Hard copy all the way, to many things can go wrong if something happens to the device your DD is on.
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Hard copy all the way, to many things can go wrong if something happens to the device your DD is on.
Too many things can go wrong if your hard copy disc breaks, and these can occur with the computer off, unlike hard drives. And they're harder to back up because of their copy protection.Hard copy all the way, to many things can go wrong if something happens to the device your DD is on.
Ballroompirate
There's no such thing as a "hard copy". The data on a physical disc is no more "owned" or "yours" than that of a digital download. Simply read the license agreement for any "physical" videogame, and you'll be surprised to find that point stated quite clearly. I believe digital content to be the future, starting with smaller transactions, then expansions, and finally, within a few generations, the games themselves. - It is one of the only effective tools for reducing piracy, reducing the drag of the used games market, and allowing independent developers a competitive distribution channel. As such, I imagine the opposition to DD will be vocal, but largely fruitless.subrosianI'm sorry but that's a pretty ridiculous comment to make. If I buy a game, it's mine. I can do whatever I want with it. It is very much 'owned' and 'mine,' irregardless of any documentation that comes with the game that says otherwise.
Hard copy all the way, to many things can go wrong if something happens to the device your DD is on.
Too many things can go wrong if your hard copy disc breaks, and these can occur with the computer off, unlike hard drives. And they're harder to back up because of their copy protection. This is my only problem with physical media. A couple of my Metallica CDs are unplayable because of scratching, and I can't go into the Call of Duty 4 campaign on my 360 without the system freezing up on the first cut scene due to some pretty minor looking physical damage. I mostly take good care of my stuff though, so this isn't too big a problem for me - but I can imagine it's a serious issue for others.[QUOTE="clyde46"]I'm not familiar with the issue. What exactly is the problem? the weekend steam had free unreal tournament 3, it was really slow so people couldn't download it. i was disappointed. i downloaded it on saturday night but it wasn't free so i couldn't play it. i don't really care about it. i do have steam play it about every week. i like it either way.hard copy all the time, Steam's current server issues with the free UT3 weekend is one of the reasons why I hate DD.
creeping-deth87
but you could just as easy say, what happens if you scratch/snap/loose your hard copy.When your hard drive fail and you have no more Downloands left ( if any at all) good luck with DD!
CubanBlunt
Hard copy. Why?
I felt terribly uncomfortable if i can't see the proof of my purchase in physical form.
Hard copy
Pros:
Cons:
DD
Pros: you won't experience hard copy's cons
Cons:
IMO of course
Both Live Marketplace and Steam allow unlimited free downloads of any games purchased with the appropriate account. Both understand the occasional FUBAR as well as the desire to "spring clean" unplayed games...which may draw interest again at a later date.Cons:
- purchased game has download limit (ps3, not sure for 360)
Everiez
Digital Distribution 1) If my HDD crashes, I can just re-download it for free. If my disc breaks or gets scratched, I have to buy a new copy. 2) It cost less Every digitally purchased game that I own (PC or console) is locked to your ID, not your machine. I don't know where people are coming up with this, "If I buy a new system, I can't install it again" nonsense. The worst I've seen is Spore, which gives you like 3 installs at once. Not 3 total, just you can only have installed on machines at any one time. If you want more, you'd have to uninstall it from one. I don't know anybody with 3 gaming PCs so it really doesn't effect like 99.99999% of people who own the game. I never sell my games, so I don't care about reselling them. I don't buy used games, so it doesn't affect me there either.Senor_KamiTo be fair, some people forget to uninstall when they reformat systems, meaning that install is not recoverable (I have to be careful with my iTunes and Sony Reader registrations for the same reason).
My first game was Table Tennis. Does that answer your question? ;)[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]
Were you ever a gamer to begin with, though? All that would change is the medium through which you would get your games.
Hexagon_777
Table Tennis? Do you mean Pong? :?
No, I mean Table Tennis. It was a game were you put a static plastic sheet on the T.V. Screen with a line down the center and you had a paddle with a knob on it that you turned to make your block move up and down the screen to hit the ball. I don't remember much more than that because I was so young when I played this.[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]
[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]My first game was Table Tennis. Does that answer your question? ;)
TheGreatOutdoor
Table Tennis? Do you mean Pong? :?
