Polyphony Digital (GT5 dev) has to be the slowest moving dev ever

seriously these guys only release like 1 AA game every 4-5 years

how could sony seriously keep funding such a lack of production???

shouldnt sony be on top of them to make sure they are doing their jobs????

turn 10(Forza dev) has released 2 AAA games (soon to be 3) since the last gran tourismo

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Of course perfection isn't attainable, but Polyphony takes a huge chunk of their development time working out bugs, polishing things up and adding in those little details that none of us will notice while playing the game, but will be in our conscience as we do so. That is one of the reasons why the franchise is so popular.foxhound_fox

I agree 100%

Theres no way a normal 7.5 game, a demo, should sell 4 mill.

I have a feeling that this trend is going to continue, and backfire on the quality of the games, if it hasn't already. Pholphony can get away with taking forever, and not evolving much.Theres a point where extra polish is worth the trade in for time. Pholphony has far exceeded that point, NO amount of polish will make up for forza 2. I don't think even the most biased, most skewed fanboy can argue with the fact that 2 AAA is better than 1.

Forza 3 dominating GT (sales), would be the best thing for GT, But it won't happen.

[QUOTE="tmgwarrior72"]

seriously these guys only release like 1 AA game every 4-5 years

how could sony seriously keep funding such a lack of production???

shouldnt sony be on top of them to make sure they are doing their jobs????

turn 10(Forza dev) has released 2 AAA games (soon to be 3) since the last gran tourismo

Will GT5 ever be released is actually a joke now in the funny picture thread. It had a pig flying in it. Lol.

Tourist Trophy Gran Turismo 4 Online Gran Turismo HD Gran turismo 5 Prologue. Gran Turismo PSP GT5 End of this year. That doesn't seem lazy at all.Adrian_Cloud

seriously these guys only release like 1 AA game every 4-5 years

how could sony seriously keep funding such a lack of production???

shouldnt sony be on top of them to make sure they are doing their jobs????

turn 10(Forza dev) has released 2 AAA games (soon to be 3) since the last gran tourismo

tmgwarrior72

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Tourist Trophy Gran Turismo 4 Online Gran Turismo HD Gran turismo 5 Prologue. Gran Turismo PSP GT5 End of this year. That doesn't seem lazy at all.Tobin09

thats the way they function, they go over things to make sure they are the way they want them to be, the game is gonna sell millions of copies most likely, so im sure that sony is willing to let PD take its sweet time

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Tourist Trophy Gran Turismo 4 Online Gran Turismo HD Gran turismo 5 Prologue. Gran Turismo PSP GT5 End of this year. That doesn't seem lazy at all.Adrian_Cloud

What about Too Human?

Ragnarok1051

Silicon Knights made several other games during that time

But what if their budget has gone so far that even 10 million sales won't break even? There is something called the "point of diminishing returns." I'd bet Polyphony passed it a while ago. Plus, Forza 3 could steal away quite a bit of market share since they are coming out earlier, and are throwing in all the casual appeal on top of a very solid console racing sim.

foxhound_fox

The "demo" was released last year and it sold 3 million

Add that to the fact that FM3 and GT5 are not directly competeing against each other, I'd say we have not reached that point yet

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Tobin09"] Well, here we have it folks, A prime example of someone fooling themselves due to brand loyalty. So, What story are we going with? Gt5 taking forever becouse of over polish, or gt5 taking forever due to pholphony focusing on other stuff?Tobin09

I'm sorry, but this is going a little too far. I have said this many times before and I will say it again. PD and Turn 10 have very different visions of what a racing sim is. Both are great games. Kazunori admits GT PSP held back development for GT5, but we will be seeing GT5 this holiday season. Please stop saying things like 2 AAA >1AA. The quality of a game is subjective and their opinion is as good as mine. Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Whats your point exactly. Each different studio and company has its own strategy. Team ICO releases a SINGLE game around every four years. MGS4 is released around every 3-4 years with smaller titles in between. This series isn't a COD where it has 2 dev teams working alternately. Its really a catch 22, if it were released any sooner people would claim milkage. Don't reply till you have a real argument, thank you.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]I'm sorry, but this is going a little too far. I have said this many times before and I will say it again. PD and Turn 10 have very different visions of what a racing sim is. Both are great games. Kazunori admits GT PSP held back development for GT5, but we will be seeing GT5 this holiday season. Please stop saying things like 2 AAA >1AA. The quality of a game is subjective and their opinion is as good as mine. Tobin09

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Tobin09"] I like this speal about compay stratigies and all, but that has nothing to do with what anyone is saying so far, Nice try though =) OK, so, First, becouse you don't get it, Lets look at the thread title. It suggest that pholphony is a slow moving dev, due to no games coming out. You list a game that was in develpment before gt4 out, a game update, a demo of a demo, a demo, and now GT5, the main game. It sounded to me like you were counting demos, to make it seem like they were putting out games, which I called fooling yourself. Point was, it sounded like you were making excuses for them. NOW, the point about other dev teams in other genres taking long is a good one. I'll give you that. But if you compare them to games in the same genre, Games that are equal if not better in quality, they are taking a really long time. and have allowed the competitor to spit out 2 games in the time of their one.Tobin09

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]I'm sorry, but this is going a little too far. I have said this many times before and I will say it again. PD and Turn 10 have very different visions of what a racing sim is. Both are great games. Kazunori admits GT PSP held back development for GT5, but we will be seeing GT5 this holiday season. Please stop saying things like 2 AAA >1AA. The quality of a game is subjective and their opinion is as good as mine. linkin_guy109

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Of course perfection isn't attainable, but Polyphony takes a huge chunk of their development time working out bugs, polishing things up and adding in those little details that none of us will notice while playing the game, but will be in our conscience as we do so. That is one of the reasons why the franchise is so popular.foxhound_fox

The difference between GT and Forza isn't nearly as pronounced as RB vs GH right now, but Forza has been doing the actual -driving- better for a long time now.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Of course perfection isn't attainable, but Polyphony takes a huge chunk of their development time working out bugs, polishing things up and adding in those little details that none of us will notice while playing the game, but will be in our conscience as we do so. That is one of the reasons why the franchise is so popular.Makari

The difference between GT and Forza isn't nearly as pronounced as RB vs GH right now, but Forza has been doing the actual -driving- better for a long time now.

They released tourist trophy, GT5 Prologue, and the upcoming gt psp. So to prove TC wrong they released 3 games between the GT4 and GT5. :)

But in reality, PD has a lot less human resources than they need. That being said, GT4 and GT5 are still some of the biggest games, in terms of sheer content, in existence.

gt5p could not match features i had in racing games five years ago, no chat, friends list support and private matches? really???

love for the gt series is based on nostalgia because poly have been phoning it in since gt3

Id rather have them be slow in releasing their games than milk the series like GH has for the music videogame genre.

thats debatable, gran turismo 4 was analyzed by some car enthusiasts with respect and the enthusiasts said that it was remarkable just how PD was able to really capture the different ways that certain cars drive, and there was a comparison done between driving times on gran turismo compared to the real life driving times and i think the difference was around a second, if gran turismo 5 can do that, then the -driving- should be pretty damn goodlinkin_guy109

Too Human.