to 720p or even SD...

Not unless it changes the picture size, if your TV is 1080p then that is what it can show, anything different will be upscaled to 1080p or otherwise the screen wouldn't be filled up.

Take a photo at 720 (or any resolution) then change the resolution in paint to something smaller like 300 you will notice the picture reduces in size. Same thing applies with a TV, the only way to get the image back to the size of the 720 picture is the upscale it.

Do you have any link to back your statement up? Because Im pretty sure its not true. The TV can show any resolution up to 1080p, but that doesnt mean it cant switch to lower resolutions like 720p and doesnt need to upscale it. Some TVs do have an upscaler as a feature and can try to upscale 720p to 1080i, but you can always turn it off.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Playing a Wii game on 720p TV would be the same effect as if you were playing a Xbox 360/PS3 game on a 1080p TV. It looks ugly.....and blurry.APiranhaAteMyVa

Uh... what? :-o My 1080p TV has no problem with switching to 720p if it recieves 720p signal and it looks EXACTLY the same as on regular 720p TV. The same goes for 480p or whatever. The fact that the TV is capableof showing 1080p resolution doesnt mean that it cant switch itself to 720p or even SD...

Not unless it changes the picture size, if your TV is 1080p then that is what it can show, anything different will be upscaled to 1080p or otherwise the screen wouldn't be filled up.

Take a photo at 720 (or any resolution) then change the resolution in paint to something smaller like 300 you will notice the picture reduces in size. Same thing applies with a TV, the only way to get the image back to the size of the 720 picture is the upscale it.

Do you have any link to back your statement up? Because Im pretty sure its not true. The TV can show any resolution up to 1080p, but that doesnt mean it cant switch to lower resolutions like 720p and doesnt need to upscale it. Some TVs do have an upscaler as a feature and can try to upscale 720p to 1080i, but you can always turn it off.

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Uh... what? :-o My 1080p TV has no problem with switching to 720p if it recieves 720p signal and it looks EXACTLY the same as on regular 720p TV. The same goes for 480p or whatever. The fact that the TV is capableof showing 1080p resolution doesnt mean that it cant switch itself to 720p or even SD...

BlbecekBobecek

Not unless it changes the picture size, if your TV is 1080p then that is what it can show, anything different will be upscaled to 1080p or otherwise the screen wouldn't be filled up.

Take a photo at 720 (or any resolution) then change the resolution in paint to something smaller like 300 you will notice the picture reduces in size. Same thing applies with a TV, the only way to get the image back to the size of the 720 picture is the upscale it.

Do you have any link to back your statement up? Because Im pretty sure its not true. The TV can show any resolution up to 1080p, but that doesnt mean it cant switch to lower resolutions like 720p and doesnt need to upscale it. Some TVs do have an upscaler as a feature and can try to upscale 720p to 1080i, but you can always turn it off.

If you are viewing any content that is below 1080p and is occupying the entire screen, it is being upscaled. Some tvs do offer a "native" option, where the image will be framed and display the image at native resolution, however.

Do you have any link to back your statement up? Because Im pretty sure its not true. The TV can show any resolution up to 1080p, but that doesnt mean it cant switch to lower resolutions like 720p and doesnt need to upscale it. Some TVs do have an upscaler as a feature and can try to upscale 720p to 1080i, but you can always turn it off.

BlbecekBobecek

Also, all TVs with a native 1080p native pixel resolution must scale all 480p, 720p, and 1080i input sources to 1080p in order to display the input signal on the screen. In essence, the 1080p function on your TV may be done with internal scaling or processing or by accepting a straight incoming 1080p signal. Hoemtheater

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Do you have any link to back your statement up? Because Im pretty sure its not true. The TV can show any resolution up to 1080p, but that doesnt mean it cant switch to lower resolutions like 720p and doesnt need to upscale it. Some TVs do have an upscaler as a feature and can try to upscale 720p to 1080i, but you can always turn it off.

