PS Vita 3G Just Costs Sony $159 to make; Sony Selling At Massive Profit?

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#1 crippled_ram
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Remember how we were all crying foul at Nintendo selling the 3DS for $250, at what was clearly a massive profit? Well apparently, the Vita is very cheap for Sony to make too.

Apparently, the 3G version of PS Vita just causes Sony $159 to make. Considering that Sony will be selling this system for $300, you can imagine the massive profits they must be turning on the thing.

I remember how the cows jumped on the hate bandwagon against the 3DS last year, calling it 'overpriced.' Will they do the same for their precious PS Vita too?

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Well, at least we know now that there'll be a price cut later. At the rate the Vita has been selling, heavens know that it needs one to avoid being completely dead by this point in timenext year.

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Welcome to "Business 101."
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#3 ShadowDeathX
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Well that is good for Sony, they are actually doing better than I expected. However, this doesn't consider labor costs, licensing fees Sony must pay, shipping costs, etc. etc. I'll say they might be close to breaking even.
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#4 rasengan2552
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this is what businesses strive to do ... I am not understanding your dismay here.

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#5 chaoz-king
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I really wouldn't call that a massive profit. But yeah it's a business they need money. It works like that for pretty much everything you buy.
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#6 crippled_ram
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Well that is good for Sony, they are actually doing better than I expected. However, this doesn't consider labor costs, licensing fees Sony must pay, shipping costs, etc. etc. I'll say they might be close to breaking even.ShadowDeathX
This was also true for the 3DS then. Everyone tried to keep reminding Vita fanboys that the bill of products that went into the 3DS did not account for labor costs, R&D, manufacturing costs, marketing, distribution and retail, and more, but they didn't listen. If the 3DS was overpriced at $250, hell, the Vita DEFINITELY is.
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#7 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Well that is good for Sony, they are actually doing better than I expected. However, this doesn't consider labor costs, licensing fees Sony must pay, shipping costs, etc. etc. I'll say they might be close to breaking even.crippled_ram
This was also true for the 3DS then. Everyone tried to keep reminding Vita fanboys that the bill of products that went into the 3DS did not account for labor costs, R&D, manufacturing costs, marketing, distribution and retail, and more, but they didn't listen. If the 3DS was overpriced at $250, hell, the Vita DEFINITELY is.

The Vita is actually worth more than the 3DS imo...it has better tech in it. But I'm glad there is some wiggle room Sony can do to adjust the price. Meaning, I'm getting the Vita once it gets a price drop and the memory card prices lowers down as well.
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#8 SPYDER0416
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Well that's surprising. I guess they weren't selling at a loss after all.

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#9 finalstar2007
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Tbh not that massive, there are other costs that come into place but oh well all i care about i'll be getting a Vita for $60 :D:D.. i love EBgames and its trade in deals sometimes

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#10 T3H_1337_N1NJ4
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I haven't seen such a brilliant display of blind fanboyism since a while ago!

This really is just brilliant. Now it's "normal", and "business 101" and what-not. You guys should pretend to have a mind of your own once in a while!

Also please don't forget, that it doesn't even have a memory card included!

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#11 ShadowDeathX
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Another way Sony can make this system sell more is by ditching the 3G radio and put in a full GSM and LTE radios. Sell them or offer them to cell phone service providers and they can sell those at a rebate 2 Year Contract -/+.
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#12 yoshi_64
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Kids, remeber that just because a unit costs that much to make, it does not equate the amount of R&D that went into the system, planning, employees who were hired to test, debug, and pretty much had any hand in making the system, along with marketing, etc.

You never sell your items for a loss, because that is bad. You need a way to recooperate your goods and make up for the expenses that went into making this system a reality.

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#13 Zaibach
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They're trying to make money?

Those dicks!!!

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#14 Slow_Show
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Makes the lack of internal storage even more ridiculous. Most people figured the reason Sony didn't include 8-16GB of NAND was it would drive costs too high; turns out it really is because they want to gouge customers with those memory cards.

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#15 madsnakehhh
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Do you mean that fanboys are hypocrites? what else is new in SW.

Anyway, like i said, Vita will be fine, specially now that we know Sony can afford a price cut.

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#16 phonemug
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Sony selling it at a loss

Debunked

http://andriasang.com/comw7e/vita_loss/

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#17 fabz_95
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It's important for Sony to make a profit, even at that large profit I think the Vita is very fairly priced.
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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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too expensive will not buy also most likely crap data plans Just get a icontrolpad for your android phone and it's better than a vita. I have it with my galaxy skyrocket and it's the bestest.
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#19 Nengo_Flow
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Well that's surprising. I guess they weren't selling at a loss after all.

