Playstation 3 vs Xbox 360 - Truth Behind Real 1080p

We want the truth! You can't handle the truth! Kidding with Jack Nicholson and a "Few Good Men" aside, what is the real deal with 1080p between the 2 systems?

A lot of the newer games coming out on the 360 are now stating that they could be played in 1080p; in fact the 1080p library of the 360 is pretty much double that of the PS3. Yet, a lot of those 360 games actually only "upscales" 720p resolution into looking 1080p, but in fact is not Native (aka real) 1080p.

PS3 on the other hand don't have as many games that state it could play 1080p (mostly Native 720p). But when the game says it does plays 1080p, these PS3 games are the better native 1080p resolution games. That was until a game like "Grand Theft Auto IV" managed to sneak through the PS3 library stating it plays 1080p but in reality has a much lower resolution; in fact lower than 720p @ just 640p.

A list of PS3 games that play in full 1080p from Wiki (so far there's about 30 native 1080p games): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_full_HD_1080P_PS3_games

A list of 360 games that play in full 1080p, though the site is 10 months outdated (only 3 native 1080p games so far): http://www.makeyougohmm.com/xbox360-1080p-games/

Though the 360 has over double the library of games that state could play in 1080p, it only has 3 games (so far) that plays Native 1080p. The PS3 on the other hand has most of its game library playing at Native 720p but has at least over 30 Native 1080p games.

Another difference between both systems is that the 360 can usually upscale its 720p games pretty well into 1080p (haven't read any complaints thus far). But the PS3 (after going through the XMB settings since PS3 games love its 720p default), have a few issues trying to upscale from 720p, since most upscaled to 1080p games tend to look slightly inferior to it's default 720p setting; and some Native 1080p games somehow looses texture when played in 1080p - i.e. "Dead Space".

So how would we know if these new games that both companies are coming out with are REAL 1080p games?

For those who own both systems, regarding graphical look, is it a bit aggravating to always be judging which version of the game to purchase?

I always assume everyone is lying to me all the time.

The interweb tells me the truth :shock:

xbox360 has some native 1920x1080 games and ps3.

howstuffworks.com

Its simple. Both put out the full digital signal. Period. However it just depends if the game is native or not. Both will do native 1080p if programmed to.

The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.dream431ca

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.II-FBIsniper-II

No you don't

The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.dream431ca

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.II-FBIsniper-II

That was an old thing, because the 360 did not have HDMI (now it does for all models I think), meaing you would have to get your 1080p through component cables and only a fraction of TV's can do that.

I think the real argument here is the fact that Microsoft stated from the very beginning that 720p was the HD sweet spot for this generation. Sony had to Hype the PS3 to high heaven with their bullcrap "1080p is True HD" and "120 fps" and "dual screen" lies.

Microsoft doesn't overstate their hardware the way Sony loves to do.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.WillieBeamish

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.All_that_is_Man

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

Almost every HDTV in existence supports VGA. Every TV that is based on LCD or DLP supports 1080p component (assuming the TV is 1080p capable of course). Try going to a Best Buy or Circuit City some time.

Furthermore, Every Xbox 360 made after 2006 has an HDMI port.

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.All_that_is_Man

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.All_that_is_Man

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

ALL now have HDMI , and if some tv's support 1080P through Component then you can still do it.

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.WillieBeamish

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

Almost every HDTV in existence supports VGA. Every TV that is based on LCD or DLP supports 1080p component (assuming the TV is 1080p capable of course). Try going to a Best Buy or Circuit City some time.

Furthermore, Every Xbox 360 made after 2006 has an HDMI port.

I ment support hd 1080p threw Component,You notice how I said nothing about vga since I know nothing about it.

And no every HDTV doesn't support 1080p threw component, most high end brands don't, most brands in general don't, look it up

Furthermore, I know considering I use HDMI threw my 360

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.Erik_Lensherr

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

ALL now have HDMI , and if some tv's support 1080P through Component then you can still do it.

