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#1 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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EXAMPLE #1

Those Uncharted 3 "excusive" retail bonuses look as though they could negatively affect gameplay. Another example is that you have to pre order Twisted Metal to get AXEL? WTF?!

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#2 Heil68
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I agree and I don't see any end of it. Each retailer needs something to entice you to buy the same game that's available 100 other places. Developers are more than willing to make money off of this.
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#3 funsohng
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I couldn't care less about multiplaer bonuses...
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#4 HarlockJC
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They lose a lot of money to used games...It's one way to make sure they get their money.
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Wal-Mart - Callout Mod for AK-47 Allows you to "equip your AK-47 with a laser sight that enables your entire team to see the location of the opponent you are currently targeting."

Amazon.com - Carpet Bomb Kickback Allows you to "send out three grenades with a single throw to blanket your opponent – or take out a group of opponents – with multiple explosions."

These seem unfair

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Wal-Mart - Callout Mod for AK-47 Allows you to "equip your AK-47 with a laser sight that enables your entire team to see the location of the opponent you are currently targeting."

Amazon.com - Carpet Bomb Kickback Allows you to "send out three grenades with a single throw to blanket your opponent – or take out a group of opponents – with multiple explosions."

These seem unfair

berserker2389
They're definitely going the COD direction with MP.
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#7 foxhound_fox
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It is honestly killing gaming for me. At least offer it with all new copies and charge used buyers for it. Don't make me go out and spend $60-70 first day just to get something that should be there in all copies.
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It is honestly killing gaming for me. At least offer it with all new copies and charge used buyers for it. Don't make me go out and spend $60-70 first day just to get something that should be there in all copies.foxhound_fox
Well if you wait and buy the game when it is $20-$30 you can buy the extra stuff usually for $2 or less and still you are saving a lot of money.
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#9 cloudff7tm
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I agree. I always see these ads saying that if you preorder you get a certain weapon or power or something. Just a bunch of stuff that should already be in the game in the first place.
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TDU2: bugatti veyron supersport....nuff said it totally wrecked balance and became a game of haves and have nots.Preoder people instantly picked it and wiped the floor with a lobby.

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#11 HarlockJC
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Wal-Mart - Callout Mod for AK-47 Allows you to "equip your AK-47 with a laser sight that enables your entire team to see the location of the opponent you are currently targeting."

Amazon.com - Carpet Bomb Kickback Allows you to "send out three grenades with a single throw to blanket your opponent – or take out a group of opponents – with multiple explosions."

These seem unfair

berserker2389
Wow that is quite unfair...Don't worry though people will still buy COD
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#12 mythrol
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This is the reason I stopped pre-ordering ANY game that offers retail specific bonuses. I don't mind you giving pre-order bonuses, but they should be across the board. Everyone who pre-orders should get it. I've stopped pre-ordering any game until I find out what bonuses they're offering as well. I know I'm going to buy Skyrim. But until I find out if they are going to do retailer specific pre-orders, I refuse to pre-order. And if they are, then I don't care what the bonuses are, I won't be pre-ordering. I might be hurting myself by not getting any pre-order bonus, but if we all just give in then nothing will happen and they will keep doing it. The only game I have pre-ordered right now is Dark Souls for PS3 because OMG!!! Amazon is giving the collectors edition for the regular edition's price. I mean if you look at what the collectors edition has, that's such an awesome deal!
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#13 rybe1025
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I think the pre-order bonuses for Infamous 2 suck also. They should have all the powers included in the game and unless a person pre-orders from everywhere they can not have all the powers.
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It wouldn't be so bad if the devs/pubs/retailers would pull their heads out of their asses and simply release all pre-order bonuses to players for free after a month or so (shockingly, pre-order bonuses are significantly less effective at attracting customers after the game's been released), but yeah, it's pretty awful nowadays. If anything, it makes me less likely to buy a game.

