Prove Used Game Sales Hurt Developers

Simple question that has not been answered. Please provide factual evidence and not conjecture (a proposition that is unproven but is thought to be true and has not been disproven.) I have no dog in the fight. Just curious.

Please try to stay away from the usual thread tangents: xbl, on-line passes, graphics overlord, etc.

Simple question that has not been answered. Please provide factual evidence and not conjecture (aproposition that isunprovenbut is thought to be true and has not been disproven.) I have no dog in the fight. Just curious.

Please try to stay away from the usual thread tangents: xbl, on-line passes, graphics overlord, etc.

spotofun

[QUOTE="spotofun"]

Simple question that has not been answered. Please provide factual evidence and not conjecture (aproposition that isunprovenbut is thought to be true and has not been disproven.) I have no dog in the fight. Just curious.

Please try to stay away from the usual thread tangents: xbl, on-line passes, graphics overlord, etc.

balfe1990

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

I dont think used game sales are as bad as piracy.

Someone bought a game and traded it in. Devs got money from the original purchase.

Piracy, devs dont get money.

There should just be a sticky for all this used game nonsense that's hit system wars.

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

Animal-Mother

There should just be a sticky for all this used game nonsense that's hit system wars.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

spotofun

There should just be a sticky for all this used game nonsense that's hit system wars.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="spotofun"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

Animal-Mother

The devs still made money when the original purchase was made.

What if the person buying the used copy would never have bought the game new? The Dev would still make 0$.

[QUOTE="spotofun"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

Animal-Mother

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

Animal-Mother

Are we supposed to care?

If Modern Warfare 3 was brand new at gamestop for $60, and a used copy was on sale for $35, I should pay $25 more for a new copy for the dev's sake?

I'm sure Infinity Ward aren't homeless and starving, so I could care less.

I think this whole used game debate is the funniest thing I've seen in system wars. When developers overprice the crap out of their products its just simple economics and they are just making money like a business should. Gamestop says "hey we can make some money off of this, maybe buy off a game someone else doesn't want and sell it for a little less than retail and make some profit."

Developers: "F******G BULLS***!!!!!"

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="spotofun"] Could have is the evidence? What if the person who buys the used game decides in the future to purchase a new game by the same developer based on the used purchase? DLC?RyanShazam

The devs still made money when the original purchase was made.

What if the person buying the used copy would never have bought the game new? The Dev would still make 0$.

Funny how he can't spell proof but uses words like conjecture and such. Someone make a sticky on this used game discussion!LustForSoul

Please provide factual evidence and not conjecture

spotofun

What if the person buying the used copy would never have bought the game new? The Dev would still make 0$.

RyanShazam

You are assuming that the guy would not pay 60 dollars, but would instead pay 55.

Funny how he can't spell proof but uses words like conjecture and such. Someone make a sticky on this used game discussion!LustForSoul

Actually "prove" is correct in this instance.

He's not saying saying he has "proof", he's asking others to provide it.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

Tikeio

Are we supposed to care?

If Modern Warfare 3 was brand new at gamestop for $60, and a used copy was on sale for $35, I should pay $25 more for a new copy for the dev's sake?

I'm sure Infinity Ward aren't homeless and starving, so I could care less.

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Funny how he can't spell proof but uses words like conjecture and such. Someone make a sticky on this used game discussion!spotofun

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Lets say 2 copies of uncharted 2 sold. I bought the first one and traded it in. Someone goes to the store and buys my used copy. Gamestop or whatever gaming store you use makes the money. 0 dollars go to the dev. But now your throwing other things into the mix .IF it's one game it doesn't matter 0 dollars are made. DLC is a different story.Animal-Mother

The devs still made money when the original purchase was made.

What if the person buying the used copy would never have bought the game new? The Dev would still make 0$.

How does it hurt the Dev??? What if the person wasnt going to buy the game new? Would that still be hurting the Dev?

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Funny how he can't spell proof but uses words like conjecture and such. Someone make a sticky on this used game discussion!balfe1990

Actually "prove" is correct in this instance.

He's not saying saying he has "proof", he's asking others to provide it.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

The devs still made money when the original purchase was made.

What if the person buying the used copy would never have bought the game new? The Dev would still make 0$.

RyanShazam

How does it hurt the Dev??? What if the person wasnt going to buy the game new? Would that still be hurting the Dev?

It hurts the dev. They make 0 dollars on the sale of that game now. When even if its 20 new, they would make the profit.

Here read up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10113636-17.html?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

Im just the messanger.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] it doesn't matter It still hurts the developer. But devs making money of the original purchase isn't the name of this thread it's prove used game sales hurt devs. And when that used sale is made it hurts the dev.Animal-Mother

How does it hurt the Dev??? What if the person wasnt going to buy the game new? Would that still be hurting the Dev?

It hurts the dev. They make 0 dollars on the sale of that game now.

When a new copy the dev would make all the money.

Here read up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10113636-17.html?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

I understand that if someone buys a game new, the Devs make money.

I understand that when a used game sells, a Dev doesnt mnake money.

What I'm trying to say is, just because someone buys a game used, doesnt mean they would have bought it new.

Say I wasnt going to buy Dark Souls. Does that mean I am hurting the Dev because I dont want to buy the game?

