Please remember Sony's philosophy about games.

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#1 shungokustasu
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I think people are forgetting one of the major reasons Sony has won the past 11 years in gaming. It's philosophy on games. Quantity > Quality. What Ken K. said when ask what was the approach on a good library (PS1 era), "I rather have 100 games with only 1 that sold great, than 1 guaranteed game that sells a lot". That comment alone made me buy the PS1. You can't go wrong with that philosophy. Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality. This is the reason why innovative, odd games come out on the PS brand like; Parappa the Rappa, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, Bust-a-grove, Ape Escape, Dance Dance Rev, Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami, Katamari Damacy, and many, many more. Sony gave a gateway for odd, wired ideas for games that Nintendo and Sega neglected. They were more focus on "will this game sell" more than "let's satisfy every aspect of gaming". PS3 is shaping up to do the same thing with its library like its predecessors. Right now, PS3 has good games; R:FOM, Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, and more. People are just expecting the "great" game.
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Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami,shungokustasu

I still haven't played those yet. :(

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#3 AllFX
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You are delusional. All their best exclusives are coming out on 360 and the Wii is selling with the same kind of theory
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Wasn't their philosophy also "We don't need games to sell our system" or "we will sell 5 million PS3's without any games"
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We all know Genji and Untold Legends is pure quality. :|

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You are delusional. All their best exclusives are coming out on 360 and the Wii is selling with the same kind of theoryAllFX

Delusional? do you even know what that mean? And you totally missing the point of the thread with that 360 comment. I do agree Nintendo is getting better, but still hold strong suit to there big sellers. No where near the level of Sony. 

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We all know Genji and Untold Legends is pure quality, :|

BioShockOwnz

sigh...that wasn't the point. 

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[QUOTE="AllFX"]You are delusional. All their best exclusives are coming out on 360 and the Wii is selling with the same kind of theoryshungokustasu

Delusional? do you even know what that mean? And you totally missing the point of the thread with that 360 comment. I do agree Nintendo is getting better, but still hold strong suit to there big sellers. No where near the level of Sony. 

You mean 3 million sold compared to 7 million?

I'm sorry but I don't even see Sony's level. 

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Hey, philosophies are meant to change with the times. I remember Sony saying that they didn't want anymore 2-D games developed.
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Wasn't their philosophy also "We don't need games to sell our system" or "we will sell 5 million PS3's without any games"MCGSMB

No, those are jokes that people take seriously and cry about it later on a gaming forum. 

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[QUOTE="AllFX"]You are delusional. All their best exclusives are coming out on 360 and the Wii is selling with the same kind of theoryshungokustasu

Delusional? do you even know what that mean? And you totally missing the point of the thread with that 360 comment. I do agree Nintendo is getting better, but still hold strong suit to there big sellers. No where near the level of Sony. 

I have Sheep tendencies but I fully agree here.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

We all know Genji and Untold Legends is pure quality, :|

shungokustasu

sigh...that wasn't the point. 

Yes it was. You said Sony wants quantity over quality, but both of these games are awful.

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[QUOTE="MCGSMB"]Wasn't their philosophy also "We don't need games to sell our system" or "we will sell 5 million PS3's without any games"shungokustasu

No, those are jokes that people take seriously and cry about it later on a gaming forum. 

Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhht. Or those are statements that people hear and think must be jokes because they love their precious Sony so much. 

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Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality.shungokustasu
Was this supposed to imply that this is their strategy at launch, or throughout?

Because, quantity over quality is better than nothing, but not what I usually seek. 