DID I SAY THEY DON"T.....no I didn't I use hdmi for my ps3 and 360, I've known they all have it

But if you have an old model your out of luck because if you send it in for rrod you will still get back the same box without hdmi

Bullcrap:|

The 360 has more games running at 720p and upscales all games to 1080p

In the case of PS3, multiplats run at lower res or lower AA, if not both not forgetting worse framerates.

When it comes to the resolution debate. the 360 wins NO CONTEST

[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"][QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.All_that_is_Man

dude get your facts straight. A launch 360 arcade can output 1080p via component or VGA.

No it can't, component is only supported up to 1080i, some tv's support 1080p signal threw it but very few, so you gonna need hdmi

ALL now have HDMI , and if some tv's support 1080P through Component then you can still do it.

DID I SAY THEY DON"T.....no I didn't I use hdmi for my ps3 and 360, I've known they all have it

But if you have an old model your out of luck because if you send it in for rrod you will still get back the same box without hdmi

i do believe the burden on proof is on your my friend, its your responsibility to show us that next to no tvs support 1080p over component.

The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.dream431ca

Well, Since I don't really care enough to argue and prove you wrong I won't

But if you really care to find out just search 1080p over component, and click on any link it brings up

Internet forum rule of thumb, never quote Wiki as a credible source.. good post though Erik_Lensherr

funny thing... it doesnt work at university either.... trust me.

1. There are not 30 native 1080p PS3 games.

2. X360 can output games at 1080p via component.

3. A lot of (well euro spec atleast) tvs do not support 1080p via component.

Most of the PS3 games that support 1080p output are upscaled as well. This includes games like MGS4, GT:HD, GT5, Ninja Gaiden, and Uncharted. Some of them, like GT5 and GTHD, upscale from a resolution that's larger than 720p but it's still nto native 1080p. Wipeout HD managed native 1080p, but it dynamically drops the resolution midrace when the framerate is going to dip.

The majority of native 1080p games are PSN or XBLA titles.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.All_that_is_Man

No you don't

Look at this way...

Native Resolution vs Upscaled Resolution vs. Antialiasing or Not.

In the end who cares what number of pixels went into it, but how good it actually looks on screen.

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"]

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.Unforgiven2870

No you don't

Also my 360 outputs 1080p via a component cable... so it's not about the cable not being HDMI.

so the PS3 has 200 games and only 30 run in 1080p

the 360 has 400 games and only 3 run in 4080p

... why are we comparing both again? no matter how you slice it this is terrible for both

so the PS3 has 200 games and only 30 run in 1080p

the 360 has 400 games and only 3 run in 4080p

... why are we comparing both again? no matter how you slice it this is terrible for both

st1ka

You do realize that the 360 originally only supported 1080i, but an update made that 1080p. And whatever Sony claims it can do with full 1080p and FSAA and all that... it can't. Neither consoles are optimized for true 1080p gaming. Next generation, sure.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

so the PS3 has 200 games and only 30 run in 1080p

the 360 has 400 games and only 3 run in 4080p

... why are we comparing both again? no matter how you slice it this is terrible for both

SemiMaster

You do realize that the 360 originally only supported 1080i, but an update made that 1080p. And whatever Sony claims it can do with full 1080p and FSAA and all that... it can't. Neither consoles are optimized for true 1080p gaming. Next generation, sure.

like i said no matter how you slice it's a terrible number for both consoles seeing as how they usualy pride themselves for being HD consoles

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

so the PS3 has 200 games and only 30 run in 1080p

the 360 has 400 games and only 3 run in 4080p

... why are we comparing both again? no matter how you slice it this is terrible for both

st1ka

You do realize that the 360 originally only supported 1080i, but an update made that 1080p. And whatever Sony claims it can do with full 1080p and FSAA and all that... it can't. Neither consoles are optimized for true 1080p gaming. Next generation, sure.

like i said no matter how you slice it's a terrible number for both consoles seeing as how they usualy pride themselves for being HD consoles

