Price for the PS4 & Predictions

[QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

in what sense ur pc plays games better ? graphic wise ?

WilliamRLBaker

Everything.

Graphics and performance. There are so many things that are categorised in graphics such as anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, textures, draw distances, density of objects, effects, DX11, tessellation, etc.

Performance is the one that makes PC games much more enjoyable. Console games are capped at 30fps (drops below that often, actually) and PC is open to performance depending on the hardware. It's mostly 60fps for me.

I also have the choice of playing games on the keyboard & mouse or controller.

$999 US dollars!!!

It could be for $400 or so.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

At 400$ it will sell like hot cakes with some good games coming up, sony is going strong. I think the price will decide who will make a good first impression

tormentos

$399.99

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

So i've been surfing until i see this, anyhow it seems just a prediction imo.

So what do you think will it start good or slow start?

Let the predictions begin

BZSIN

Exactly in europe we are kind of ripped off, its like the same number just a different currency which makes a big difference... sad but true

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]$400 is what i spec from sony.blackace

At 400$ it will sell like hot cakes with some good games coming up, sony is going strong. I think the price will decide who will make a good first impression

I am not sure if they put it at that price they will loose a lot, actually comparing the ps3 to the ps4 in that matter is a mistake because the blu-ray was new technology then and that hurt the sony, I cant think of a reason why the ps4 should be as expensive as the ps3 launch.

[QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

in what sense ur pc plays games better ? graphic wise ?

tormentos

Everything.

Graphics and performance. There are so many things that are categorised in graphics such as anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, textures, draw distances, density of objects, effects, DX11, tessellation, etc.

Performance is the one that makes PC games much more enjoyable. Console games are capped at 30fps (drops below that often, actually) and PC is open to performance depending on the hardware. It's mostly 60fps for me.

I also have the choice of playing games on the keyboard & mouse or controller.

I find it funny how most of you say, "if Sony were smart, they'd price it cheap to move units." I don't know how much it costs to make PS4, but I'm almost certain they'd sell them at a profit.hoplayletsplay

It's loss-leading. Companies sell one product at a loss (console), in order to profit on supplementary products at a profit (games).

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]I find it funny how most of you say, "if Sony were smart, they'd price it cheap to move units." I don't know how much it costs to make PS4, but I'm almost certain they'd sell them at a profit.lundy86_4

It's loss-leading. Companies sell one product at a loss (console), in order to profit on supplementary products at a profit (games).

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]I find it funny how most of you say, "if Sony were smart, they'd price it cheap to move units." I don't know how much it costs to make PS4, but I'm almost certain they'd sell them at a profit.lundy86_4

It's loss-leading. Companies sell one product at a loss (console), in order to profit on supplementary products at a profit (games).

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]I find it funny how most of you say, "if Sony were smart, they'd price it cheap to move units." I don't know how much it costs to make PS4, but I'm almost certain they'd sell them at a profit.hoplayletsplay

It's loss-leading. Companies sell one product at a loss (console), in order to profit on supplementary products at a profit (games).

I won't argue that. It's not even remotely a guarantee. Regardless, consoles are a very popular loss-leading product. Only Nintendo typically sell at a profit (and I believe they haven't, on occasion).

leaked prices were $430 and $530 respectivly...I'll go with thoes.

casharmy

Same here man... After all the rumors that were true for the PS4. I would think that since these prices have been leaked on quite a few websites in a relatively short amount of time that is completely possible.

I am a sucker and will buy the most expensive model... I am REALLY REALLY hoping that like the PS1 and PS2 that we can use removable memory cards. My PS3 memory was full relatively fast on both my first and 2nd PS3's... I absolutely HATE deleting save files.. why and the hell can we not have the option of hard drive OR memory card?

Anyways, I lost track of my thoughts... lol

Where I was going with the whole "buying the more expensive version" was that I am sure no matter HOW BIG the hard drive is that I will undoubtedly fill it up... :(

Yes, I know that you can put a larger HD in the PS3... however, I dont know much about that kind of shit, and I would not void my warranty doing something that I know nothing about...

I am not starting an arguement, I just want get my point across the board, so feel free to correct me if you guys have a good reason to. I'll try to explain why it's better for Sony to sell at a profit than trying to make back the initial loss with royalties.

 Imagine if sony sell the PS4 at a loss of $50, they can move 10 milion units; whereas if they sell it at a profit of $50, they can move 5 million units (let me know if this is not realistic!). And the attach rate is 10 software paid at full price for each system sold. Now Sony can get $10 from each of these softwares (again, let me know if I'm wrong).