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I think people are forgetting one of the major reasons Sony has won the past 11 years in gaming. It's philosophy on games. Quantity > Quality. What Ken K. said when ask what was the approach on a good library (PS1 era), "I rather have 100 games with only 1 that sold great, than 1 guaranteed game that sells a lot". That comment alone made me buy the PS1. You can't go wrong with that philosophy. Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality. This is the reason why innovative, odd games come out on the PS brand like; Parappa the Rappa, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, Bust-a-grove, Ape Escape, Dance Dance Rev, Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami, Katamari Damacy, and many, many more. Sony gave a gateway for odd, wired ideas for games that Nintendo and Sega neglected. They were more focus on "will this game sell" more than "let's satisfy every aspect of gaming". PS3 is shaping up to do the same thing with its library like its predecessors. Right now, PS3 has good games; R:FOM, Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, and more. People are just expecting the "great" game.shungokustasu

i don't know how many more games the ps2 had than the xbox and gc last generation but i believe the only reason that worked was because there was a sh*tload of consoles sold. if sony can't move the consoles i believe this strategy will fail. remember a lot of the time it's that one awesome game that people wait for before purchasing a console. i'm not saying the ps3 doesn't have that, i'm just saying that it's not a bad thing to have that 1 great game that sells a lot. quality works when there aren't many consoles sold and quantity works when there's many consoles out there.

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Hey, philosophies are meant to change with the times. I remember Sony saying that they didn't want anymore 2-D games developed.JLuke360

True, they wanted an All 3-d console. That did change. 

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You are delusional. All their best exclusives are coming out on 360 and the Wii is selling with the same kind of theoryAllFX
All? WTF happened to MGS4 then?
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality.Jandurin

Was this supposed to imply that this is their strategy at launch, or throughout?

Because, quantity over quality is better than nothing, but not what I usually seek.

throughout, definitely. That is way they have library 2x bigger than the competition, and truly only a 2 handful of great games. People focus on FFX, MGS, and GOW because it's that "great" game, but really if you ask any PS2 owner he will tell you there are othere games he enjoy that didn't sell "great".

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami,crazyjames1080

I still haven't played those yet. :(

Get to it, NOW! If you love cinematic adventures with great stories, then you shouldn't hesitate.
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]I think people are forgetting one of the major reasons Sony has won the past 11 years in gaming. It's philosophy on games. Quantity > Quality. What Ken K. said when ask what was the approach on a good library (PS1 era), "I rather have 100 games with only 1 that sold great, than 1 guaranteed game that sells a lot". That comment alone made me buy the PS1. You can't go wrong with that philosophy. Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality. This is the reason why innovative, odd games come out on the PS brand like; Parappa the Rappa, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, Bust-a-grove, Ape Escape, Dance Dance Rev, Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami, Katamari Damacy, and many, many more. Sony gave a gateway for odd, wired ideas for games that Nintendo and Sega neglected. They were more focus on "will this game sell" more than "let's satisfy every aspect of gaming". PS3 is shaping up to do the same thing with its library like its predecessors. Right now, PS3 has good games; R:FOM, Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, and more. People are just expecting the "great" game.ItalStallion777

i don't know how many more games the ps2 had than the xbox and gc last generation but i believe the only reason that worked was because there was a sh*tload of consoles sold. if sony can't move the consoles i believe this strategy will fail. remember a lot of the time it's that one awesome game that people wait for before purchasing a console. i'm not saying the ps3 doesn't have that, i'm just saying that it's not a bad thing to have that 1 great game that sells a lot. quality works when there aren't many consoles sold and quantity works when there's many consoles out there.

they sold a bunch of console because of that plan. Sure you can have Halo, Mario, or Zelda, but that doesn't move units. It's a plethora of games in your library that satisfy "everyone" gaming needs. Think about this Halo 2 sold 8 million units, but Xbox sold only 25 million units total. MGS3 sold 5 million, but PS2 sold 110+ million units total. You see a "great" title can only carry a console so far. It need support from other games to make the console sell well.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality.shungokustasu

Was this supposed to imply that this is their strategy at launch, or throughout?

Because, quantity over quality is better than nothing, but not what I usually seek.

throughout, definitely. That is way they have library 2x bigger than the competition, and truly only a 2 handful of great games. People focus on FFX, MGS, and GOW because it's that "great" game, but really if you ask any PS2 owner he will tell you there are othere games he enjoy that didn't sell "great".

Doesn't the PS3 lack any games in general right now?

I mean I went to rent some games and walked down the PS3 section and it had like a handful of games, 
then I get to the 360 section and it takes up two aisles. Not to mention that pretty much all of the PS3's 
current games suck  

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[QUOTE="crazyjames1080"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami,Chicago_Nut

I still haven't played those yet. :(

Get to it, NOW! If you love cinematic adventures with great stories, then you shouldn't hesitate.