SPYDER0416

I guess thats why they arent freaking out that the VITA aint selling so well

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#20 SilverChimera
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$159 for the 3G? Holy phuck that is cheap. So if it starts to bomb, they can pull a 3DS and still make a profit. Not bad.
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#21 BibiMaghoo
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Remember how we were all crying foul at Nintendo selling the 3DS for $250, at what was clearly a massive profit? Well apparently, the Vita is very cheap for Sony to make too.

Apparently, the 3G version of PS Vita just causes Sony $159 to make. Considering that Sony will be selling this system for $300, you can imagine the massive profits they must be turning on the thing.

I remember how the cows jumped on the hate bandwagon against the 3DS last year, calling it 'overpriced.' Will they do the same for their precious PS Vita too?

SOURCE

Well, at least we know now that there'll be a price cut later. At the rate the Vita has been selling, heavens know that it needs one to avoid being completely dead by this point in timenext year.

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Thats about right. When I worked in retail without massive corporate overheads, things were priced at 100% profit. If it cost $50, it would be sold for $100. This is less than 100% and with much, much bigger overheads. I dont see it as a bad thing.
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#22 Wasdie  Moderator
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Well there is still marking, service, R&D, and a lot of other overhead not accounted for.

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#23 ShuichiChamp24
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It's the same as what they did with the 3DS, about 105 for the material but Ninty are still selling it at a loss.

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#24 bobbetybob
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That's minus all the other expenses, they're definitely making a profit which they need to or they're screwed, but it's probably not as much as that makes it seem
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Well there is still marking, service, R&D, and a lot of other overhead not accounted for.

Wasdie
taxes, store take, shipping, advertising.
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#26 Epak_
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I'll be waiting for a price drop then.

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#27 Slow_Show
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Well there is still marking, service, R&D, and a lot of other overhead not accounted for.

Wasdie

But that's not usually taken into account. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure every other "console X costs Y to make" story only takes into account the cost of the components.

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#28 MLBknights58
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Welcome to "Business 101."ispeakfact

Pretty much this.

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#29 EPaul
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At least there's room for a pricecut

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#30 CanYouDiglt
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Sony selling it at a loss

Debunked

http://andriasang.com/comw7e/vita_loss/

phonemug

But really who are you going to believe the link TC posted or Kaz Hirai. Funny people are ignoring Kaz Hirai saying it will take 3 years for SOny to see a profit oiff of Vita

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Well that is good for Sony, they are actually doing better than I expected. However, this doesn't consider labor costs, licensing fees Sony must pay, shipping costs, etc. etc. I'll say they might be close to breaking even.

you''ve also got to factor in basic overheads that most businesses have to cover. HR, legal costs, electricity, heating, there are huge costs for just running a business etc.
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That $159 price does not include, research and development costs, advertising costs, programing costs, testing costs etc.; that is merely the amount of money it takes to physically produce the device. Just because the manufacturing costs are $159 does not mean Sony is making a $141 profit on each 3G Vita sold, in fact if I remember correctly Sony is taking a loss on the Vita like they did on the Playstation 3, and Playstation 2. Nintendo made a profit on the 3DS at the $250 price point, but are now breaking even or taking a slight loss at the $170 price point, yet the 3DS only cost $110 to manufacture, however Nintendo likely included an extra $60 in the price to help earn back all the costs are listed at the begining of my post.

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That $159 price does not include, research and development costs, advertising costs, programing costs, testing costs etc.; that is merely the amount of money it takes to physically produce the device. Just because the manufacturing costs are $159 does not mean Sony is making a $141 profit on each 3G Vita sold, in fact if I remember correctly Sony is taking a loss on the Vita like they did on the Playstation 3, and Playstation 2. Nintendo made a profit on the 3DS at the $250 price point, but are now breaking even or taking a slight loss at the $170 price point, yet the 3DS only cost $110 to manufacture, however Nintendo likely included an extra $60 in the price to help earn back all the costs are listed at the begining of my post.

DarkGamer007

Very well educated and well written post to completely shed light on the situation

APPLAUSE :cool:

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#34 eboyishere
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seriously? i thought it would be selling at a loss.
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#35 GTSaiyanjin2
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This is only taking in to account how much the parts in the system cost. Kinda like how the iphone 4s only cost around $180 to make, yet apple sells it for around $700 without a contract :P But I doubt sony is making any money at all on the system once it actually makes it to retail.