In the end, Sony'd earn $500mil if they sell at a loss and $750mil if they sell at a profit. So wouldn't it be smarter to sell at a profit then? And I haven't even factored in inflation yet, It'd be wiser for sony to grab the cash now than earning it back later.

Edit: let me know if you guys want tochange any of the variables, I'd do the maths again for you.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

leaked prices were $430 and $530 respectivly...I'll go with thoes.

WitIsWisdom

Same here man... After all the rumors that were true for the PS4. I would think that since these prices have been leaked on quite a few websites in a relatively short amount of time that is completely possible.

I am a sucker and will buy the most expensive model... I am REALLY REALLY hoping that like the PS1 and PS2 that we can use removable memory cards. My PS3 memory was full relatively fast on both my first and 2nd PS3's... I absolutely HATE deleting save files.. why and the hell can we not have the option of hard drive OR memory card?

Anyways, I lost track of my thoughts... lol

Where I was going with the whole "buying the more expensive version" was that I am sure no matter HOW BIG the hard drive is that I will undoubtedly fill it up... :(

Yes, I know that you can put a larger HD in the PS3... however, I dont know much about that kind of shit, and I would not void my warranty doing something that I know nothing about...

A USB flash drive is just as good as a memory card these days.

I think Sony will launch with two models, 

$399 and $499

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

leaked prices were $430 and $530 respectivly...I'll go with thoes.

DarthaPerkinjan

Same here man... After all the rumors that were true for the PS4. I would think that since these prices have been leaked on quite a few websites in a relatively short amount of time that is completely possible.

I am a sucker and will buy the most expensive model... I am REALLY REALLY hoping that like the PS1 and PS2 that we can use removable memory cards. My PS3 memory was full relatively fast on both my first and 2nd PS3's... I absolutely HATE deleting save files.. why and the hell can we not have the option of hard drive OR memory card?

Anyways, I lost track of my thoughts... lol

Where I was going with the whole "buying the more expensive version" was that I am sure no matter HOW BIG the hard drive is that I will undoubtedly fill it up... :(

Yes, I know that you can put a larger HD in the PS3... however, I dont know much about that kind of shit, and I would not void my warranty doing something that I know nothing about...

A USB flash drive is just as good as a memory card these days.

I think Sony will launch with two models,

$399 and $499

With no option to save to that media it is kind of irrelevant though...

I know I can save smaller game saves and then go to the save folder and copy/paste it onto a flash drive... however, I dont believe I would have the option to LOAD that save file from that media after loading a game making it completely useless. I do not want a three ring circus where I have to jump through hoops of fire to retain game saves and then restore them to the PS3 if I actually ever intend to load them again. I want removable media ala PS1 and PS2 memory cards. I want hardrive/removable media option.

Maybe I am wrong about this, and I sure as hell would like some more information if I am, because I am certainly open to ideas. If somebody could provide a link if it is possible, then that would be clutch... however, like I said, I'm way to damn lazy for taking multiple steps to a "better" solution.. heh.

I'm all about ease of access.. which is probably why PC gaming has not ever fully captivated me.

[QUOTE="DarthaPerkinjan"]

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Same here man... After all the rumors that were true for the PS4. I would think that since these prices have been leaked on quite a few websites in a relatively short amount of time that is completely possible.

I am a sucker and will buy the most expensive model... I am REALLY REALLY hoping that like the PS1 and PS2 that we can use removable memory cards. My PS3 memory was full relatively fast on both my first and 2nd PS3's... I absolutely HATE deleting save files.. why and the hell can we not have the option of hard drive OR memory card?

Anyways, I lost track of my thoughts... lol

Where I was going with the whole "buying the more expensive version" was that I am sure no matter HOW BIG the hard drive is that I will undoubtedly fill it up... :(

Yes, I know that you can put a larger HD in the PS3... however, I dont know much about that kind of shit, and I would not void my warranty doing something that I know nothing about...

WitIsWisdom

A USB flash drive is just as good as a memory card these days.

I think Sony will launch with two models,

$399 and $499

With no option to save to that media it is kind of irrelevant though...

I know I can save smaller game saves and then go to the save folder and copy/paste it onto a flash drive... however, I dont believe I would have the option to LOAD that save file from that media after loading a game making it completely useless. I do not want a three ring circus where I have to jump through hoops of fire to retain game saves and then restore them to the PS3 if I actually ever intend to load them again. I want removable media ala PS1 and PS2 memory cards. I want hardrive/removable media option.

