Pokemon flops =(

http://ds.ign.com/articles/782/782443p2.html

8.5 @ ign... not a very good score, i was hyping this game AAA  =(

Discuss 

Pokemon and the term AAA are strangers

Because Pokemon is just that.. a great series.. not superb
Not a flop by any means + it was hyped AA

I predict an 8.1 here and I can't wait to buy it...

8.5 is a flop? Anyways, scores never mattered for Pokemon anyways.

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Riviera_Phantom

[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Zhengi

Dash Shield Dash Shield...works with Falco too. 

A) Why is 8.5 not a good score?

B) Who hyped Pokemon AAA to begin with? 

[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Zhengi

Looks like wave dashing.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.-RPGamer-

Looks like wave dashing.

The technique on the gif is actually called "wave shining".

[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Zhengi

Do yourself a favor and YouTube the "advanced ssbm" training videos. There are a lot of moves that competitive players used that the little Mario tutorial never teaches you. Honestly it's to the point where watching the best compete is boring - quick back and forth moves before it's all over in a matter of seconds.

Pokemon has always been a AA game and frankly always will be. It's not possible for it to score higher without doing something completely new - and generally when it does that it winds up backfiring.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Shadow_op

Dash Shield Dash Shield...works with Falco too.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.subrosian

Do yourself a favor and YouTube the "advanced ssbm" training videos. There are a lot of moves that competitive players used that the little Mario tutorial never teaches you. Honestly it's to the point where watching the best compete is boring - quick back and forth moves before it's all over in a matter of seconds.

Pokemon has always been a AA game and frankly always will be. It's not possible for it to score higher without doing something completely new - and generally when it does that it winds up backfiring.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Redmoonxl2

Looks like wave dashing.

The technique on the gif is actually called "wave shining".

Same difference to me.

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

-RPGamer-

Why would you hope for a game to get a worse review here? 

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.-RPGamer-

Looks like wave dashing.

The technique on the gif is actually called "wave shining".

Same difference to me.

They would be the same if every character can do it. *shrug* 

I thought only GS scores counted around here, and in any case GS have never given the Pokemon games AAA scores, so I don't see why we should expect one, irrespective of how good it is. GS scores and game quality are...well...unrelated.

Read the first or second paragraph of the review though. Every reviewer knows well enough, the score won't matter. These two games will go on to sell millions, and push DSes off the shelves, if they havne't already.

It does not matter if it gets AA or AAA, or even A, the games will sell off.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/782/782443p2.html

8.5 @ ign... not a very good score, i was hyping this game AAA  =(

 

Discuss 

big_boss4life

Yeah 8.5 is horrible.:lol:

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

Redmoonxl2

Why would you hope for a game to get a worse review here? 

B/c the series is so stuck in the past. It doesn't really deserve the scores it's been getting even with recent iterations IMHO.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/782/782443p2.html

8.5 @ ign... not a very good score, i was hyping this game AAA =(

big_boss4life

If you're going to troll you might as well come straight out with it.

*Ahem* "ROFLOLZ POKIMONS ONLY GOT 8.5!" 

DW people will buy it regardless pokemon isn't known for it's great scores but for it's cult following. 

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

-RPGamer-

Why would you hope for a game to get a worse review here?

B/c the series is so stuck in the past. It doesn't really deserve the scores it's been getting even with recent iterations IMHO.

It's an enjoyable game - ultimately what to score it is somewhat of an engima. The score needs to indicate to someone who's never played Pokemon where the game stands - well, it's a good game, it's a lot of fun, and you'll probably get addicted if it's your first time playing. On the other hand, the score should say something to the longtime gamer - someone who's played the game - and that score needs to indicate whether this is something new.

I can see GS looking negatively at how similar Pearl / Diamond are to the GBA versions - incremental improvements versus real gameplay changes. Unless they push the limits of the DS hardware, I can't see a Pokemon game scoring above AA, and that's fair. Does Pokemon really deserve the same score as a game like Gears of War, that set the graphics standard for every game to follow on the Xbox 360?

A lot of the high scoring games on the DS have paved the way for a new branch of games to open up on the system - something Pokemon is not really going to do.