No, I mean Table Tennis. It was a game were you put a static plastic sheet on the T.V. Screen with a line down the center and you had a paddle with a knob on it that you turned to make your block move up and down the screen to hit the ball. I don't remember much more than that because I was so young when I played this.Sounds like the Magnavox Odyssey. That ring any bells? His claim is legit if so; the Odyssey was the world's first home gaming console.And Leejjohno, physical copies are supposedly only "licensed" as well.
Every now and again I'll purchase somethign digitally but that tends to only be for long out of print titles or something deeply discounted.
1. Why do digitally distributed games cost the same as a hard copy?
2. Until it is realistic and financially reasonable for me to have a multi terabyte system, I wouldn't be able to store all the games I own.
3. Ten years from now will my hard drive still function in order to play the games I bought? Will the site I bought them from still allow me to download them free of charge? Will the site even still exist?
The only thing I need to worry about with a physical copy is whether or not I accidentally scratch it, which has never been an issue for me.
They usually aren't. Most of the time they're significantly cheaper. Exceptions may occur such as at initial release, but you'll usually save on the sales tax and the gas you don't need to use to drive to the store.Every now and again I'll purchase somethign digitally but that tends to only be for long out of print titles or something deeply discounted.
1. Why do digitally distributed games cost the same as a hard copy?
Velric
Check Walmart. 1TB externals go for around $120 these days, and you expect the price to just keep going down.2. Until it is realistic and financially reasonable for me to have a multi terabyte system, I wouldn't be able to store all the games I own.
Velric
One word: backups. And Steam allows unlimited redownloads. As for the company not existing, should that happen, they can release unlocking patches for the games.3. Ten years from now will my hard drive still function in order to play the games I bought? Will the site I bought them from still allow me to download them free of charge? Will the site even still exist?
The only thing I need to worry about with a physical copy is whether or not I accidentally scratch it, which has never been an issue for me.
Velric
Here's the bugaboo about physical copies. Once that copy is damaged, how are you going to recover the disc? Most game sales are an "all sales final" proposition because of the piracy problem. Speaking of which, those discs (which are usually copy-protected) are gonna be pretty tricky to back up.
Hard Copy because I like holding the cases, reading the Manual, and ripping ope the wrapping that is on the cases. I can't get that with Digital Distribution.
DD
Having all your games in only one little box just completely owns :D. Especially when you want to play those games at a friend's house; dont take your discs, just snap off the HDD from your console and you're good to go!
No, I mean Table Tennis. It was a game were you put a static plastic sheet on the T.V. Screen with a line down the center and you had a paddle with a knob on it that you turned to make your block move up and down the screen to hit the ball. I don't remember much more than that because I was so young when I played this.Sounds like the Magnavox Odyssey. That ring any bells? His claim is legit if so; the Odyssey was the world's first home gaming console.[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]
Table Tennis? Do you mean Pong? :?
HuusAsking
And Leejjohno, physical copies are supposedly only "licensed" as well.
Yes that's the name of the console I am thinking of.Thanks
There's no way in hell DD is going to take over next gen. There are too many people without a good internet connection to download the games. Games wouldn't sell nearly as much as they would with hard copies.I think we all better get used to digital distribution. When you look at games like Warhawk, SOCOM Confrontation and GT 5 Prologue on PS3 and the Lost and DamnedDLC for GTA 4 on 360 which by the way is no mere addon, it is for all practical purposes a full game plusXBOX Classics like Fable, Halo CE and Jade Empire which are downloadable from XBL pluswhat is available through Steam on PC, I think DD is going to replace hard copy games for sure by next gen.NemeSyS-1
There's no way in hell DD is going to take over next gen. There are too many people without a good internet connection to download the games. Games wouldn't sell nearly as much as they would with hard copies.[QUOTE="NemeSyS-1"]
I think we all better get used to digital distribution. When you look at games like Warhawk, SOCOM Confrontation and GT 5 Prologue on PS3 and the Lost and DamnedDLC for GTA 4 on 360 which by the way is no mere addon, it is for all practical purposes a full game plusXBOX Classics like Fable, Halo CE and Jade Empire which are downloadable from XBL pluswhat is available through Steam on PC, I think DD is going to replace hard copy games for sure by next gen.BuryMe
Digital distribution has already begun to manifest itself on consoles this generation. Next generation, it shall have an even greater presence and the generation after...
