[POLL] Do you think RARE is a mediocre developer?

Scores from ALL RARE games from the SNES to the xbox 360 (using game rankings)

16- bit era:

Battle toads (SNES) : 78%

Battle toads (gen) : 72%

Battletoads and double dragon: (snes) : 59%

Battletoads and double dragon (gen): 65%

Battle toads (GB) : 77.7%

Battle toads and double dragon (GB): 65%

Battletoads in ragnarock's world (GB) : 75%

Donkey kong land (GB) : 71%

Donkey Kong land 2 (gb) : 79%

Donkey kong land 3 ( 82%)

Killer instinct (GB) :25%

Killer instinct (SNES): (80%)

The amazing spider-man (73%)

Beetlejuice (GB): 55%

Fortress of fear (GB): 20%

Sneaky snakes (GB) 53%

Championship-pro-am (Gen): 80%

Donkey kong country (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong country 2 (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong countru 3 (snes): 85%

Average score: 69%

N64 era:

Perfect Dark (N 64): 95%

Perfect Dark (GBC): 66%

Donkey kong country (GBC): 90%

Conker's pocket tales (GBC): 55%

mickey's speedway USA (GBC): 81%

Mickey's speedway USA (N64): 68%

Donkey Kong 64 (N64): 88%

Banjo-Kazooeie (N64): 92%

Banjo-Tooie (N64): 90%

Blast corps (N64): 89%

Conker's bad fur day (N64): 89%

Diddy Kong Racing (N64): 89%

Golden eye 007 (N64): 95%

Jet Force Gemini (N54): 80%

Killer Instinct Gold (N64): 74%

Total average score: 82.7%

Gamecube-Xbox era:

Starfox Adventures (GC) : 80%

Banjo Pilot (GBA): 66%

Banjo Kazooeie: Grunty's revenge (GBA): 73%

SabreWulf (GBA): 74%

Donkey Kong Contry (GBA): 78%

It''s Mr. Pants (GBA): 76%

Donkey Kong country 2 (GBA): 81%

Donkey Kong Country 3 (GBA): 75.1%

Conker: Live and Reloaded (xbox): 79%

Grabbed by the Ghoulies (xbox) 70%

total Score: 75.2

Current Gen

Perfect Dark Zero (xbox 360): 81%

Viva Pinata (X360): 85%

viva Pinata 2 (X360): 83%

Viva pinata (PC): 79%

Viva Pinata (DS): 83%

Jet Pac: Refueled: (X360): 73%

Kameo (X360): 81%

Banjo 3: 78%

Average Score: 80.4%

Final Score:

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

So in Conclusion:

The top Rated time area for RARE was the N64 era where they scored an average of 82.7%, Followed by the current RARE which scored an average of 80.7%. In third place we have last-gen RARE with a score of 7.5 and finally we have the 16 bit gen rare with a score of 69%

There is only a 2 % difference between the top 2 RAREs so can we please stop saying that RARE Sucks? a score of 80% is considered "great" by any standards

Finally i would like to point out that games which had no scores on gamerankings were not taken in to account, this includes mostly gameboy games from the 16 bit gen and gameboy colour games from the N64 era

well by looking at the scores I'd say they're still as strong as ever

Rare should'v never left nintendo, their games are completely out of place in the MS demographic and it shows in sales. This also led to many talent leaving the company and its reputation and recognition droped badlyFawlcon_Pawnch

huh according to wikipedia the only people that left RARE did so during the N64 era, the only exception were it's founder's (Chris and Tim Stamper AKA the stamper brothers) who did so in 2007 although personally i don't know if they still worked on the games themselves, everyone else left during the N64 era, so i guess this means RARE was out of place with nintendo as well?

huh according to wikipedia the only people that left RARE did so during the N64 era, the only exception were it's founder's (Chris and Tim Stamper AKA the stamper brothers) who did so in 2007 although personally i don't know if they still worked on the games themselves, everyone else left during the N64 era, so i guess this means RARE was out of place with nintendo as well?

st1ka

Many more left since. The whole Rare story is a bit iffy but the fact remains that Xbox's main demographic doesnt want what Rare is best at. MS doesnt treat them as they should and they are left making a few games from time to time and making Avatars >___>

PS: what the hell happened to my previous post?

Many more left since.

Fawlcon_Pawnch

link?

The whole Rare story is a bit iffy but the fact remains that Xbox's main demographic doesnt want what Rare is best atFawlcon_Pawnch

true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any means

MS doesnt treat them as they should and they are left making a few games from time to time

Fawlcon_Pawnch

link? RARE has said before that they are happy with the freedom microsoft gives them

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Many more left since.

st1ka

link?