APiranhaAteMyVa

Also, all TVs with a native 1080p native pixel resolution must scale all 480p, 720p, and 1080i input sources to 1080p in order to display the input signal on the screen. In essence, the 1080p function on your TV may be done with internal scaling or processing or by accepting a straight incoming 1080p signal. Hoemtheater

Thanks! One always learns something new, I guess. So its a fact that "all TVs with a native 1080p native pixel resolution must scale all 480p, 720p, and 1080i input sources to 1080p in order to display the input signal on the screen".Does that mean that my games from PS3 that mostly run on 720p look worse(i.e. blurrier)on 1080p TV than they would look on 720p TV? (I will do my own research and post here if I find out).

I play Zelda Skyward Sword on an HDTV and it looks fine.

Get component cables and turn the settings to widescreen. Component cables are the ones with Red, Blue, and Green plugs for video.ActionRemix

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Wii over component on my 600Hz Viera plasma looks fantastic. I hear LCD makes it look like crap though.subrosian

LCD panels have out****d plasma for the past two years or so.

Though if you actually care about picture quality, I'd suggest going projection.

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The issue with Wii graphics on the best-of-the-best displays is that there's simply a lack of "information" to fill the picture. It's like taking a small JPEG and stretching it to fill your entire computer screen, it doesn't work. As TVs get bigger and bigger (Best Buy has a 42" for $200 on Black Friday) that becomes more of a problem.

There is A TON more data and detail in the 720p consoles and 1080p PCs out there, and because of that, when you "stretch" that image to fill a bigger screen, it looks crisper. Your "HD" consoles also have some amount of anti-aliasing and anisiostrophic filtering, which the Wii doesn't do, which means the "jaggies" and distant textures qualities create issues.

Wait ... what? "Out****d" in what category exactly? :?

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Wii over component on my 600Hz Viera plasma looks fantastic. I hear LCD makes it look like crap though.W1NGMAN-

LCD panels have out****d plasma for the past two years or so.

Though if you actually care about picture quality, I'd suggest going projection.

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The issue with Wii graphics on the best-of-the-best displays is that there's simply a lack of "information" to fill the picture. It's like taking a small JPEG and stretching it to fill your entire computer screen, it doesn't work. As TVs get bigger and bigger (Best Buy has a 42" for $200 on Black Friday) that becomes more of a problem.

There is A TON more data and detail in the 720p consoles and 1080p PCs out there, and because of that, when you "stretch" that image to fill a bigger screen, it looks crisper. Your "HD" consoles also have some amount of anti-aliasing and anisiostrophic filtering, which the Wii doesn't do, which means the "jaggies" and distant textures qualities create issues.

Wait ... what? "Out****d" in what category exactly? :?

The most important; weight.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

LCD panels have out****d plasma for the past two years or so.

Though if you actually care about picture quality, I'd suggest going projection.

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The issue with Wii graphics on the best-of-the-best displays is that there's simply a lack of "information" to fill the picture. It's like taking a small JPEG and stretching it to fill your entire computer screen, it doesn't work. As TVs get bigger and bigger (Best Buy has a 42" for $200 on Black Friday) that becomes more of a problem.

There is A TON more data and detail in the 720p consoles and 1080p PCs out there, and because of that, when you "stretch" that image to fill a bigger screen, it looks crisper. Your "HD" consoles also have some amount of anti-aliasing and anisiostrophic filtering, which the Wii doesn't do, which means the "jaggies" and distant textures qualities create issues.

Heirren

Wait ... what? "Out****d" in what category exactly? :?

The most important; weight.

I seen you and Ty already address the statement ... I'll be moving on now :P

42 inch Panasonic 720p plasma owner with a Wii and component cables here. Wii games look great on my TV :)

42 inch Panasonic 720p plasma owner with a Wii and component cables here. Wii games look great on my TV :)

Jesus_on_fire

it's a jagfest on my 40'', and I have component cables. the artstyle and animations are great, but the Wii is simply a last-gen console technologically. of course, graphics are the LAST thing i care about when i play wii games.princeofshapeir

Get component cables.

The Wii looks pretty good on my HD CRT, but I've heard bad things about LCDs.