Will do ASAP. :D

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[QUOTE="Chicago_Nut"][QUOTE="crazyjames1080"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami,crazyjames1080

I still haven't played those yet. :(

Get to it, NOW! If you love cinematic adventures with great stories, then you shouldn't hesitate.

Will do ASAP. :D

I recommend going back and picking up some classic PS1 games too if you don't have Parappa, Ape Escape, Sukioden II, Critical Depth, and Jade Cacoon.  

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I recommend going back and picking up some classic PS1 games too if you don't have Parappa, Ape Escape, Sukioden II, Critical Depth, and Jade Cacoon.  

shungokustasu

I don't have any of those either. Cheers buddy, I'll check them out. 8)

By the way, are they fully compatible with the PS2?

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I think people are forgetting one of the major reasons Sony has won the past 11 years in gaming. It's philosophy on games. Quantity > Quality. What Ken K. said when ask what was the approach on a good library (PS1 era), "I rather have 100 games with only 1 that sold great, than 1 guaranteed game that sells a lot". That comment alone made me buy the PS1. You can't go wrong with that philosophy. Why do you think PS brand usually have crappy launches? They try to bring out quantity not quality. This is the reason why innovative, odd games come out on the PS brand like; Parappa the Rappa, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, Bust-a-grove, Ape Escape, Dance Dance Rev, Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Okami, Katamari Damacy, and many, many more. Sony gave a gateway for odd, wired ideas for games that Nintendo and Sega neglected. They were more focus on "will this game sell" more than "let's satisfy every aspect of gaming". PS3 is shaping up to do the same thing with its library like its predecessors. Right now, PS3 has good games; R:FOM, Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, and more. People are just expecting the "great" game.shungokustasu

Get rid of Genji and Enchanted Arms from that list and I agree with you.

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I recommend going back and picking up some classic PS1 games too if you don't have Parappa, Ape Escape, Sukioden II, Critical Depth, and Jade Cacoon.

crazyjames1080

I don't have any of those either. Cheers buddy, I'll check them out. 8)

By the way, are they fully compatible with the PS2?

Yes, they are. 

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Yes, they are. 

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You call Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, good games?
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  Actually Sony's mantra is 'we'll release 100 crappy knockoff versions of outstanding popular games, made by whatever subpar developers will take our money and then overhype them so our blind faithful will think they are good and buy them and then hope and pray that the 3rd party devs stay exclusive'....
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You call Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, good games?Hir0_N

I think they are good. 

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Problem with that theory is that the sales of sony consoles lead to the huge amount of games that came to there consoles. The headstart both gens gave them enough cution to take advantage. the 3rd party jumped on and it was history for the competition before they even launched. however this time around thats not happening. The same 3rd parties arent making exclusives this time aroun as often. In fact many are going multiplat. the sony sales arent what they are expected to be, and thats hurting them also. Majority of the new games coming to PS3 that are anounced tend to be multiplat. THe wii is getting its own 3rd party exclusives. The 360 which is directly competing with the PS3 has got a complete advange in the library department with that killer app still to come. And u said those games need backup well Halo 3 will have that in Gears of War, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Kane and Lynch,Forza 2, Banjo 3. PGR 4, Lost Oddyssey, Fable 2, Too Human, DOA 4, Kameo, Graw 2, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, GTA 4, other multiplats. The said thing about that is even with that list 360 still wont sell as much as it deserves in Japan. which will ultimately hurt 360s chances in winning this gen.
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[QUOTE="Hir0_N"]You call Genji, Ridge Racer, Motostrom, Calling All Cars, Godfather, Virtua Fighter 5, EA sports titles, Enchanted Arms, good games?shungokustasu

I think they are good. 

:lol:

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Wow did Ken really say that... thats the most stupid thing I've ever heard... So he'd rather have 1 quality game that sold well and 99 other games that sell averagely and are not that good? Is that how he thought the PS2 sold, because the PS2 had lots of quality games.  Jesus... I could run sony PS better than he could..