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#15 TheOtherTheoG
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It's the worst kind of DLC/Extra content out there. It effectively blocks out some of the content for all players, regardless of whether you go with the bonus or not, meaning that all players miss out on content which is already on the disk, it's pretty bad. Worse than paid day 1 DLC, IMO.
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What really bothers me about them is it's getting to a point where the pre order bonuses may actually interfer with gameplay balance. What if it comes to the point where, if you pre order, you can perhaps use a stronger weapon in a online multiplayer game? Or has that already happened?

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What really bothers me about them is it's getting to a point where the pre order bonuses may actually interfer with gameplay balance. What if it comes to the point where, if you pre order, you can perhaps use a stronger weapon in a online multiplayer game? Or has that already happened?

Heirren

The example the TC gave for Uncharted is a prime example of what you are talking aboutso yes it has happened. Here are 3 of the pre-order bonues.

Amazon.com – Clip Size Mod for Para 9 or G-MAL
Allows you to increase the size of the bullet clip for your weapon of choice and "spend more time shooting your opponents before having to reload."

Wal-Mart - Callout Mod for AK-47
Allows you to "equip your AK-47 with a laser sight that enables your entire team to see the location of the opponent you are currently targeting."

Amazon.com - Carpet Bomb Kickback
Allows you to "send out three grenades with a single throw to blanket your opponent – or take out a group of opponents – with multiple explosions."

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What really bothers me about them is it's getting to a point where the pre order bonuses may actually interfer with gameplay balance. What if it comes to the point where, if you pre order, you can perhaps use a stronger weapon in a online multiplayer game? Or has that already happened?

Heirren
That's what happened with BFBC2 i think and MoH.
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#19 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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Wow, something with that big of an impact on the game shouldn't exist.
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#20 Hoznary
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Feels like gaming is dying slowly :( what happened to the days when we got a full game? What happened to the days when collectors edition was a toy and some art collections? When and why is DLC existing :( why cant we get a full game for once? Funny how nintendo is the only one doing gaming right! I hope to god that Project Cafe does not have dlc!
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#21 Dr_Snood
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Yeah it's getting ridiculous. I am perfectly fine having a pre-order bonus such as a extra weapon skin or possibly a extra "fun" character for multiplayer. What I don't like is having gameplay advantages in muliplayer or extra exclusives missions for pre-order bonuses. Seriously anything that makes you better then someone else because you got a "call out mod" for your AK-47 is absolutely pathetic. It needs to stop. Give me a keychain or something for pre-ordering.. NOT a advantage in multiplayer.
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Wal-Mart - Callout Mod for AK-47 Allows you to "equip your AK-47 with a laser sight that enables your entire team to see the location of the opponent you are currently targeting."

Amazon.com - Carpet Bomb Kickback Allows you to "send out three grenades with a single throw to blanket your opponent – or take out a group of opponents – with multiple explosions."

These seem unfair

berserker2389

Wow those could kill the balance of MP.

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#23 EZs
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The more ridiculous thing is that WalMart and Gamestop is not all over the world, it's not like KFC or McDonalds :|

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#24 BPoole96
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I find it extremely annoying as well. Does anyoen know why retailers push so hard to get people to pre order games? I never quite understood that

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#25 savebattery
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Preorder bonuses, DLC, online pass, subscription fees, microtransactions, overpriced plastic peripherals, DRM, "Game of the Year Editions", "Collector's Editions", superfluous social/multimedia crap, firmware updates, and endless sequels... such is the reality of the modern video game industry. I'm going to go play my Intellivision. I've made myself sad again.
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#26 savebattery
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I find it extremely annoying as well. Does anyoen know why retailers push so hard to get people to pre order games? I never quite understood that

BPoole96
If they can con you into pre-ordering something it guarantees that you'll be back in their store, instead of buying your games elsewhere.
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#27 Maroxad
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Unfortunately, this looks to be the future of gaming, or at least mainstream gaming. The devs will welcome the extra cash, even if it comes at the expense of its customers.

