Poll: How powerful do u think PS5 would be compared to the Pro?

5 is 1.25 times greater than 4, so I'm guessing PS5 will be 25% more powerful.

@Telekill: I feel the same way about VR that I feel about 3D movies. It's an interesting diversion from time to time, but not really what I'm looking for in a "core" experience.

Maybe I just get nervous when I can't see the room around me.

I kinda feel the same way.

The biggest jump for me was from PS1 to PS2 and then when I first watched Crysis on other people's rigs.

I hope next gen starts to stay at 4K for a while and I feel it could happen. I'd like to see more focus on geometry and physics.

Example would be Aloy's face during conversations would be common during actual combat/facing the screen during gameplay.

For me I'd rather spend $ 500 on the actual next gen or wait for the Switch Rev. 2 (waiting for more JPN titles to move to Switch). This is only because I don't have good income sadly.

There won't be a PS5, Sony and MS will move to cloud based gaming by then. Microsoft's existing expertise with Azure would certainly help with designing a cloud based gaming platform, and PS now is already quite promising.

Ron, post a bunch of charts for me to help prove my point. Kthx.

@iandizion713: lol what? MS is getting wrecked in the US.

@ronvalencia said:

@SakusEnvoy said:

About 3x the power of the Pro, or double the power of the Scorpio (12TFlops), sounds about right with a target 2019-2020 release.

I would like it to be more powerful, obviously, but either way I don't think the PS5 will force developers to make games run on previous gen hardware. It will be backwards compatible, but its games won't be.

For Scorpio's 16 nm FinFET process technology, MS/AMD/TSMC has managed to fit Hawaii XT type 44 CU GPU into XBO size 360 mm^2 APU chip.

Sony has historical pattern for smaller APU size chips e.g.

at 28 nm: PS4's 348 mm^2, with 18 active CU and 2 disabled CUs

at 16 nm: PS4 Pro's 321 mm^2 with 36 CU active.

2X CU count when shifting from 28 nm to 16 nm.

For 7nm: PS5 or PS4.next, 64 or 72 CU range. Vega 10 is possible at 7 nm. Vega 20 is 7 nm version of Vega 10.

MS's historical pattern for APU size chips e.g.

28 nm: XBO's 363 mm^2, without 32 MB ESRAM, MS could have 28 CU GPU i.e. two sets Bonaire 14 CUs.

16 nm: Scorpio's 360 mm^2 with 40 active CU and 4 disabled CUs.

The problem is perf/watt gains in NAVI era.

~5.5X perf/watt on 28 nm chip 1.83 TFLOPS = 10.06 TFLOPS.

Hi Ron, is there such thing as imrpoved IPC for GPUs e.g. Navi might have better performance per flop or something? Do you think that's possible?

So I guess you estimate it to be a little bit more than twice as powerful as the Pro? :( I guess it would depend on price then.

How much RAM do you think next gen systems would have? I imagine 24 GB for Sony.

I would say just under 3x. As one poster stated we're getting into the territory of diminishing returns.. Drive Club, The Order, UC4, Horizon look incredible (forget the scores for a minute). Of course 4k + 60fps would be ideal and i believe that could be achieved with 3x.

I feel kinda torn with these so far but leaning more towards the "diminishing return" team.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/games-discussion-1000000/diminishing-returns-due-to-technological-barrier-n-29358319/

There's still so much to improve upon even with Horizon.

I hope next gen that the devs would focus less on resolution and more on texture, geometry, lighting and physics other than AI.

I am still surprised we still have muddy textures, AF issues and noticeable pop-ins/LoD issues this gen with supposedly 8 to 10x more powerful hardware with way more RAM than the PS3/360 era.

Still, there's still the diminishing return factor and I guess due to development budget and rushing games to meet deadlines, formulaic gameplay most just won't be as wowed as previous era.

IDK. I hope not. I wish we see something really eye popping next gen when devs move their baselines above the Scorpio hardware.

As long as you're dragging the collective IQ of the forum down I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.

@walloftruth: Sorry, i have to dumb myself down so these fools understand.

I guess you dont remember PS3 games very well.

@walloftruth: Yes played both and loved it. The upgrade from PS2 to PS3 is much better i think.

Likely to fall somewhere in between the Bore Poo and Mighty Scorpio and that's gotta Sting. :P

At least 18 TFLOPS, and therefore, 10 times more powerful than original PS4.

4.5 times more powerful than PS4 Pro and about 3X Project Scorpio.

Fall 2020 release.

ultra low power Zen -8x cores, 16 threads

Navi+ GPU architecture

32 GB HBM2 or HBM3 for 1.2 TB/sec memory bandwidth.

Nice. Even has a RAM amount prediction.

How about price?

Just got my Pro a couple of months ago, it's in its infancy. Why the hell are we talking about PS5?!

It's just for kicks by seeing your prediction with less amount of insight to the future then looking back to your prediction 3-4 years from now.

.. and congratulations! I also want a pro.

@j2zon2591: No one will remember or track this thread that far in the future. A better question is when are devs actually going to leverage the PS4 Pro's hardware.

I see differences, but surely they could squeeze better looking third party games and resolutions.

Just me I guess. I still do check my SW polls from 2 years ago about the future of VITA and 3DS.

For Pro, perhaps at the tail end of the PS4 generation? I feel development in general would still have to be focused on the PS4 vanilla if not the base X1.

I hope there's actually a 3rd party dev who'd at least baseline the Pro as their target.

Maybe when the Pio is more common we'll start seeing devs optimized on the ProPios and the X1/PS4 a non priority. AFAIK Dragon Age Inquisition was really ugly even though the PS3/360 could do better, devs seem to just have focused on the PS4/X1.

It had better be as powerful as it can be, unless people like buying incremental hardware updates every few years.

I don't get VR. Outside of survival horror it has yet to prove it's anything more than a tech demo thing, that's all I've seen from it. PS VR sold well in the begining and nothing since and it's expensive. This thing sounds like the new kinect or move controllers to me.

I personally think something like the 3DS is one of the few places it makes sense to me. Non intrusive, non expensive but still with some enjoyment.

not that much

Diminishing returns is one thing.There's also the fact that moore's law is coming to end.I mean even 7nm isn't even possible right now

Maybe my comment failed to post. I forgot xD

Yeah I'm still torn with the diminshing returns but isn't the nm thing just a factor? They could still do improvements staying on the same size but may need more watts and cooling, right?

Hope they stop at 4K for next gen or even Faux 4K checkerboarding. I wanna see other graphical improvements.

Maybe not next gen, but possibly the generation after that, assuming everything isn't cloud based, I would wager that consoles might start looking into fully programmable CPU/GPU.

If developers are able to actually reprogram the CPU for their specific game, it could mean huge performance increases.

I DONT give a shit. PS4 is the best damn console w/ the best games out right now and for the foreseeable future. Why should give a rats ass how powerful PS5 will be ? lol

I do not see PS5/X2 cloud based at all, maybe it could help like the X1 vision of supplementation but not the base design. AFAIK there's still physics issue of input lag, games designed for action and I don't see global net becoming so cheap and so much better in performance.

Maybe further in the future.

We'll see in 2-3 years. I'll still check this thread.