Still probably a good bit of fun for fans to be had there though.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

-RPGamer-

Why would you hope for a game to get a worse review here?

B/c the series is so stuck in the past. It doesn't really deserve the scores it's been getting even with recent iterations IMHO.

I disagree. Personally the formula works and will continue to do so since I consider the battle system/collection system similar to that of a TCG. It's been already be pointed out that the story is not important since Pokemon is not a story driven franchise. It's very similar to a MMO in that the game's worth depends on how much energy you are willing to put into it.

Anyways, that's how I feel about the game. In any case, I prefer it to stay the way it is with added refinement in every addition. 

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

-RPGamer-

Why would you want any game to do bad.... Thats not being teh hardcore gamer... Its stupid.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

Redmoonxl2

Why would you hope for a game to get a worse review here?

B/c the series is so stuck in the past. It doesn't really deserve the scores it's been getting even with recent iterations IMHO.

I disagree. Personally the formula works and will continue to do so since I consider the battle system/collection system similar to that of a TCG. It's been already be pointed out that the story is not important since Pokemon is not a story driven franchise. It's very similar to a MMO in that the game's worth depends on how much energy you are willing to put into it.

Anyways, that's how I feel about the game. In any case, I prefer it to stay the way it is with added refinement in every addition. 

The formula has  been working, but it's old. I mean with that mentality we might as well not even have rtied half of the leaps in gameplay we've had in gaming. It's not like the past iterations were broken for these advancements in design, it's just that someone finally realized things can change and change for the better,

You statements remind me of a sayig, "if it's not broken don't fix it." In other words become stale, turn your back on evolution and progress. I prefer the saying, "change is good."

I never said the story needs to change, really don't care if it does. Pokemon as a whole has a ton of room for advancements in design. And these minor "refinements" don't make up for the overall lack of growth for me.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

Hockey_Slayer

Why would you want any game to do bad.... Thats not being teh hardcore gamer... Its stupid.

Expecting more si now stupid? I would rather be overly critical of the series than just accept it's lack luster progress as a series. And if that makes me not "teh hardcore", than so be it.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]TC, either you are an ******. Or have never ever seen any Pokemon reviews ever.Shadow_op

Dash Shield Dash Shield...works with Falco too.

I dont think it works with falco. Falco's reflector knocks character's up, fox's is the only one that knocks characters left to right/right to left. 

Pokemon and the term AAA are strangers

Because Pokemon is just that.. a great series.. not superb
Not a flop by any means + it was hyped AA

I predict an 8.1 here and I can't wait to buy it...

ShakeNBake1491

So RPGamer, do you believe the battle system itself derserves more change? Or even the capturing aspects of monsters? Or do you think there's more? I kind of agree in some sense if you agree to the two statements I said. Aside from just changing the graphics, I think the battle system could have more depth and perhaps even be something like say a Real time, or quasi type real time akin to FF's ATB system. I

 also think having badges that make any monster a certain level listen to you is kind of ridiculous, and IMHO I think it'd be best if you had to earn the trust of a pokemon to have it listen to you, similar to the anime series was in some way. I mean... an all powerful pokemon like Mewtwo listens to me, just cause I have a badge... :| A pokemon who was bent more on destroying mankind, because it hada problem being a cloned pokemon and it won't mind listening to a man like me cause I have a badge that says so. :|

No Pokemon game has ever been AAA so why would Diamond and Pearl be any different?hellsing321

And Blue and Red deserved it too, they only got 8.8 

The formula has been working, but it's old. I mean with that mentality we might as well not even have rtied half of the leaps in gameplay we've had in gaming. It's not like the past iterations were broken for these advancements in design, it's just that someone finally realized things can change and change for the better,

You statements remind me of a sayig, "if it's not broken don't fix it." In other words become stale, turn your back on evolution and progress. I prefer the saying, "change is good."

I never said the story needs to change, really don't care if it does. Pokemon as a whole has a ton of room for advancements in design. And these minor "refinements" don't make up for the overall lack of growth for me.

