Proof That Gamers Dont Know A Good Game When They See It....

Proves who's playing the consoles.HCMBusiness_89

Okami was a fantastic game. Never played Psychonauts though.

Who says they saw it? Those games had poor marketing and maybe they aren't what they are looking for :? Some of you people think everyone should be playing the games you think are good, you are wrong.millerlight89

No I just wouldnt mind informing my fellow gamers of great gaming expierence. Some of you people think that everyone else is wrong when in fact it is you my friend who are wrong.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Who says they saw it? Those games had poor marketing and maybe they aren't what they are looking for :? Some of you people think everyone should be playing the games you think are good, you are wrong.Heroldp813

No I just wouldnt mind informing my fellow gamers of great gaming expierence. Some of you people think that everyone else is wrong when in fact it is you my friend who are wrong.

I thought the Virtual Boy was good for what it was. Space Giraffe and Monster Madness are a couple underrated games.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Who says they saw it? Those games had poor marketing and maybe they aren't what they are looking for :? Some of you people think everyone should be playing the games you think are good, you are wrong.millerlight89

No I just wouldnt mind informing my fellow gamers of great gaming expierence. Some of you people think that everyone else is wrong when in fact it is you my friend who are wrong.

Sorry to break the news to you but youre always wrong. Sorry :(

Well you did say Dark Souls wasn't that great.

Pretty much every Looking Glass Studio game sold poorly but they have some of the best games out there. Torment is another one that bombed in sales but is pretty much the best RPG out there.

Pretty much every Looking Glass Studio game sold poorly but they have some of the best games out there. Torment is another one that bombed in sales but is pretty much the best RPG out there.

Whiteblade999

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Pretty much every Looking Glass Studio game sold poorly but they have some of the best games out there. Torment is another one that bombed in sales but is pretty much the best RPG out there.

VensInferno

Same with your Avatar!

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Pretty much every Looking Glass Studio game sold poorly but they have some of the best games out there. Torment is another one that bombed in sales but is pretty much the best RPG out there.

Whiteblade999

Same with your Avatar!

OK... But there's a lot of amazing games that sell well, too.

Sometimes gems get over looked. It's just what happens in the world.

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It could also be proof that gamers didn't find the games as amazing as critics did. There are a number of factors that determine how well a product will sell. Mass appeal is one of them, Psychonauts and Okami did not have mass appeal.

Good games? Yes. For everyone? No.

I could say the same for thousands of great games that never got off the ground just because the market never caught onto them. Being a good game isn't enough to move mass quanitities. Many good movies see crap sales compared to cheaper "Lesser" movies (By ciritics standards), music, art, literature, all forms of media suffer from this crutch of what is "Good".

It all depends on how someone defines good, critics stating a game does everything right and is enjoyable is one thing. Saying that everyone can enjoy it on the same level is another.

princeofshapeir

Plok for the SNES. I loved it and most everyone I've introduced it to have also loved it, but other than that, hardly anyone seems to know about it. Such a fun little game. One of my childhood favorites.

Psychonauts was awesome

Just Cause 2 is the most underrated game this gen

Mirror's Edge is very underrated.

Psychonauts was awesome

Just Cause 2 is the most underrated game this gen

Mirror's Edge 2 is very underrated.

HaloPimp978

JC2 actually scored pretty high. I think under-appreciated would be a better word.

I guess Alan Wake. If I'm not mistaken, it hasn't sold over a million but I think it's a fantastic game.

THose games were great yes, but a lot of a game's success has to do with marketing and demographics.

Okami is incredibly Niche and even with some good marketing would be a tough sell, while Psychonauts didn't really get great marketing it deserved. Plus you gotta take into account other factors at the time, like when it released and other games that came out around the same time.

The best movies don't have the best box office sales, the best music doesn't hit the top of the charts, why would we expect that the best games should sell the best?

Don't forget Beyond Good and Evil.princeofshapeir

The best movies don't have the best box office sales, the best music doesn't hit the top of the charts, why would we expect that the best games should sell the best?

mrfokken

^This sums it up nicely.

You could create the best FPS game of all time, but if you don't market it well, it'll never be anything more than a cult classic.
Even if you do market it well, chances are that there's an Activision or EA game out there with a marketing budget that's bigger than the total budget of your entire game. So...yeah, there's no particularly strong relationship between sales and quality.

Case in point: Grim Fandango

Grim Fandango (from Psychonauts creator Tim Schafer) was hailed as one of the greatest adventure games of all time. It got a 9.3 score here, and the GOTY award here in 1998 against little things like Half-Life, Starcraft (also, Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, etc - but I'm not sure if they counted back then).

By all accounts, it's one of the greatest games of all time...but it's most famous for signalling the death of the entire Adventure genre. It sold between 100,000-500,000 copies. It was such a commercial failure that the genre wouldn't really pick up any big productions again for another eight years.

Anyway, all that is part of the reason why I avoid mainstream gaming for the most part. Big budget games may be fun, but if I'm looking for a truly unique/sophisticated/deep game, I know that I usually won't find them under the big publishers.

its because gamers don't see them under those multi-million cod marketing campaigns.
A good developer is only half the equation into attaining sales, you need good marketing as well.