Pokemon is more hardcore than 99% of JRPGS out there.

Can you eat pokemon?:twisted:

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]Pokemon is more hardcore than 99% of the games today. People just don't want to realize that.LastRambo341

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="Jcgamez"]

Hardcore and Pokemon should not be in the SAME SENTENCE

Jcgamez

here we go again.

haters gonna hate i guess...sigh

grow up.

your not the first on SW to confuse hardcore with mature

Not really but it does have much more depth than people gives it credit for. Much like Smash bros.

But at the same time it is exactly like Smash bros in the sense that fans tend to overstate the depth in them. Neither Smash bros or Pokemon compares to their genres deepest and hardest games.


I really don't see the point with this thread though. When people complain about Pokemon it's about the fact that they have been new versions of the same game for the last ten games. It has nothing to do with depth.

The only other reason I could see with this thread is that someone was pissed when someone else called Pokemon a franchise aimed at kids which is actually true.

[QUOTE="Jcgamez"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

here we go again.

haters gonna hate i guess...sigh

grow up.

your not the first on SW to confuse hardcore with mature

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Jcgamez"] How am i hating? im just saying that Pokemon is one of the least hardcore games i know.KevinButlerVP

your not the first on SW to confuse hardcore with mature

well if it dose, then hes wrong, pokemon isnt more hardcore then 99% of all JRPG's,

its 99% more hardcore then most games out there, just compare pokemon online battles to GTA4, Infamous, MW2 ect.

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]Or Blissey's absolute ridiculous HP.

Lord_Omikron666

+Softboiled + Aromatherapy = :shock:

But we're not talking about the challenge of the game's basic quest. We're explicitly talking about the endgame, the competitive online battling scene. And Pokemon is one of the most hardcore around. Take for example this. There's over 4000 words there discussing the strategic possibilities of just one Pokémon. One Pokemon who's not particuarly well used or studied, just a borderline competitive guy.

And tehre are people who will spend dozens of hours carefully breeding for, raising and training one of these guys.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

your not the first on SW to confuse hardcore with mature

well if it dose, then hes wrong, pokemon isnt more hardcore then 99% of all JRPG's,

its 99% more hardcore then most games out there, just compare pokemon online battles to GTA4, Infamous, MW2 ect.

But we're not talking about the challenge of the game's basic quest. We're explicitly talking about the endgame, the competitive online battling scene. And Pokemon is one of the most hardcore around. Take for example this. There's over 4000 words there discussing the strategic possibilities of just one Pokémon. One Pokemon who's not particuarly well used or studied, just a borderline competitive guy.

And tehre are people who will spend dozens of hours carefully breeding for, raising and training one of these guys.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

your not the first on SW to confuse hardcore with mature

well if it dose, then hes wrong, pokemon isnt more hardcore then 99% of all JRPG's,

its 99% more hardcore then most games out there, just compare pokemon online battles to GTA4, Infamous, MW2 ect.

[QUOTE="Shirokishi_"]

As hardcore as it gets.

Lord_Omikron666

before they forbid the use of blissey + snorlax + mewtwo in the tournamets I used to go back in 2005, they were the terror of the battle.

And at lvl5 tournamets chansey (or the pre evolution, I don't remember correctly now) with double team + toxic + psychic + the one ability that made the opponent fall in love with leftovers as the equiped item was imposible to kill.

Put in his team a voltorb with explosion and maybe abra or the pre evo of dugtio and you had yourself a winner.

I still remember everyone crying because of my team :P

Theres hardly any tactic involved in Pokemon even though i love the games. Majority of the pokemon are elemental based, and if you are a "good" pokemon trainer, the 6 pokemons you carry during your journey are equal levels (more or less) and each have different elemental touches (fire, water, leafy pokemon etc). Every gym leader normally have strictly 1 elemental pokemon, so its not hard finding the weakspot for it i.e. fire pokemon destroys leafy pokemon, electric pokemon destroys water pokemon, and so forth.

Not denying that its a brilliant game, cuz it is, however, its certainly not casual, but certainly not hardcore, it has a good balance.

Theres hardly any tactic involved in Pokemon even though i love the games. Majority of the pokemon are elemental based, and if you are a "good" pokemon trainer, the 6 pokemons you carry during your journey are equal levels (more or less) and each have different elemental touches (fire, water, leafy pokemon etc). Every gym leader normally have strictly 1 elemental pokemon, so its not hard finding the weakspot for it i.e. fire pokemon destroys leafy pokemon, electric pokemon destroys water pokemon, and so forth.