-RPGamer-

Some formulas don't need growth to still succeed as a strategic and deep game, however. Would you consider games like chess, poker, pool, Magic the Gathering and other games "stale" due to their lack of growth? These games are perfect examples of games with very little growth yet popular because their core remains solid and deep.

The fact is that the first game laid down the foundation while new installments expand the strategy. New pokemon equals new team combinations, new individual builds and makes for deeper battles. With so much effort put into the metagame of Pokemon, the game does grow after each installment. There is no need to toss out what has been working. If you want a combat system similar to Tales or Star Ocean, you've missed the point and this game is definitely not for you. 

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Good!

I personally hope it does even worse here. ;)

Redmoonxl2

Why would you hope for a game to get a worse review here?

B/c the series is so stuck in the past. It doesn't really deserve the scores it's been getting even with recent iterations IMHO.

I disagree. Personally the formula works and will continue to do so since I consider the battle system/collection system similar to that of a TCG. It's been already be pointed out that the story is not important since Pokemon is not a story driven franchise. It's very similar to a MMO in that the game's worth depends on how much energy you are willing to put into it.

Anyways, that's how I feel about the game. In any case, I prefer it to stay the way it is with added refinement in every addition.

Season 1 of the show and the early manga was great! I think there are plenty of old school fans who are itching to run into Ash, Misty, Brock, Jesse, James, Professor Oak, and Gary in the game. It might not be as story driven now, but the TV show, videogame, and card game all went hand-in-hand during the cult-hit era of Pokemon.

For the most part it's not *as* important - I was into the game before I stared watching the show - but I remember wanting to catch certain Pokemon in the game because I'd see them in the show. 

Season 1 of the show and the early manga was great! I think there are plenty of old school fans who are itching to run into Ash, Misty, Brock, Jesse, James, Professor Oak, and Gary in the game. It might not be as story driven now, but the TV show, videogame, and card game all went hand-in-hand during the cult-hit era of Pokemon.

For the most part it's not *as* important - I was into the game before I stared watching the show - but I remember wanting to catch certain Pokemon in the game because I'd see them in the show.

subrosian

I personally hated the show. After being raised on anime that I had to get on Starz, the Action Channel, Saturday Morning Sci Fi Channel and Canadian TV, Pokemon just felt tame. I'll give it it's props, however, since it help further public exposure to Anime in America.

Does it matter it's still gonna cause plastic shortages in the lsland Nation of Japan. GamerRadio

hahaha, good one. 

So RPGamer, do you believe the battle system itself derserves more change? Or even the capturing aspects of monsters? Or do you think there's more? I kind of agree in some sense if you agree to the two statements I said. Aside from just changing the graphics, I think the battle system could have more depth and perhaps even be something like say a Real time, or quasi type real time akin to FF's ATB system. I

 also think having badges that make any monster a certain level listen to you is kind of ridiculous, and IMHO I think it'd be best if you had to earn the trust of a pokemon to have it listen to you, similar to the anime series was in some way. I mean... an all powerful pokemon like Mewtwo listens to me, just cause I have a badge... :| A pokemon who was bent more on destroying mankind, because it hada problem being a cloned pokemon and it won't mind listening to a man like me cause I have a badge that says so. :|

yoshi_64

Yeah, starting with the battle system. I wouldn't mind a more action oriented (Star Ocean/Tales) representation. Imagine controlling the creatures in a 3D represented battle field, where you're flying type is soaring over some bushes where an insect type is waiting in ambush. Imagine actually controlling them, not just menu attacking with them.

As for capturing, I'm sort of ok with that, I mean the concept of throwing a ball can only be done so many ways (maybe it would be fun to throw the ball with the Wiimote though?).

I don't like the whole concept of add another 100 and it's a "new" experience, this is horribly flawed in my opinion. To add to this flaw in design the added pokemon aren't rare hard to find things in areas where people don't live... no, instead many of them are overly common pokemon living in your back yard. Further more, somehow these additional Pokemon essentially negate the existance of some of the older Pokemon. (This is not in reference to the new types they add).

As for having them listen, it should more of a relationship based thing. Also, the main character could have detailed stats on what type of trainer he/she was (kindness, strictness, leadership etc.), which could in part determine which pokemon are more likely to listen to him/her.