Proof That Gamers Dont Know A Good Game When They See It....

Psychonauts was amazing.

Okami was amazing.

They all sold poorly. Am I missing any other gems?

Psychonauts was amazing.

Okami was amazing.

They all sold poorly. Am I missing any other gems?

Heroldp813

It could also be proof that gamers didn't find the games as amazing as critics did. There are a number of factors that determine how well a product will sell. Mass appeal is one of them, Psychonauts and Okami did not have mass appeal.

Good games? Yes. For everyone? No.

I could say the same for thousands of great games that never got off the ground just because the market never caught onto them. Being a good game isn't enough to move mass quanitities. Many good movies see crap sales compared to cheaper "Lesser" movies (By ciritics standards), music, art, literature, all forms of media suffer from this crutch of what is "Good".

It all depends on how someone defines good, critics stating a game does everything right and is enjoyable is one thing. Saying that everyone can enjoy it on the same level is another.

Who says they even saw it?

Agered 100% with your choices. Beyond Good & Evil comes to mind also. AMAZING game that very few bought.

Oh, I forgot. Bard's Tale on PS2. Last gen also. I think I'm one of the 7 or 12 people that actually bought it. Wonderful game. Possiably as funny as Psychonauts was.

It could also be proof that gamers didn't find the games as amazing as critics did. There are a number of factors that determine how well a product will sell. Mass appeal is one of them, Psychonauts and Okami did not have mass appeal.

Good games? Yes. For everyone? No.

I could say the same for thousands of great games that never got off the ground just because the market never caught onto them. Being a good game isn't enough to move mass quanitities. Many good movies see crap sales compared to cheaper "Lesser" movies (By ciritics standards), music, art, literature, all forms of media suffer from this crutch of what is "Good".

It all depends on how someone defines good, critics stating a game does everything right and is enjoyable is one thing. Saying that everyone can enjoy it on the same level is another.

Jynxzor

I own both those games! :o Psychonauts didn't resonate with me as much as I'd have hoped, but it was still a fun game.

And the Beyond Good & Evil mention as well, though I haven't had the chance to pick that one up. Soon through PSN, though. Soon. ;)

proof that reviews mean nothing at all. mw3 could score 6/10 and still sell 20 million copies... mind you no review site will score it that low because of the money and hype involved. But another example, dark souls wont sell nearly as much as other lower scoring games.

these games are great, but they didn't have the advertising needed in order to really set the charts on fire. You have to realize that in order to sell well you need lots of purchases from people that aren't as into gaming as people here are. Their appeal is not universal.

Oh, I forgot. Bard's Tale on PS2. Last gen also. I think I'm one of the 7 or 12 people that actually bought it. Wonderful game. Possiably as funny as Psychonauts was.

Jettero-Heller

I loved that game..

Don't forget Beyond Good and Evil.princeofshapeir

I think we (GameSpot) are the only people who actually know about games. If you were to ask people questions about certain systems/games, they probably wouldn't know what you were on about. They mostly relyon T.V spots to tell them about new releases. r

Sadly, in order for a game to sell successfully it either has to have mass appeal, which in today's gaming means dumbing down for the casuals because otherwise it will be too complicated and hard for them, or have a big publisher get your back.

Who says they even saw it?

organic_machine

Valkyria Chronicles.

"Am I missing any other gems?" - yes. I won't bother writing a huge list now though.

Sadly, in order for a game to sell successfully it either has to have mass appeal, which in today's gaming means dumbing down for the casuals because otherwise it will be too complicated and hard for them, or have a big publisher get your back.

Demonjoe93

Demon's Souls.

I have to agree that those games were good however, it's not suprising that they did not sell well. They are marketed to the wrong crowd--the gamers. How many wants to play a game that looks like it was made for kids. Hell, we have folks who hate Pokemon just because of that specific reason. how many wants to play a bald head cool space marine? LOL I doubt a lot of folks want to play this

over this:

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Sadly, in order for a game to sell successfully it either has to have mass appeal, which in today's gaming means dumbing down for the casuals because otherwise it will be too complicated and hard for them, or have a big publisher get your back.

15strong

Demon's Souls.

Demon's Souls is high profile exclusive that was published by Namco Bandai in Europe and by Sony in Japan. It's not a casual game but it's got big publishers surrounding it so despite being hardcore it still suceeded.

Knights in the Nightmare sold so poorly it's ridiculous. possibly the best game I've played all gen.

No, that's just proof that:

A. Some people don't get their games marketed properly

Or

B. Some people don't have enough money to market their games.

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Sadly, in order for a game to sell successfully it either has to have mass appeal, which in today's gaming means dumbing down for the casuals because otherwise it will be too complicated and hard for them, or have a big publisher get your back.

15strong

Demon's Souls.

Because most of "the gamers" now only care about online play, making most shooters overrated.dantesergei

I played those games and there are far better games out there.

A 'good game' is determined strictly by opinion. There are plenty of good games that sell poorly and lots of bad games that sell a ton.

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Because most of "the gamers" now only care about online play, making most shooters overrated.i5750at4Ghz

I didn't really care for Psychonauts. siLVURcross

Same here. Just not my type of game.

Proves who's playing the consoles.HCMBusiness_89

ohhh good one. :lol:

Yeah you're missing a bunch of great games that a lot of gamers never played.

Yes you are missing tons. I never played Psychonauts, but I own and almost beat Okami.

Baten Kaitos and Baten Kaitos Origins should be on that list. Better than Okami IMO :P.

I stopped judging games by the cover arta long time ago.

People can't buy what they aren't aware exists, and that's why marketing is more powerful than simply being good.