The whole Rare story is a bit iffy but the fact remains that Xbox's main demographic doesnt want what Rare is best atFawlcon_Pawnch

true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any means

MS doesnt treat them as they should and they are left making a few games from time to time

Fawlcon_Pawnch

link? RARE has said before that they are happy with the freedom microsoft gives them

well you don't really expect them to say something bad about microsoft right? :P

you don't really do that to the one in charge.

well you don't really expect them to say something bad about microsoft right? :P

you don't really do that to the one in charge.

Cyberfairy

true, but then again i was mostly interested in the "many more people have left since" part

link?st1ka

I read it on another forum a long time ago, after the Stamper Brothers went away many of the N64 era emploees started to leave. I dont have the link but if you manage to find their current staff, many people working there are post-N64.

I'm going to try to search it...

true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any meansst1ka

Not bad, but even Rare expressed that they dont like how Microsoft doesnt promote their games

link? RARE has said before that they are happy with the freedom microsoft gives them

st1ka

Well they work for them dont they? Still that didnt prevent them to say they dont help promoting their games that well and if Rare was doing so well they wouldnt be allowed to make games for the GBA and DS

[QUOTE="st1ka"] true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any meansFawlcon_Pawnch

Not bad, but even Rare expressed that they dont like how Microsoft doesnt promote their games

Yeah i remember that and i agree with them

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

link? RARE has said before that they are happy with the freedom microsoft gives them

Fawlcon_Pawnch

Well they work for them dont they? Still that didnt prevent them to say they dont help promoting their games that well and if Rare was doing so well they wouldnt be allowed to make games for the GBA and DS

Or maybe it's part of the freedom that RARE says they're happy with? i mean as long as they don't stick to handhelds when it comes to the competition i don't think Microsoft has any problems with it

Or maybe it's part of the freedom that RARE says they're happy with? i mean as long as they don't stick to handhelds when it comes to the competition i don't think Microsoft has any problems with it

st1ka

Dont get me wrong, i'm happy they are making handheld games, but i honestly think that it was more the case of Rare pushing MS to let them do it then MS giving them total freedom out of kindness.

[QUOTE="st1ka"] true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any meansFawlcon_Pawnch

Not bad, but even Rare expressed that they dont like how Microsoft doesnt promote their games

You mean how they don't? :P

I never thought Rare went mediocre at any point. I lves Rare

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

Or maybe it's part of the freedom that RARE says they're happy with? i mean as long as they don't stick to handhelds when it comes to the competition i don't think Microsoft has any problems with it

Fawlcon_Pawnch

Dont get me wrong, i'm happy they are making handheld games, but i honestly think that it was more the case of Rare pushing MS to let them do it then MS giving them total freedom out of kindness.

true, you have a point

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="st1ka"] true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any meansxSuperBlobx

Not bad, but even Rare expressed that they dont like how Microsoft doesnt promote their games

You mean how they don't? :P

I never thought Rare went mediocre at any point. I lves Rare

Sorry, English isnt my main language, and i'm not that careful when i'm making quick posts around here XD

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="st1ka"] true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any meansxSuperBlobx

Not bad, but even Rare expressed that they dont like how Microsoft doesnt promote their games

You mean how they don't? :P

I never thought Rare went mediocre at any point. I lves Rare

Huh?

His grammar was fine :?

Above average, but I doubt the New Banjo game will be any good

why are you counting jet pack refualed? it wasn't created by themtomertr

jet pac belongs to RARE, and according to gamespot Refueled was developed by them

They've been messing up for the past few years. Their last "great" game was PDZ, almost three years ago. Viva Pinata was a waste of developtment time, time which could have been spent on something better, something that fans actually wanted. Perfect Dark sequel, Killer Instinct remake, whatever. And now they screwed up the new Banjo game, big time...it's just hard to like them these days 'cause they just keep screwing up. V_Isle

they were once great, but not anymore. I wont call them mediocre, thats for EA, Ubisoft, etc, but compared to their previous games, there is no denying that RARE aint the same.MightyMuna

yet acording to gamerankings they aren't very far in terms of quality from what they used to be during the N64 era

Rare will always = N64 to me.

I don't know if its rare that has changed or that its me that has changed. Back in the days of the N64 I apprechiated games for what they were

Nicely done TC :)SecretPolice

yeah from now on every time someone say's that RARE sucks or that they'v lost their touch i urge everyone to use Stika's list of RARE does not suck

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]They've been messing up for the past few years. Their last "great" game was PDZ, almost three years ago. Viva Pinata was a waste of developtment time, time which could have been spent on something better, something that fans actually wanted. Perfect Dark sequel, Killer Instinct remake, whatever. And now they screwed up the new Banjo game, big time...it's just hard to like them these days 'cause they just keep screwing up. st1ka

they were once great, but not anymore. I wont call them mediocre, thats for EA, Ubisoft, etc, but compared to their previous games, there is no denying that RARE aint the same.MightyMuna

yet acording to gamerankings they aren't very far in terms of quality from what they used to be during the N64 era

