Playstation only 21 million subscribers is Sony losing?

90 per cent of DLC is multiplayer focused. Yes SP dlc exists, but its very rare.

link pls

Its commonsense, it not speculation haha you guys crack me up sometimes.

whatever makes you feel better

This sounds like bullshit. Source please.

You and your links! Ok what third party studios have released SP dlc and i want a huge list!

burden of proof is on the person making the claims, im just asking for where you got your stats from

Games that are open world maybe don't have addon multiplayer content. But any game with an online experience the dlc is likely going to be multiplayer focused. Are you disputing the vast majority of games are played online?

@aigis:His ass, that's where.

I'm beginning to think you're a bit stupid? Please don't be fool. Sony said themselves they only have 21 million subs. Meaning the other 19 million PS4 users are not playing games online. You have to have a sub to play online on PS4 unless you know something i don't?

More bullshit. Source please.

Thats still not what this discussion is about... I dont know why you keep changing the subject

Ok my god i give up i am out going to play some games, my as well talk to the wall would have a better response.

lol ok see ya. Its hard to stay on topic, I know

Makes sense to me PS4 seems to appeal more to people that like single player games which it has better and more of.

I really wouldn't call it losing considering the console is outselling the comp 2:1. Half of their base still equals all of the Xbox one base.

They might be losing on actual attach rate by percentage though. With 40 mil PS4s sold their big titles should be selling 15 million+ units if they are selling comparatively to the Xbox titles.

Bottom line is Xbox owners buy the Xbox titles more but Sony still sells more overall since they have a bigger base.

Do the multiplats sell huge numbers on PS4? Be interesting to see how many Destiny or CoD players are on PS4 comparatively.

No, I remember at one E3 last gen it worked out to be about 50% gold subscribers.

it rubs the salt in its wound...it dose when it told....

lol epic xboner fail again....

sony psn has 110 million vs the what 45 million boners....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Network

you guys just ask for it don't you....

what you expect with a 40 million plus PS4 user base vs XBONE 720 pathic 15 .... and the red ring group....

sonys PSN is the envy of the modern world.....even the pc master race is stuck in the 18th centrury of steam power here and sony fan bask is the glory of the mighty PSN empire.

behold your god.

you boners need to go back to the 6 tbag talk of your fabled scorpio 4K dreamland of unicorns and and my little pony dreams of horse manure...

and now we have NOW....PS NOW....

each day the empire grows as you all desert the ship of xbox fools like rats and beg to be part of the mighty empire with it gravity ships that sail on the winds of change.

@howmakewood: and you be bone wrong....110 million PSN vs 45 boners...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Network

60? ot of 40 WoW sony its awsom (oh wait thats inposible )

Aaron Greenberg twitter 18 mill active on xbox one aone about a year ago

Because of thevdiversity of the library not everyone needs PSN+ to enjoy ps4 i personally only subscribed with psn + last February for SFV otherwise i would have never bothered doing it and i had a ps4 since early 2014.

60 total includes ps3 numbers just like the 48 million for xbox includes 360

wow you really good at making up numbers :D

Keep it up

source

I think 21 million is a massive amount and shows how gullible people really are. Sony only added a fee to cover the price for giving away free games every month. Sony doesn't focus on making great MP for their games, when one thinks of Sony one thinks of SP not MP.

I think it was smart for Sony to charge for MP this gen because Sony gamers just blamed MS for it anyway, by saying the only reason Sony did it was because MS did it first, and it reminds me of this gif.

@loe12k:

Yeah, I'm in those 21 million. I wouldn't say it measures success or fail just that most users don't want to go extra for PS Plus.

Yeah....PSN sure is great. Online paywalls are the best. I wish I could pay money to play online and use MY internet that I already pay for.

Meanwhile on Steam.... 176 million ACTIVE users (not total accounts created like your BS 110 million PSN number) and a record of over 12 million CONCURRENT users.

Last I checked, 176 million > 40 million. So much for the mighty PSN empire...

And don't make me laugh at PS Now... Paying to play old games... Backwards compatibility dude. It's great.

over half of the PS4 install base has PS Plus. sounds pretty impressive to me

I seem to remember an article going around that Sony has made more $ off PS+ than Nintendo made as a company in the last year.

So I would say they are doing pretty well.

But I do get what thread is pointing out. You do have to take into account a lot of zPS4s gamers are in other countries, possibly poor internet services come into play.

I see the mass XBox Live Gold subscriptions is getting them a hell of a lot of exclusives, too bad Sony has so few exclusive games brought on by a severe lack of PSN+ subscribers...

21 million PSN+ out of 40 million PS4.
xx million XBLG out of 20 million XB1.

Microsoft needs an attach rate of some 105% on XBLG to match Sony's PS4 total subscriptions.

Looks like there is nothing to really see in this thread.

@loe12k:

So, you say that Sony's is "losing" because they sold more PS+ memberships than M$ has sold Xbones?

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What does that say about the lower selling 18 million selling Xbone? What does it say about the Wii U? Strange choice of words with "losing".