Not denying that its a brilliant game, cuz it is, however, its certainly not casual, but certainly not hardcore, it has a good balance.

Theres hardly any tactic involved in Pokemon even though i love the games. Majority of the pokemon are elemental based, and if you are a "good" pokemon trainer, the 6 pokemons you carry during your journey are equal levels (more or less) and each have different elemental touches (fire, water, leafy pokemon etc). Every gym leader normally have strictly 1 elemental pokemon, so its not hard finding the weakspot for it i.e. fire pokemon destroys leafy pokemon, electric pokemon destroys water pokemon, and so forth.

Not denying that its a brilliant game, cuz it is, however, its certainly not casual, but certainly not hardcore, it has a good balance.

Disturbed123

Theres hardly any tactic involved in Pokemon even though i love the games. Majority of the pokemon are elemental based, and if you are a "good" pokemon trainer, the 6 pokemons you carry during your journey are equal levels (more or less) and each have different elemental touches (fire, water, leafy pokemon etc). Every gym leader normally have strictly 1 elemental pokemon, so its not hard finding the weakspot for it i.e. fire pokemon destroys leafy pokemon, electric pokemon destroys water pokemon, and so forth.

Not denying that its a brilliant game, cuz it is, however, its certainly not casual, but certainly not hardcore, it has a good balance.

Not really All Pokemon games are exactly the same and all the side stuff is rarely ever needed.

Catch a pokemon or get a starter start leveling it as you go captureing other pokemon, find out the better pokemon capture them level them, go through the storyline get to the end and its over.

the Game is not involved in that way, the only way its involved is if you go out of your way to do side missions, and poke dress up and whatever else there is,
the core formula of pokemon though hasn't changed much though since red and blue.

Theres hardly any tactic involved in Pokemon even though i love the games. Majority of the pokemon are elemental based, and if you are a "good" pokemon trainer, the 6 pokemons you carry during your journey are equal levels (more or less) and each have different elemental touches (fire, water, leafy pokemon etc). Every gym leader normally have strictly 1 elemental pokemon, so its not hard finding the weakspot for it i.e. fire pokemon destroys leafy pokemon, electric pokemon destroys water pokemon, and so forth.

Not denying that its a brilliant game, cuz it is, however, its certainly not casual, but certainly not hardcore, it has a good balance.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]Pokemon is more hardcore than 99% of the games today. People just don't want to realize that.nintendo-4life

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] What the hell does hardcore mean?Arach666

As hardcore as it gets.

Shirokishi_

the face of Pokemon is 'awww cute monster game for kids' the hardcore element however is far different. there are people FFS who breed pokemon over and over again just to get the right IV stats. its crazy. throw in EV leveling etc and its hardcore.

It is one of the few JRPGs that even has a multiplayer component to it. In terms of character depth, plot, and variety from game to game and from area to area, the series is very behind compared to other JRPG's.

In any case, turn-based PvP stinks when it comes to strategy. I'd much rather play an RTS because the battles are far more dynamic and have more depth than Pokemon. Like Super Smash Bros. Brawl tournament people, Pokemon fans overestimate how competitive the game really is. Hell, a lot of the Pokemon can be interchanged, seeing as they contain more or less the same abilities, the only difference being an aesthetic change.

It is one of the few JRPGs that even has a multiplayer component to it. In terms of character depth, plot, and variety from game to game and from area to area, the series is very behind compared to other JRPG's.

In any case, turn-based PvP stinks when it comes to strategy. I'd much rather play an RTS because the battles are far more dynamic and have more depth than Pokemon. Like Super Smash Bros. Brawl tournament people, Pokemon fans overestimate how competitive the game really is. Hell, a lot of the Pokemon can be interchanged, seeing as they contain more or less the same abilities, the only difference being an aesthetic change.

Sky-

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

It is one of the few JRPGs that even has a multiplayer component to it. In terms of character depth, plot, and variety from game to game and from area to area, the series is very behind compared to other JRPG's.

In any case, turn-based PvP stinks when it comes to strategy. I'd much rather play an RTS because the battles are far more dynamic and have more depth than Pokemon. Like Super Smash Bros. Brawl tournament people, Pokemon fans overestimate how competitive the game really is. Hell, a lot of the Pokemon can be interchanged, seeing as they contain more or less the same abilities, the only difference being an aesthetic change.

nintendo-4life

Do you like mudkips?raskullibur

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Sky-"]

It is one of the few JRPGs that even has a multiplayer component to it. In terms of character depth, plot, and variety from game to game and from area to area, the series is very behind compared to other JRPG's.