Well... 720p is technically high def, so they are actually high def, upscaled or not. But yes, you're right.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="SemiMaster"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

so the PS3 has 200 games and only 30 run in 1080p

the 360 has 400 games and only 3 run in 4080p

... why are we comparing both again? no matter how you slice it this is terrible for both

SemiMaster

You do realize that the 360 originally only supported 1080i, but an update made that 1080p. And whatever Sony claims it can do with full 1080p and FSAA and all that... it can't. Neither consoles are optimized for true 1080p gaming. Next generation, sure.

like i said no matter how you slice it's a terrible number for both consoles seeing as how they usualy pride themselves for being HD consoles

Well... 720p is technically high def, so they are actually high def, upscaled or not. But yes, you're right.

That depends on your definition of high def. Some people may only find 1080p high def and thats it.

Bullcrap:|

The 360 has more games running at 720p and upscales all games to 1080p

In the case of PS3, multiplats run at lower res or lower AA, if not both not forgetting worse framerates.

When it comes to the resolution debate. the 360 wins NO CONTEST

FirstDiscovery

hahahha really ? prove it !

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

like i said no matter how you slice it's a terrible number for both consoles seeing as how they usualy pride themselves for being HD consoles

odin2019

Well... 720p is technically high def, so they are actually high def, upscaled or not. But yes, you're right.

That depends on your definition of high def. Some people may only find 1080p high def and thats it.

Fine, but High Def begins at 720p, so as an issue of semantics it is high def. But you wanna put that "True High Definition" label that most TV companies so aggressively market, the no, true 1080p natively rendered games are few an far between on either system.

Heres a more trust worthy and reliable list which i posted earlier by Quaz from BEYOND 3D.

PLAYSTATION 3 GAMES :

Army of Two = 1280x720 (no AA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (QAA)
Battlefield: Bad Company = 1280x720 (no AA)
Beijing 2008 = 1024x768 (no AA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (QAA), 1920x1080 (QAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Conflict: Denied Ops = 1280x720 (no AA) or 960x1080
Dark Sector = 1152x640 (no AA)
Def Jam Icon (screenshot) = 1152x648 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA, temporal)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion = 1280x720 (no AA)
FaceBreaker = 1280x720 (QAA), 960x1080
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Full Auto 2 (demo) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Fracture = 1152x648 (no AA)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (no AA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1152x640 (no AA)
GT5 Prologue (demo) = 1080p mode is 1280x1080 (2xAA) in-game while the garage/pit/showrooms are 1920x1080 with no AA. 720p mode is 1280x720 (4xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1040x585 (no AA)
Guitar Hero Aerosmith = 1040x585 (no AA)
Haze (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Heavenly Sword = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Incredible Hulk = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Jericho (demo) = 996x560 (2x AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (QAA)
Kung Fu Panda = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Lair = 800x1080 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to produce 1600x1080 for further scaling
LEGO: Indiana Jones = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (temporal 2xAA)
Madden NFL '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames = 1280x720 (no AA)
Metal Gear Online (beta) = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriot = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)
MLB08: The Show = 1280x720 (2xAA) - The rendering window is adjustable down to 576p without upscaling to 720p i.e. the frame has black borders
Motorstorm = 1280x720 (2xAA)
MX vs ATV (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
NBA07 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA08 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA Live '08 = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (no AA, poor framerate)
NHL '09 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma = 1280x720 (has weird scaling to support 1080p)
Overlord = 1280x720 (no AA)
Pirates des Caraibes (screenshot) = 768x1080 (no AA)
960x720 en mode 720p
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory = 1280x720 (no AA)
Race Driver: GRID = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction = 1280x704 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
Resistance: Fall of Man = 1280x720 (QAA)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
SEGA: Rally Revo = 1280x720 (4xAA, alpha blend)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (QAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soul Calibur IV = 1280x720 (no AA), 1280x576 in 1080p mode
The Darkness (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
The Bourne Conspiracy (demo) = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Top Spin 3 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Transformers (screenshot) = 960x1080 (no AA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Viking: Battle for Asgard = 960x720 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to a 1920x720 framebuffer, which is then downscaled to 1280x720
Virtua Fighter 5 (screenshot) = 1024x1024 (no AA)
1024x768 en mode 1080p
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
WWE 08 (screenshot) = ? 640x720 ? (2x AA) - les edges ont l'aparence du 1280x720 mais d'apres certain artefact il semble que ce soit le resultat de la fusion de 2 buffers MSAA 640x720
translation StefanS: "The edges give the impression of being 1280x720p, but because of a certain artifact it seems that it is the result of the fusion of 2 MSAA buffers of resolution 640x720"
UEFA Euro 2008 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (no AA)
World Series Of Poker 2008 = 1920x1080 (2xAA)