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Nicely done TC :)st1ka

yeah from now on every time someone say's that RARE sucks or that they'v lsot their touch i urge everyone to use Stika's list of RARE does not suck

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]They've been messing up for the past few years. Their last "great" game was PDZ, almost three years ago. Viva Pinata was a waste of developtment time, time which could have been spent on something better, something that fans actually wanted. Perfect Dark sequel, Killer Instinct remake, whatever. And now they screwed up the new Banjo game, big time...it's just hard to like them these days 'cause they just keep screwing up. V_Isle

they were once great, but not anymore. I wont call them mediocre, thats for EA, Ubisoft, etc, but compared to their previous games, there is no denying that RARE aint the same.MightyMuna

yet acording to gamerankings they aren't very far in terms of quality from what they used to be during the N64 era

viva pinata's awesome :|

and how do you know that vehicle platforming is gimmicky?

[QUOTE="xSuperBlobx"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="st1ka"] true, but then agan Viva pinata and PDZ sold a million, Kameo sold 700K these are not bad numbers by any meansFrozenLiquid

Not bad, but even Rare expressed that they dont like how Microsoft doesnt promote their games

You mean how they don't? :P

I never thought Rare went mediocre at any point. I lves Rare

Huh?

His grammar was fine :?

I really don't think they are as great as they use to be.

I mean the reason the N64 was so great was partly because of RARE. Just look at all the top games RARE made for the N64 and remember the lasting impressions those games have had. So far, or at least IMO, you can't say the same for the games RARE has made for MS.

Are they horrible now? NO!! I just find them average when at one time I saw them as one of the best.peaceful_anger

how is 80% average?

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Nicely done TC :)SecretPolice

yeah from now on every time someone say's that RARE sucks or that they'v lsot their touch i urge everyone to use Stika's list of RARE does not suck

Really? See I think, like all stats, they are manipulated to prove the point of the poster.

What i actually see is 9-10 epic, some might say ground breaking games of teh N64 era and 4 good games of the current gen.

So yeah, i'd still say they have lost their touch a little. But they set themselves an almost impossible act to follow after the N64 era.

Also, rare may have kept going after the N64, but from the report I read, the teams that worked on the ground breaking gamers like goldeneye, disbanded.

A company is only as good as its employees

I think that a one point they were at the top of game development's food chain. However, It's a different studio now. A lot of the original members have left for other places. Most of the talent that was seen in Goldeneye and the first Banjo games is long gone.

It's a point I think a lot of people forget when hyping up Nuts & Bolts. We aren't dealing with the Rare that we were back then.

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]I really don't think they are as great as they use to be.

I mean the reason the N64 was so great was partly because of RARE. Just look at all the top games RARE made for the N64 and remember the lasting impressions those games have had. So far, or at least IMO, you can't say the same for the games RARE has made for MS.

Are they horrible now? NO!! I just find them average when at one time I saw them as one of the best.st1ka

how is 80% average?

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]I really don't think they are as great as they use to be.

I mean the reason the N64 was so great was partly because of RARE. Just look at all the top games RARE made for the N64 and remember the lasting impressions those games have had. So far, or at least IMO, you can't say the same for the games RARE has made for MS.

Are they horrible now? NO!! I just find them average when at one time I saw them as one of the best.V_Isle

how is 80% average?

interesting, because IGN for example said that Viva pinata was rare's best game since tehy were bought by microsoft granted that isn't saying much when compared to grabbed by the ghoulies or PDZ but still it ilustrates a point

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Nicely done TC :)angryfodder

yeah from now on every time someone say's that RARE sucks or that they'v lsot their touch i urge everyone to use Stika's list of RARE does not suck

Really? See I think, like all stats, they are manipulated to prove the point of the poster.

What i actually see is 9-10 epic, some might say ground breaking games of teh N64 era and 4 good games of the current gen.

So yeah, i'd still say they have lost their touch a little. But they set themselves an almost impossible act to follow after the N64 era.

Also, rare may have kept going after the N64, but from the report I read, the teams that worked on the ground breaking gamers like goldeneye, disbanded.

A company is only as good as its employees

Mediocre? Not a chance, their performance this gen has eliminated that distinction.

On the other hand, if someone were to say they aren't what they used to be, that would be a fair judgment because they aren't, literally and figuratively.

I said, once great but not anymore. Now they are just good.

That 83% average for N64 era is really dragged down by 3 outliers (two aren't even N64 games and one is a licensed game).

It really hides that basically everything they made on the N64 was like a top tier game that was easily one of the best on the system and perhaps an overall classic game. Without those three, almost every core rare game (I've never even heard of the Mickey Mouse racer) is an 88 or higher. Thats consistent AAA or close to it.

Rare is the ONLY reason I chose xbox over PS2 and Gamecube. They were also a major factor in me going with the 360 (although price and Bio-ware were major factors as well).