There's no way in hell DD is going to take over next gen. There are too many people without a good internet connection to download the games. Games wouldn't sell nearly as much as they would with hard copies.Digital distribution has already begun to manifest itself on consoles this generation. Next generation, it shall have an even greater presence and the generation after...I know it will have a greater presence next gen...[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
[QUOTE="NemeSyS-1"]
I think we all better get used to digital distribution. When you look at games like Warhawk, SOCOM Confrontation and GT 5 Prologue on PS3 and the Lost and DamnedDLC for GTA 4 on 360 which by the way is no mere addon, it is for all practical purposes a full game plusXBOX Classics like Fable, Halo CE and Jade Empire which are downloadable from XBL pluswhat is available through Steam on PC, I think DD is going to replace hard copy games for sure by next gen.Hexagon_777
I simply said digital distribution will not be the primary method for buying games last gen. DD will not replace hard copies as early as next gen
Digital distribution has already begun to manifest itself on consoles this generation. Next generation, it shall have an even greater presence and the generation after...I know it will have a greater presence next gen...[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]There's no way in hell DD is going to take over next gen. There are too many people without a good internet connection to download the games. Games wouldn't sell nearly as much as they would with hard copies.
BuryMe
I simply said digital distribution will not be the primary method for buying games last gen. DD will not replace hard copies as early as next gen
I wasn't arguing against that...
System Warriors have become paranoid. :P
Retail Copy, no need to eat up my limited bandwidth, or worry about steam's servers ever shutting down and I not being able to know if I'll be able to play the game I bought, looking at the way consumer rights are going. I also get the advantage of having my own physical copy and that can't be beat, plus prices are lower and I get a box for bragging rights. It's Win/Win.
I don't even have to drive to a major retailer to get my retail hard copy, I just buy from newegg and most of time they have free shipping. Sorry no contest.
Retail Copy, no need to eat up my limited bandwidth, or worry about steam's servers ever shutting down looking at the way consumer rights are going not knowing if I'll be able to play the game i bought. I also get the advantage of having my own physical copy and that can't be beat, plus prices are lower and I get a box for bragging rights. It's Win/Win.
(Pictures of Ownage)
I don't even have to drive to a major retailer to get my retail hard copy, I just buy from newegg and most of time they have free shipping. Sorry no contest.
nintendog66
Seems like Steam not only rips off Europeans, but Americans too!
[QUOTE="nintendog66"]
Retail Copy, no need to eat up my limited bandwidth, or worry about steam's servers ever shutting down looking at the way consumer rights are going not knowing if I'll be able to play the game i bought. I also get the advantage of having my own physical copy and that can't be beat, plus prices are lower and I get a box for bragging rights. It's Win/Win.
(Pictures of Ownage)
I don't even have to drive to a major retailer to get my retail hard copy, I just buy from newegg and most of time they have free shipping. Sorry no contest.
Hexagon_777
Seems like Steam not only rips off Europeans, but Americans too!
Perhaps, but unless you're on the west coast (Newegg runs out of California), you're in for a wait. Whereas most Steam purchases can be achieved overnight or over a work shift with a decent connection (which isn't being used anyway if you're asleep or at work). Plus it's gonna be hard to beat for new releases, where the prices usually match or beat the retail preorders and usually feature predownloading.such that it activates on the official date (and AFAIK, Newegg doesn't assure free shipping on preorders).Free shipping as well. :DMind you, it's UPS ground shipping. Expect a few days wait if you live in the east.[QUOTE="nintendog66"]
Like... Seriesly?Stevo_the_gamer
Free shipping as well. :DMind you, it's UPS ground shipping. Expect a few days wait if you live in the east.Meh, I'm a conservative -- not some liberal who wants instant gratification; I can wait a few days so long as I save some money. It adds up after awhile.[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]
[QUOTE="nintendog66"]
Like... Seriesly?HuusAsking
Then there's the issue of what happens when physical discs get damaged. The discs themselves can't be backed up because they're frequently copy-protected, and most installations don't transport, making backups difficult. If the disc gets marred, how are you going to go about getting a new disc wihtout having to shell out full price for a new copy?
So long as you don't play frisbee with yours disks, and actually use "common sense" and put your disks back in their game cases -- there's no reason for your disks to get damaged.Then there's the issue of what happens when physical discs get damaged. The discs themselves can't be backed up because they're frequently copy-protected, and most installations don't transport, making backups difficult. If the disc gets marred, how are you going to go about getting a new disc wihtout having to shell out full price for a new copy?