XBOX 360 GAMES :

Alone in the Dark = 1040x600 (2xAA)
Army of Two = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Battlefield: Bad Company = 1280x720 (no AA)
Beijing 2008 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Bioshock = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) = 1040x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Conflict: Denied Ops (demo) = 1280x720p (2xAA)
Crash Time = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Dark Sector = 1280x720 (no AA)
Dead or Alive 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Dead Rising = 1280x720 ( up to 4xAA depending on frame rate)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Don King Prizefighter = 1024x630 (2xAA)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion = 1024x600 (2xAA) - Same for GOTY Edition!
F.E.A.R. = 1280x720 (2xAA)
FaceBreaker = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Fifa 2006 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Fifa 2007 (demo) = 1200x675 (no AA)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Fracture = 1280x720 (no AA)
Forza 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA in-game, 4xAA replay & vehicle select)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Guitar Hero Aerosmith = 1280x720 (no AA)
Halo 3 = 1152x640 (no AA)
Incredible Hulk = 1280x720 (full screen blur)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Kung Fu Panda = 1280x720 (no AA)
LEGO: Indiana Jones = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (up to 4x MSAA dependent on framerate)
Madden NFL '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Mass Effect = 1280x720 (2xAA sometimes?)
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames = 1280x720 (no MSAA, but depth/Z-based edge blur?)
MotoGP 2006(screenshot) = 1280x1024 (framebuffer grab from AVS Forum member)
MX vs ATV = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Live '08 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
NBA Street Home court (demo) = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
NCAA Football 08 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (4xAA, 60fps)
NHL '09 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Ninja Gaiden 2 = 1120x585 (2xAA)
Overlord = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Perfect Dark Zero (demo) = 1152x640 (no AA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Quake 4 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory = 1280x720 (2xAA + blur)
Race Driver: GRID = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ridge Racer 6 (demo) = 1440x810 (no AA)
SEGA: Rally Revo = 1280x720 (4xAA, alpha to coverage)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (2xAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (2xAA ? )
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (4xAA ?)
Soul Calibur IV = 1365x960 (no AA, software scaled to 720p)
Splinter Cell Double Agent = 1280x720 (4xAA) (developer)
The Club = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tomb Raider Legend = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 (screenshot) = 1040x585 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground = 1280x720
Top Spin 3 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
UEFA Euro 2008 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (no AA)
Virtua Fighter 5 (demo) = 1024x1024 (4xAA)
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2xAA)

Source

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

2nd and 3rd post

According to the list there are like 17 PS3 games running at TRUE1080p (NATIVE) HD resolution.

And ONLY 3 XBOX 360 GAMES :(

According to the list there are like 17 PS3 games running at TRUE1080p (NATIVE) HD resolution.

And ONLY 3 XBOX 360 GAMES :(

lesner87

There are 10 PS3 games listed as native 1080p. It's not a complete list, I think all the 1080p sports games listed for PS3 are also 1080p on the 360. I'm not aware of any multiplat game that is a higher res on the PS3 but some that are the opposite, GTAIV etc.

The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.dream431ca

Dead wrong.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]The catch is, you must own the 360 elite to put out full 1080p.munu9

That was an old thing, because the 360 did not have HDMI (now it does for all models I think), meaing you would have to get your 1080p through component cables and only a fraction of TV's can do that.

I would say the vast majority do actually. At least most if not all of them made in the last 3 years or so.