If we are talking about "losing", then we need to see what "winning" looks like for comparison. Do you have any numbers of what you deem a winner?

There's an estimated 48 million Xbox Live users (not to be confused with GOLD), and 18 million Xbones sold. That's right, there are more Xbox Live users than there are Xbones. Hmmmm...

What do these things mean, and should people create threads about them when both my statement and yours have obvious answers?

We don't have accurate Xbox Live GOLD numbers, only Total Xbox Live users (all PR releases combine "free" and "Paid Gold" memberships) from M$. We can't actually compare paid vs. paid for a proper analysis unless both companies give us accurate numbers.

Also, for comparison, we need links to see where you got the 21 million statement because you are only counting PS+, and not all active PSN users as it was stated:

"It was also mentioned that there are around 60 million total monthly active PlayStation users..."

and

"In comparison, by Microsoft's latest count, there are 48 million "active" Xbox Live members, though this counts free and paid accounts. Microsoft has not announced how many Xbox Live Gold members it has."

Besides the speculation, no citation, and anecdotal evidence, do you have any links? I already provided a few links. That's how it's done if you want to have a real discussion instead of conjecture based on nothing.

The PS+/Xbox Live subscription user base probably fluctuates between people not renewing at all or waiting for the right time to renew.

My Subscription ended and I'm not in a hurry to renew.

Sony won the console war for this gen. Its easy to see.

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Yep. Lets see links to these numbers, otherwise it's just made up nonsense and wasting our collective time.

Maybe microsoft will try harder next gen or whatever. They fumbled pretty badly I bet half of those ps+ people were xbl users on the 360

All that link proves is that article was from 3 months ago, and it's info was based on even older data. That's what it proves.

That is as many subs as there is xboxone.

That isn't paid subs and live accounts now include PC with windows 10 along with 360.

You provide no comparison to what gold has on the xboxone has for numbers.

MS only reports live that includes PC, Xboxone, and 360 and that is at what? 48 million for just live (not gold). They haven't reported any metric for just the xboxone since when?

There's nothing to play online on ps4

Millions of PS4 owners play mmos like Final Fantasy 14 for FREE! /thread

@loe12k: Don't know and don't care. I'd let Sony and Microsoft worry about that crap. There are only a few games I play online on my PS4 anyways.

@The_Stand_In: I saw the tech the steam base has......dude 720 and 1080 mostly old tech ....moms pc in the basement.....not exactly master race is it....i was shocked when I saw how many of the mighty user base was stuck on old hardware and they buy keys that sellers with stolen credit cards sell you all.....G2A gate...lol epic man you all should rename it to "mighty mafia stolen credit card id theft 1080 race"

indie titles...lol

even the xbones can do that......

maybe you all can ask trump to make pc gaming great again....lol

@loe12k: I'm going to blow your mind here, but you don't need PS+ to download games, dlc, etc. So even people with no ps+ can still buy games, dlc for said games, buy/rent movies, etc.

I facepalmed for real with this one , lol !

Because many Playstation users arent dumb little sheep who accepeted paying to play online like it was nothing. I know I havent. Have never, ever payed for plus

Paying to play online is a scam that only MS could ever come up with and thats why they never charged for Live on PC, cause they know the PC fanbase isnt stupid either, contrary to Xbox users who ate it up like sh*t

You don't need to be a subscriber to buy games online with PSN do you?

A lot of misused numbers flying around this thread.

Sony's online isn't their biggest selling point. It's a bigger selling point though for Xbox. So in all fairness, it doesn't really mean much that Xbox has a higher online attach rate vs PS when single player games is predominantly what PS focuses on.

You don't need PSN+ to go online on PS4,what you need it for is gameplay.

Look at it this way the xbox one has 20 million sold while sony has 21 million PSN+ account..lol

There are more people playing online on PS4 and buying stuff than then complete xbox one user base..lol

Either way i don't know why you complain live on 360 was even worse as the total amount of accounts were padded by silver ones,it was about 50/50 on those who had live,and that didn't include the % of people who didn't have a silver or gold account.

But lets go back in time and see how things were and were sony is now.

Microsoft today announced that 10 million Xbox 360 units have been sold in North America alone, making it the first current-generation console to break the 10 million mark in the U.S. The number contributes to the total worldwide install base of 19 million, coupled with an Xbox Live user base of 12 million.

https://www.exophase.com/5038/microsoft-10-million-360s-sold-across-us-xbox-live-hits-12-million-subscribers/

MS on May 2008 more or less this same date,had 19 million users and 12 million live users,now from those 12 about 6 million were silver and 6 million gold and 7 million didn't even have an account silver or gold,so basically from the 19 million only 6 million were paying and 13 were.

Now the PS4 in that same time frame has more than 3 times the numbers of PSN+ subscribers and more than double the user base to.

In fact sony s making a shit ton of profits from DLC and subscriptions.

There are more PSN+ subscribers than XBone owners worldwide. Yeah, really losing there.