Playstation 5 Hardware Power Speculation?

My latest guess:

• 100GB quad-layer UHD Bluray Disc Drive
• 8 core zen processor @ 2.9GHZ
• 16GBS GDDR6, 2.5GBs reserved for OS
• Navi GPU, 8.5 Tflops
• 1TB HDD
• 100% BC with PS4 games
• $450, November 2020 release

A quad-layer 100GB bluray drive is absolutely required. Games have been maxing out the current dual-layered 50GB bluray discs for sometime. With the higher resolutions and larger game worlds in PS5 games this is the only way to go.

16GBSs of memory should be enough. If Sony surprises with 24GBs I would be incredibly happy but its not necessary. Games were maxing out the 5.5GBs of available memory on the PS4 from nearly day 1. They'll do the same on the PS5's 13GBs of memory. Games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are possible on just 5.5GBs of memory, developers will be able to do amazing things with 2.5x that (13.5GBs). The key is memory wasnt the PS4's bottleneck. It's CPU was. That wont be a problem anymore with AMD's 8 core zen processor

Sony will take a shortcut with the 1TB HDD to save money on production costs. If its a problem you can always upgrade it for rather cheap.

Last but not least, Im quite sure sony will want to stay away from the $500 launch price. Its cursed along with the $600 launch price. I see it dropping at $450 with Sony taking a slight loss on each unit sold due to the bom featuring more exotic hardware at the time of launch then what the PS4 had at it's launch

I do expect it to be backwards compatible with PS4 games.

I don't know what a Zen processor or a Navi GPU are.

I do expect a 1 TB hard drive.

I'm doubtful about UHD. The masses have shown that they don't give a damn about physical storage for movies. They're all on Netflix and Hulu. UHD movies would be the main draw. I do collect movies, including UHD, but I know most people don't. Games are this big now because nobody bothers compressing anymore. 50 GB is plenty for games. A select few can be on multiple discs. Nobody is complaining about Red Dead Redemption 2 being on two discs.

Sounds weak, if that's the best there is, then perhaps MS may delay a year.

8.5 TFLOPS on GPU seems a bit low consider the OneX is 6.

$ 499

12-16 GB GDDR6 + 2-4 GB DDR for OS.

32-256 GB SSD Game/OS controlled cache system + 1 TB main drive.

Next Gen Controller with more inputs/haptics/capacitive systems.

True HDMI 2.1 48 gbps = OS might support 4K@120hz for user interface. 2019 is the year of HDMI 2.1.

VRR support.

HDR10+ and/or Dolby Vision Support.

PlayStation Perks Program = incentive to leave console online at low power mode when not in use for cloud power or their own block chain tech.

Voice controlled either array-mic on console or controller.

Better VR compatibility.

Roughly equivalent to 12+ TFLOP current gen. This might be lower in figure, say 8-10, but keep in mind the possibility of a new architecture that does more per clockrate.

Special hardware for upscaling and/or a AMD form of newer hybrid rendering.

Overuse of the term "A.I." when marketed.

$ 299

PS5 games natively played at minimum of 1080p with special sauce upscaling technique so it looks closer to 1440p than 1080p. This would be their indirect answer to the hypothetical, aggressively priced Xbox Next streamer that may natively play Xbox One S games. On top and above their PSNow planned platform agnosticism.

$ 199

PS4 Pro Slim with UHD Player with Remote.

discontinued.

PS4 Pro and Slim

8.5 tflops in 2020? Lol no thanks

Minimum of 10Tflops for it to deliver a noticeable improvement in graphics over current gen hardware.

It will be a streaming machine.

The specs will be higher than that. (I guess) I think Sony learned the lessons with the Pro.

I will only accept Ryzen7 4th gen, Navi 18tflops, 4tb ssd at $450.

Also is able to install 100gb BDXL disk at around just 2 mins. Can play games no install if its under 50gb with no loss of compression or quality of course.

Sony and Microsoft are the only two that actually listen to devs and build their consoles around playing games. So I'm fine with whatever they pump out. It'll take something very dramatic to get me to switch back to PC gaming and nothing will ever make me pick Nintendo first.

With Amazon and Google entering the market... Phony will try and copy Nintendont and abandon the high budget, big dollar, home console market.....