In any case, turn-based PvP stinks when it comes to strategy. I'd much rather play an RTS because the battles are far more dynamic and have more depth than Pokemon. Like Super Smash Bros. Brawl tournament people, Pokemon fans overestimate how competitive the game really is. Hell, a lot of the Pokemon can be interchanged, seeing as they contain more or less the same abilities, the only difference being an aesthetic change.

WAIW

any game can be "hardcore" when the best players learn to manipulate the in-game stats/mechanics and compete against eachother. pokemon is incredibly deep for a "kiddy game" and has a strong community behind it.

[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] That's because JRPGs for the last two gens are extremely shallow, especially compared to pokemon. nintendo-4life

Not really All Pokemon games are exactly the same and all the side stuff is rarely ever needed.

Catch a pokemon or get a starter start leveling it as you go captureing other pokemon, find out the better pokemon capture them level them, go through the storyline get to the end and its over.

the Game is not involved in that way, the only way its involved is if you go out of your way to do side missions, and poke dress up and whatever else there is,
the core formula of pokemon though hasn't changed much though since red and blue.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Not really All Pokemon games are exactly the same and all the side stuff is rarely ever needed.

Catch a pokemon or get a starter start leveling it as you go captureing other pokemon, find out the better pokemon capture them level them, go through the storyline get to the end and its over.

the Game is not involved in that way, the only way its involved is if you go out of your way to do side missions, and poke dress up and whatever else there is,
the core formula of pokemon though hasn't changed much though since red and blue.

yoshi_64

I've always wondered; how is EV training considered "deep?" I't looks like if you know what Pokemon to attack, you're set -- just get into boring batttles for hours and you've got a great Pokemon.

[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] LOL, ok, what JRPGs are deeper than Pokemon? And no, for the record, I'm personally not counting SRPGs as I put them in different categories.farnham

Theres hardly any tactic involved in Pokemon even though i love the games. Majority of the pokemon are elemental based, and if you are a "good" pokemon trainer, the 6 pokemons you carry during your journey are equal levels (more or less) and each have different elemental touches (fire, water, leafy pokemon etc). Every gym leader normally have strictly 1 elemental pokemon, so its not hard finding the weakspot for it i.e. fire pokemon destroys leafy pokemon, electric pokemon destroys water pokemon, and so forth.

Not denying that its a brilliant game, cuz it is, however, its certainly not casual, but certainly not hardcore, it has a good balance.

Disturbed123

[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="farnham"] etrian odyssey and strange journey are dungeon crawlers.. they are challenging but the base gameplay is very basic.. in pokemon you have 500 different types of enemies/partymembers that have different values, types, stats etc.farnham

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Not really All Pokemon games are exactly the same and all the side stuff is rarely ever needed.

Catch a pokemon or get a starter start leveling it as you go captureing other pokemon, find out the better pokemon capture them level them, go through the storyline get to the end and its over.

the Game is not involved in that way, the only way its involved is if you go out of your way to do side missions, and poke dress up and whatever else there is,
the core formula of pokemon though hasn't changed much though since red and blue.

WAIW

I've always wondered; how is EV training considered "deep?" I't looks like if you know what Pokemon to attack, you're set -- just get into boring batttles for hours and you've got a great Pokemon.

Not really All Pokemon games are exactly the same and all the side stuff is rarely ever needed.

Catch a pokemon or get a starter start leveling it as you go captureing other pokemon, find out the better pokemon capture them level them, go through the storyline get to the end and its over.

the Game is not involved in that way, the only way its involved is if you go out of your way to do side missions, and poke dress up and whatever else there is,
the core formula of pokemon though hasn't changed much though since red and blue.

WilliamRLBaker

Actually the core formula, ie the battling, has greatly upgraded since Red and Blue. Admittedly, the single player campaign is essentially the same, but for those who actually do competitive battling, the game is much different from earlier versions.

I don't play competitively. But, yeah, Pokemon is very hardcore.

[QUOTE="Shirokishi_"]

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]Dude, you don't mess with a good Blissey... Those things are dangerous.

DarkLink77

As deadly as a metapod Im sure.

Only if that Metapod has Harden. ;)

Don´t really like pokémon but I find these pokémon related comics very amusing

...and this

:P