But just wow at those preorder bonuses, as if I needed another reason to be against store exclusive preorder bonuses. I never really liked the uncharted series, but this is the final blow for me to decide that I do not want UC3.

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#28 Ravirr
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whatever happened to cd's and art books as bonuses.

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#29 Randoggy
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I'm pretty sure in the case of Uncharted 3. All those pre-order bonus's you get in the game regardless through leveling up. Here you are just getting it right away.
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whatever happened to cd's and art books as bonuses.

Ravirr
Atlus knows how to do Collectors editions with class, hell half the time you get the soundtrack even if you don't get the collectors edition.
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#31 hiphops_savior
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I'm fine with pre-order bonuses and all, as long as the items are strictly bonuses, and not game-breaking.
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#32 PurpleMan5000
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I find it extremely annoying as well. Does anyoen know why retailers push so hard to get people to pre order games? I never quite understood that

BPoole96
If you add up all the pre-order money that Gamestop gets for big games, I'm sure it comes out to quite the interest free loan.
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[QUOTE="Ravirr"]

whatever happened to cd's and art books as bonuses.

Jynxzor

Atlus knows how to do Collectors editions with class, hell half the time you get the soundtrack even if you don't get the collectors edition.

Atlus and Aksys have been doing really good with their pre order stuff.

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Like any thing there are going to be abuses and bad ideas.
DLC is it all bad because some of its bad? there have been quite a few bits of dlc this genration that I simply loved the same can be said of preorder bonuses is all of it bad because some of it? Ive enjoyed quitea few bonuses.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I find it extremely annoying as well. Does anyoen know why retailers push so hard to get people to pre order games? I never quite understood that

PurpleMan5000

If you add up all the pre-order money that Gamestop gets for big games, I'm sure it comes out to quite the interest free loan.

Oh yeah definitely Gamestop was getting introuble actually because they would take pre orders and that money would be theirs it would reflect on their bottom line so they weren't telling people about the pre orders they made if they happend to forget about them *I personally had a pre order for lost planet that I completely forgot about cause I purchased it cheaper on amazon* they didn't remind me of it the next time I was in there they infact had to create rules within the company that any preorders that were old enough the consumer had to be notified of them if they wanted to cancel it and get their money back.

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Like any thing there are going to be abuses and bad ideas.
DLC is it all bad because some of its bad? there have been quite a few bits of dlc this genration that I simply loved the same can be said of preorder bonuses is all of it bad because some of it? Ive enjoyed quitea few bonuses.

WilliamRLBaker

All preorder bonuses are bad because I don't like companies trying to dictate which middle man I choose to buy their game from. Almost all DLC is just small tacked on costumes or quests that would have improved the game had it been in the original release, but is not worth buying after you have already finished the game. The only worthwhile DLC's that I can think of also had retail releases.

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[QUOTE="Ravirr"]

whatever happened to cd's and art books as bonuses.

Jynxzor

Atlus knows how to do Collectors editions with class, hell half the time you get the soundtrack even if you don't get the collectors edition.

Blizzard also has pretty good CE's

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It wouldn't be so bad if the devs/pubs/retailers would pull their heads out of their asses and simply release all pre-order bonuses to players for free after a month or so (shockingly, pre-order bonuses are significantly less effective at attracting customers after the game's been released), but yeah, it's pretty awful nowadays. If anything, it makes me less likely to buy a game.