PS Jive will be a wannabe, low power, low life, Handheld.... Bait & Switch. :P

Some of you need to temper your expectations. 18tflops and a 4TB ssd for $450? LMAO

I would literally laugh out loud if they actually named it... PS Jive. It does have a nice ring to it for a Handheld. lololol :P

I expect gimped launch consoles so they can sell you the real console a couple years into next gen...

I don't think you're far off with that, it all depends on how well they integrate the CPU and GPU into a low power APU. Not sure about the UHD Bluray player though, it's a big expense and both Sony and MS want gamers to be focusing on digital gaming and pushing gamers towards streaming, especially the younger ones and their non tech savvy parents.

At the very least it's nice to see someone being realistic in what to expect from the next set of consoles.

I would guess 3-4 years behind whatever modest PC specs are, which generally seems to be the case.

So probably the equivalent of:

a solid quad-core processor

16 GB memory

a Geforce 1070 equivalent

Again, note that I said equivalent. They will probably throw all kinds of cool, hand-wavey tech jargon at you guys to make it sound better than it is.

I wonder if they will half-assedly incorporate RTX tech as a selling point. Another question is, will they even include and optical disc slot? Seems almost pointless at this point to not download one's games, seeing as how every game I've tried to play on my PS4 requires a 40+ GB "patch". They'd need either some massive, fancy disc drive or some other form of storage (mini-ssd cartridges!?)

@TheEroica: Maintaining a console for 2 years is no small investment, so I don't think that they'll gimp it for the Pro versions.

We've heard of new Ryzens and Navi for a while now. AMD will want to make a big splash with it so I think the technology is there to provide a reasonable leap forward without needing to resort to that.

@mrbojangles25: Optical disk slot is a must. I agree that digital is taking over, but they can't jump the gun on it or else it will hurt them (like MS did with the "always online" Xbox one).

Considering it doubles as a Blu ray player which is a selling point for people, I don't think they'll change the storage method. Maybe we will see predownloading games become an option for physical users so once they have their disks, they can just insert and play?

I want to say that is weak gpu wise even though I don't expect it to be a big leap from the X. I think most likely 10tf its a good sony pr number lol. The biggest leap would be on the cpu side as hinted by both Cerny and Uncle Phil. Also just from finally AMD proper leap architecture wise. Lets hope they don't gimp them too much and they don't get stingy with memory.

12 Tflops

16GB Ram

1TB SSD

8 core Ryzen

$499

1400P(checker board to 4k) medium settings 30FPS uncomprimised :P

16GB+ RAM

16 Tflops

16 Cores

1.6TB HDD

GTX 1060 Equivalent.

$399 USD/$549CAD

@ajstyles: 16 tflop = gtx 1060 equivalent?

Yep! This is correct. You just happened to be in the wrong reality. ;)

I think they'll go above 1TB for the hard drive if game file sizes are hitting >100GB. Don't see how they could pack in and SSD, unless they're releasing it for 599 US dollars™.

Im a little skeptical of Sony and BC. If they include it, they would be sabotaging the money they could make from PS Now. If they don't, there would be public outrage possibly similar to xbox e3 2013.

This thread should be renamed, “This is what it looks like when console gamers try to talk tech specs”

This is pure comedy

600 dollars, plus integrated sensor. THE MESOPIZOT HAS SPOKEN!!!!!

@Pedro: Lol I guess. I gotta pick up one of these gtx 1060 monsters.

This sounds more logical than what I was reading from the thread creater.

8.5Tflops? Sony has gone on record saying they are shooting for a standard 4k 60fps so that statement alone would rule out only 8.5Tflops for the GPU.

I also think $499 is going to be the cost for the hardware that I have read about. A full release of a next gen system has never been half of a hundred like $449 suggests, that only comes after a price cut.

Pick one.

Highly doubt the SSD inclusions

Is BC sabotaging MS with Games Pass?

This is a confusing argument unless you do not realize that PS Now is a service with an entire catalog of games to choose from just like Games Pass?

BC is the ability to play games you've already bought contrary to services like PS Now and Games Pass that allow you to access a collection of games that you haven't purchased.