HuusAsking
No, I mean Table Tennis. It was a game were you put a static plastic sheet on the T.V. Screen with a line down the center and you had a paddle with a knob on it that you turned to make your block move up and down the screen to hit the ball. I don't remember much more than that because I was so young when I played this.Sounds like the Magnavox Odyssey. That ring any bells? His claim is legit if so; the Odyssey was the world's first home gaming console.[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]
Table Tennis? Do you mean Pong? :?
HuusAsking
And Leejjohno, physical copies are supposedly only "licensed" as well.
That may be if we get technical. But the way I see it there is no way they can stop me breaking the disc in half, lending it to a friend, or selling it on. No matter what legalities they put in the playing manual, the police will never enforce them anyway unless you all out copy and distribute hundreds of copies for profit.
Once it is in my possession, the physical disk is mine. If somebody steals it from me, I can say that it is mine when I report it stolen.
What is on the disk is licensed, however.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So long as you don't play frisbee with yours disks, and actually use "common sense" and put your disks back in their game cases -- there's no reason for your disks to get damaged.You've never had Murphy strike, have you? A DVD drive can go bad with your disc in it, creating gashes. A nosy kid or relative gets into your collection and turns it into said frisbee. The dog somehow gets a hold of it. Or you could've just inadvertently knocked it over, causing the case to fly open, the disc to fall out, and you to step on it. What recourse do you have if your physical copy is broken? At least, if my computer (or 360) gets hosed, any copy legitimately purchased can be redownloaded at no charge. Plus Valve is setting up insurance in case something permanent should happen to Steam (so as to put the problem of service termination to rest).Then there's the issue of what happens when physical discs get damaged. The discs themselves can't be backed up because they're frequently copy-protected, and most installations don't transport, making backups difficult. If the disc gets marred, how are you going to go about getting a new disc wihtout having to shell out full price for a new copy?
Stevo_the_gamer
Not true. I push one button and all of my content downloads again from STEAM. Meanwhile, if your disk gets scratched, you're crap out of luck. With the DRM on discs, there are no legal methods of restoring the content you own when disc-doctor can't fix the scratch.When your hard drive fail and you have no more Downloands left ( if any at all) good luck with DD!
CubanBlunt
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Neither DRM nor so-called "hard" copies are ideal, but it's worth noting that there are a host of licensing and legal issues that have really stripped ownership rights from people buying CD, DVDs and video games. The pirates have made it so that someone who genuinely owns a gameno longer owns it if they lose the key-code, scratch the disc, etc...
I wont vote because it depends of which games you're talking about. With Warhawk and Socom it's better to buy disc so you can move it around to any system in your house because you can only DL the digital game to 1 PS3. With games that don't come on disc also it's better to buy from PSN because you can DL them to 5 PS3s and this way you can have the game on each system in the house for 1 price.
Not true. I push one button and all of my content downloads again from STEAM. Meanwhile, if your disk gets scratched, you're crap out of luck. With the DRM on discs, there are no legal methods of restoring the content you own when disc-doctor can't fix the scratch.[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]
When your hard drive fail and you have no more Downloands left ( if any at all) good luck with DD!
subrosian
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Neither DRM nor so-called "hard" copies are ideal, but it's worth noting that there are a host of licensing and legal issues that have really stripped ownership rights from people buying CD, DVDs and video games. The pirates have made it so that someone who genuinely owns a gameno longer owns it if they lose the key-code, scratch the disc, etc...
Unless you buy games on disc with PS3 which uses unscratchable Bluray discs then you can't ruin your discs.
Not true. I push one button and all of my content downloads again from STEAM. Meanwhile, if your disk gets scratched, you're crap out of luck. With the DRM on discs, there are no legal methods of restoring the content you own when disc-doctor can't fix the scratch.[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]
When your hard drive fail and you have no more Downloands left ( if any at all) good luck with DD!
subrosian
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Neither DRM nor so-called "hard" copies are ideal, but it's worth noting that there are a host of licensing and legal issues that have really stripped ownership rights from people buying CD, DVDs and video games. The pirates have made it so that someone who genuinely owns a gameno longer owns it if they lose the key-code, scratch the disc, etc...
As far as publishers put it in in legal terms, you buy a license to own and play the game, you don't buy the game itself. Therefore I'm entitled to play the game from whichever method I please, preferably from installing the game with the included disk. AFAIK, I should be able to download the game from a torrent and still play it legally, because I have said license to play the game, now distributing the game to others would be illegal but that's another case.Please Log In to post.
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