Maybe I am wrong about this, and I sure as hell would like some more information if I am, because I am certainly open to ideas. If somebody could provide a link if it is possible, then that would be clutch... however, like I said, I'm way to damn lazy for taking multiple steps to a "better" solution.. heh.

I'm all about ease of access.. which is probably why PC gaming has not ever fully captivated me.

I am not starting an arguement, I just want get my point across the board, so feel free to correct me if you guys have a good reason to. I'll try to explain why it's better for Sony to sell at a profit than trying to make back the initial loss with royalties.

 Imagine if sony sell the PS4 at a loss of $50, they can move 10 milion units; whereas if they sell it at a profit of $50, they can move 5 million units (let me know if this is not realistic!). And the attach rate is 10 software paid at full price for each system sold. Now Sony can get $10 from each of these softwares (again, let me know if I'm wrong).

In the end, Sony'd earn $500mil if they sell at a loss and $750mil if they sell at a profit. So wouldn't it be smarter to sell at a profit then? And I haven't even factored in inflation yet, It'd be wiser for sony to grab the cash now than earning it back later.

Edit: let me know if you guys want tochange any of the variables, I'd do the maths again for you.

 

hoplayletsplay

• more accessory sales
• more PSN subs - gold , platinum (rumored) 
• more media puchases - TV shows , movies , etc. 
• more DLC sales
• more spent on Home crap , avatars , themes , etc. 

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]

I am not starting an arguement, I just want get my point across the board, so feel free to correct me if you guys have a good reason to. I'll try to explain why it's better for Sony to sell at a profit than trying to make back the initial loss with royalties.

 Imagine if sony sell the PS4 at a loss of $50, they can move 10 milion units; whereas if they sell it at a profit of $50, they can move 5 million units (let me know if this is not realistic!). And the attach rate is 10 software paid at full price for each system sold. Now Sony can get $10 from each of these softwares (again, let me know if I'm wrong).

In the end, Sony'd earn $500mil if they sell at a loss and $750mil if they sell at a profit. So wouldn't it be smarter to sell at a profit then? And I haven't even factored in inflation yet, It'd be wiser for sony to grab the cash now than earning it back later.

Edit: let me know if you guys want tochange any of the variables, I'd do the maths again for you.

 

Nike_Air

• more accessory sales
• more PSN subs - gold , platinum (rumored) 
• more media puchases - TV shows , movies , etc. 
• more DLC sales
• more spent on Home crap , avatars , themes , etc. 

Oh unless the accessories are designed to RROD.

I will pay up to $500. I hope it's cheaper, so i would have euros  for a few launch games.

I think they'll be 2 units, one at around 400 and another around 500.

No matter how expensive it is, it's worth the price, unlike those pesky gaming PC's.

I'm expecting £350 to £400.

But I'm not spending that much money on a console when my PC play games better.

Cyberdot

$467.25±0.01USD

psymon100

I am not starting an arguement, I just want get my point across the board, so feel free to correct me if you guys have a good reason to. I'll try to explain why it's better for Sony to sell at a profit than trying to make back the initial loss with royalties.

 Imagine if sony sell the PS4 at a loss of $50, they can move 10 milion units; whereas if they sell it at a profit of $50, they can move 5 million units (let me know if this is not realistic!). And the attach rate is 10 software paid at full price for each system sold. Now Sony can get $10 from each of these softwares (again, let me know if I'm wrong).

In the end, Sony'd earn $500mil if they sell at a loss and $750mil if they sell at a profit. So wouldn't it be smarter to sell at a profit then? And I haven't even factored in inflation yet, It'd be wiser for sony to grab the cash now than earning it back later.

Edit: let me know if you guys want tochange any of the variables, I'd do the maths again for you.

 

hoplayletsplay

$150

[QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

I'm expecting £350 to £400.

But I'm not spending that much money on a console when my PC play games better.

razu2444

If they release before the Xbox 720, should be around 500$.

If Sony wants to really move numbers here, they better price it at £300-£350

megaspiderweb09

You mean if they want to lose loads of money on each console?

$1000.

I think it's going to be $450. 

No matter how expensive it is, it's worth the price, unlike those pesky gaming PC's.

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

$467.25±0.01USD

danjammer69

I'm embarrassed that I have to give any margin for error at all :(

[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="psymon100"]

$467.25±0.01USD

psymon100

I'm embarrassed that I have to give any margin for error at all :(

I think it will be in the $400-500 range. Sony will be selling it at a loss but have tiered online feature services to get some more money from those that want extra features. If Sony is smart than basic online play will remain free.