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^This. I don't mind character skins or something like that, but once you start impacting gameplay.... yeah. Also, UC3 looks like it's going the Call of Duty route MP-wise. Awesome. Call of Duty ruins something else.
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we've listened to a lot of your feedback about the pre-order bonuses from the UNCHARTED 2 release – mostly how many of you were bummed by not being able to get some in-game content without pre-ordering at multiple retailers or waiting for it to be added to the PSN Store over a year later. Because of that feedback, we've restructured how we provide pre-order content – nearly all of our retailer exclusive bonuses grant you early access to key multiplayer Weapon Mods, Boosters and Medal Kickbacks.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/02/uncharted-3-collector%E2%80%99s-edition-pre-order-details-for-north-america/

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

What really bothers me about them is it's getting to a point where the pre order bonuses may actually interfer with gameplay balance. What if it comes to the point where, if you pre order, you can perhaps use a stronger weapon in a online multiplayer game? Or has that already happened?

DroidPhysX

That's what happened with BFBC2 i think and MoH.

The pre-order Bonuses with BFBC2 simply unlocked weapons and gadgets early, other players who did not pre-order could obtain them through normal play.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

What really bothers me about them is it's getting to a point where the pre order bonuses may actually interfer with gameplay balance. What if it comes to the point where, if you pre order, you can perhaps use a stronger weapon in a online multiplayer game? Or has that already happened?

DarkGamer007

That's what happened with BFBC2 i think and MoH.

The pre-order Bonuses with BFBC2 simply unlocked weapons and gadgets early, other players who did not pre-order could obtain them through normal play.

Yeah, i knew i wasn't sure about BFBC2. Oh well.
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Disagree. They've been ridiculous for years.
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#43 DroidPhysX
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Disagree. They've been ridiculous for years.McStrongfast
Looks like CoD does something right. Pre-Order, get a poster.
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#44 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]Disagree. They've been ridiculous for years.DroidPhysX
Looks like CoD does something right. Pre-Order, get a poster.

As if pre-order bonuses could unblanace Call of Duty's MP any further. :lol:
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Like any thing there are going to be abuses and bad ideas.
DLC is it all bad because some of its bad? there have been quite a few bits of dlc this genration that I simply loved the same can be said of preorder bonuses is all of it bad because some of it? Ive enjoyed quitea few bonuses.

PurpleMan5000

All preorder bonuses are bad because I don't like companies trying to dictate which middle man I choose to buy their game from. Almost all DLC is just small tacked on costumes or quests that would have improved the game had it been in the original release, but is not worth buying after you have already finished the game. The only worthwhile DLC's that I can think of also had retail releases.

how are they dictating who you buy from? if you are so sore about it go to target or meijer where they never get preorder bonsues. your the one dictating who you buy from when you decide hey I like that preorder bonus content.

As for that some dlc is just simple tacked on stuff not all.

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#46 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="McStrongfast"]Disagree. They've been ridiculous for years.DarkLink77
Looks like CoD does something right. Pre-Order, get a poster.

As if pre-order bonuses could unblanace Call of Duty's MP any further. :lol:

I was thinking something along the lines of getting a free month of Call of Duty Elite, then i thought "Wait, this is Activision"
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#47 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Looks like CoD does something right. Pre-Order, get a poster.

As if pre-order bonuses could unblanace Call of Duty's MP any further. :lol:

I was thinking something along the lines of getting a free month of Call of Duty Elite, then i thought "Wait, this is Activision"

Free? Activision doesn't even know what that word means. :P
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#48 Nonstop-Madness
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Those are all available in game. You get Axel when you pre-order TM but he's already in the game, you just have to unlock him via campaign or something.
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#49 Shielder7
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I never Pre-order games anymore because you're always taking a chance that you'll buy a lemon. I prefer to wait at least for a few the reviews come out. I mean look at Hunted demon forge I sure they held off letting people review the game because they new it sucked and wanted to sucker people into buying it.
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#50 NaveedLife
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I am a bit confused about this (Uncharted 3), as I thought all those kickbacks were in the game. Is this just an already unlocked kickback or something? If I cannot use the 3 or 4 kickbacks that are from other stores ever, I will be mad. I hate this pre-order stuff too, but basically the stuff that has a store to store one. If it is a universal one its not too bad.