[QUOTE="spotofun"]

Please provide factual evidence and not conjecture

gamer620

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

Animal-Mother

Then dont buy used games! their only like what $5 diffrence? not worth it! get new a game nobody touched not used when u never know who touched it ew

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] it doesn't matter It still hurts the developer. But devs making money of the original purchase isn't the name of this thread it's prove used game sales hurt devs. And when that used sale is made it hurts the dev.Animal-Mother

How does it hurt the Dev??? What if the person wasnt going to buy the game new? Would that still be hurting the Dev?

It hurts the dev. They make 0 dollars on the sale of that game now. When even if its 20 new, they would make the profit.

Here read up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10113636-17.html?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

Im just the messanger.

FINALLY! Let me read and soak it in. I will save my bullets for trolling if I am convinced by your threads :D

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

the fact that THE used game sale could've been a new one.

When a used game is bought 0 dollars go to the developer.

p4s2p0

Exactly... Its the SAME way with EVERYTHING!!! I cant buy a used car because Nissan wont get any of my money??? Seriously people.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

How does it hurt the Dev??? What if the person wasnt going to buy the game new? Would that still be hurting the Dev?

RyanShazam

It hurts the dev. They make 0 dollars on the sale of that game now.

When a new copy the dev would make all the money.

Here read up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10113636-17.html?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

I understand that if someone buys a game new, the Devs make money.

I understand that when a used game sells, a Dev doesnt mnake money.

What I'm trying to say is, just because someone buys a game used, doesnt mean they would have bought it new.

Say I wasnt going to buy Dark Souls. Does that mean I am hurting the Dev because I dont want to buy the game?

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

It hurts the dev. They make 0 dollars on the sale of that game now.

When a new copy the dev would make all the money.

Here read up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10113636-17.html?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

Animal-Mother

I understand that if someone buys a game new, the Devs make money.

I understand that when a used game sells, a Dev doesnt mnake money.

What I'm trying to say is, just because someone buys a game used, doesnt mean they would have bought it new.

Say I wasnt going to buy Dark Souls. Does that mean I am hurting the Dev because I dont want to buy the game?

So we should all just buy everything so no comapny loses any money? lol JK BTW

Then dont buy used games! their only like what $5 diffrence? not worth it! get new a game nobody touched not used when u never know who touched it ew

finalstar2007

I'd rather buy UMvC3 for $1 less that used to belong to a murderous cocaine addict than buy it new.

Then dont buy used games! their only like what $5 diffrence? not worth it! get new a game nobody touched not used when u never know who touched it ew

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I understand that if someone buys a game new, the Devs make money.

I understand that when a used game sells, a Dev doesnt mnake money.

What I'm trying to say is, just because someone buys a game used, doesnt mean they would have bought it new.

Say I wasnt going to buy Dark Souls. Does that mean I am hurting the Dev because I dont want to buy the game?

RyanShazam

So we should all just buy everything so no comapny loses any money? lol JK BTW

I think the happy medium would be if used game retailers were to give devs a percentage of the resale amount. navyguy21

With regard to online passes, people buying used should be pushing for resellers to include one with a used game or to charge lower prices for a used game that doesn't have one included.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

ahahaha yes. We have to help everyone by buying every product they release!Animal-Mother

We are going to go on a mission to buy EVERYTHING!!!

I think the happy medium would be if used game retailers were to give devs a percentage of the resale amount. navyguy21

That wouldn't work because the retailer would make little or no profit so it wouldn't be in their interests at all.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

ahahaha yes. We have to help everyone by buying every product they release!RyanShazam

We are going to go on a mission to buy EVERYTHING!!!

But thats a mission impossible! *song from mission impossible movie*

:P

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

It hurts the dev. They make 0 dollars on the sale of that game now.

When a new copy the dev would make all the money.

Here read up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10113636-17.html?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

Animal-Mother

I understand that if someone buys a game new, the Devs make money.

I understand that when a used game sells, a Dev doesnt mnake money.

What I'm trying to say is, just because someone buys a game used, doesnt mean they would have bought it new.

Say I wasnt going to buy Dark Souls. Does that mean I am hurting the Dev because I dont want to buy the game?

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Both links seem to support used game sales from the author's perspective. The comments by the company reps point to them (used sales) being a larger segment of sales and changing how games are made and published. Where might a find a link that proves that and what has changed?

Are developers still getting money on NEW Games that have been reduced?

Are developers still getting money on NEW Games that have been reduced?

LegatoSkyheart

Far as I'm conereced they knew about used/rental going into the industry if they are that concered about it they should have considered the pros and cons better.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Are developers still getting money on NEW Games that have been reduced?

skrat_01

So if I'll buy Resident Evil 2 for the Gamecube NEW on Amazon, Capcom is going to recieve some money right?

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]I think the happy medium would be if used game retailers were to give devs a percentage of the resale amount. balfe1990

That wouldn't work because the retailer would make little or no profit so it wouldn't be in their interests at all.

Edit - Retailer doesnt make a profit? The MAX gamestop gives you is 30 for a new release, and sells it for 54.99. Thats twice the amount normal retailers (including gamestop) get for selling a new copy. Thats why they push used games so hard. Devs dont get squat with used games either, so the profit margin is larger.

It won't be long before games are like Cars, the minute you walk out of the dealer its instantly worth 20% less than you payed.

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Funny how he can't spell proof but uses words like conjecture and such. Someone make a sticky on this used game discussion!spotofun

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]I think the happy medium would be if used game retailers were to give devs a percentage of the resale amount. navyguy21

That wouldn't work because the retailer would make little or no profit so it wouldn't be in their interests at all.