BC is for singular games and will not effect the validity of a service that is a collection of hundreds of games.

^^^ We have a winner. Console makers will continue to put out multiple SKUs to get early adopters to pay twice in a generation. Smaller upgrades in smaller update windows is what is going to happen.

I found some interesting media on the topic.

It appears Sony devs are utilizing ray-tracing into GT and the effect can be seen turned on a the 1 minute 18 second mark of the vid.

I don't know much about ray-tracing except that it requires ridiculous power to implement and even the new 2080 has issues. This should give us an idea of how powerful the PS5 will be if the devs are playing around with using ray-tracing for future games.

10Tflops is the absolute minimum that PS5 will be with a possible 15Tflop maximum. Most likely will be 12Tflops.

@boxrekt: Ray tracing, if implemented, will be a low quality version of it.

Man i will be laughing my arse off if Sony announce no BC with the PS5.

I hope it's something beefy enough to make VR justice (more than PS4/PRO did). Can easily afford it if I happen to be working so I can pay 500€+ for it easily.

So will I. I think that would be the greatest thing. They sold so much digital stuff. A lot of people will loose a ridiculous amount of games.

I thinking it will be and I'm thinking the PSVR is going to be BC for the PS5 just because it hasn't reached it's full potential yet even with the PS4 pro. So it would make sense just to continue using the same VR headset instead of release a new one, even from a profit perspective.

@npiet1: Well cows were bragging with a thread about PS Now making more money than Gamepass (cant qoute the thread as im on mobile) and cows think PS5 will be BC from the get go, but where does the money maker PS Now go???

PS...If PS5 has no BC cows will stop caring about "old" games again lol.

How is that any different from how XBox fans utterly dismissed backwards compatibility on the launch PS3? Yeah, exactly. How does that differ from you guys overnight becoming something other than a billboard for b/c when and if the PS5 does have it? Take several seats lem, you are clearly on-board your narrative but like every one that has come before it, the love affair is only skin deep. You're fooling precisely no one.

PS3 BC was terrible, especially in Australia to the point it really wasn't BC at least 360 had something good. I'm not a lem either but a beautiful manticore. I don't care who wins as long as it has good games.

CPU: 7 core/14thread ryzen based CPU around 3.5GHz. 6cores/12 threads available for games. 1 core and 2 threads reserved for the OS. 1 core redundant to improve yields. AMDs new 7nx chips have 8 cores and 16 threads per CCX as i understand it. the relatively low clock is to help with power consumption and heat. it could be more zen+ rather than zen2 based though in terms of architecture. zen2 may just be a bit too new to get it into a consoles (assuming the release is Q4 2019).

Ram: 20GB of GDDR6 memory. 16 available for games: 4 reserved for the OS. its an odd number but odd amounts of ram are not uncommon in consoles. 24Gb would be nice but the BOM has to be kept in check.

GPU: In terms of flops anything under 10 would be disappointing. at the very least its going to have some elements of navi in there at least if its not a complete navi based chip. its hard to know about the details on this at the moment though. next to nothing is known about navi. i would say there will also be a big focus on making the likes of checkerboard rendering and TAA techniques more effective along with tricks like lower resolution rendering at the edge of the screen or in dark areas of the image in certain scenarios (is that DLSS? im a bit behind on my reading).

1TB hdd as standard. SSDs still cost too much and going for a very small SSD would be pointless. it would be great if they could get a 7200RPM laptop HDD in there as standard. i dont know how 5400RPM drives are going to cope next gen. even 7200rpm ones will still be narf but just not as narf. loading times are going to be a tough challenge to manage next gen on consoles i think.

games will come on 4 layer blu-ray discs. 5X UHD blu-ray drive.

No, this is a mistake on your part but not entirely your fault.

PS3's BC was infact the best rendition of BC a console has ever had, however you simply didn't get the correct model.

You needed to get the original 60gig FAT PS3 to experience BC properly which gave 100% BC with PS1 and PS2 games. You clearly got one of the revised PS3 models that compromised the BC capability for price. It had nothing to do with where you lived, the PS3 was region unlocked.

@boxrekt: I don't see how anything in your response changes the posters point that BC was terrible in Australia or how you can twist logic to make it their fault. Simply remarkably.