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That $159 price does not include, research and development costs, advertising costs, programing costs, testing costs etc.; that is merely the amount of money it takes to physically produce the device. Just because the manufacturing costs are $159 does not mean Sony is making a $141 profit on each 3G Vita sold, in fact if I remember correctly Sony is taking a loss on the Vita like they did on the Playstation 3, and Playstation 2. Nintendo made a profit on the 3DS at the $250 price point, but are now breaking even or taking a slight loss at the $170 price point, yet the 3DS only cost $110 to manufacture, however Nintendo likely included an extra $60 in the price to help earn back all the costs are listed at the begining of my post.

DarkGamer007
Right now Ninty is selling at a loss with the 3DS. Your right though on everything else.
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That $159 price does not include, research and development costs, advertising costs, programing costs, testing costs etc.; that is merely the amount of money it takes to physically produce the device. Just because the manufacturing costs are $159 does not mean Sony is making a $141 profit on each 3G Vita sold, in fact if I remember correctly Sony is taking a loss on the Vita like they did on the Playstation 3, and Playstation 2. Nintendo made a profit on the 3DS at the $250 price point, but are now breaking even or taking a slight loss at the $170 price point, yet the 3DS only cost $110 to manufacture, however Nintendo likely included an extra $60 in the price to help earn back all the costs are listed at the begining of my post.

DarkGamer007
Double standards much?
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#38 Diviniuz
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that really isn't a massive profit
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#39 GunSmith1_basic
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Right now Ninty is selling at a loss with the 3DS. Your right though on everything else.ShuichiChamp24

the 3DS was selling at a loss for a while but not any more.

as for the Vita Kaz said it was selling at a loss. The cost of materials is not the total cost, and I'm skeptical that the cost of materials is actually that low

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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

That $159 price does not include, research and development costs, advertising costs, programing costs, testing costs etc.; that is merely the amount of money it takes to physically produce the device. Just because the manufacturing costs are $159 does not mean Sony is making a $141 profit on each 3G Vita sold, in fact if I remember correctly Sony is taking a loss on the Vita like they did on the Playstation 3, and Playstation 2. Nintendo made a profit on the 3DS at the $250 price point, but are now breaking even or taking a slight loss at the $170 price point, yet the 3DS only cost $110 to manufacture, however Nintendo likely included an extra $60 in the price to help earn back all the costs are listed at the begining of my post.

groverslanding

Very well educated and well written post to completely shed light on the situation

APPLAUSE :cool:

Very well put
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#41 ShadowMoses900
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Why would anyone buy the 3G model anyway? But yes they are selling it at a prfit, if they weren't they would have pulled it from the shelves by now. People who think otherwise are just stupid and don't know how business works.

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#42 AmazonTreeBoa
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So then what you are saying is Sony can afford to drop the price of the Vita. Well that is good news. I will for sure be waiting for a price drop. When I can pick one up for $199 and a 32GB for $70, I will jump in with both feet and buy one. Got to buy 4 total though
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#43 tagyhag
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This is good news, it means the Vita can easily get a price cut. :)
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#44 PillyChickle
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Why would anyone buy the 3G model anyway? But yes they are selling it at a prfit, if they weren't they would have pulled it from the shelves by now. People who think otherwise are just stupid and don't know how business works.

ShadowMoses900

:lol::lol::lol:

Could you become any more funny?

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#46 Eponique
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Haha, I knew it. Now cows can stop using baseless arguments I call the Vita overpriced. The same goes for those scam memory cards. Handhelds should never cost $400+, and I eagerly await the imminent massive price drop so I can get Persona 4 :)
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Well that is good for Sony, they are actually doing better than I expected. However, this doesn't consider labor costs, licensing fees Sony must pay, shipping costs, etc. etc. I'll say they might be close to breaking even.crippled_ram
This was also true for the 3DS then. Everyone tried to keep reminding Vita fanboys that the bill of products that went into the 3DS did not account for labor costs, R&D, manufacturing costs, marketing, distribution and retail, and more, but they didn't listen. If the 3DS was overpriced at $250, hell, the Vita DEFINITELY is.

Your last sentence was ignorant.
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#48 jonathant5
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Clearly most people here have never taken a business course or knows how they work. Sure the materials cost $160, but you have to factor in labor costs, as well as the costs of managing the supply chain (so delivery of materials, shipping, etc), and they also have advertising costs, and R&D. They have to include the R&D costs in the price, so they probably either amortize it over the life time of the product, or they estimate how many units they will sell within the products liftime, and assign he R&D costs that way. Either way, I am sure that the Vita costs way more than $160, just like how the 3DS cost more than 130 ( i think that was its BoM)
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#49 Eponique
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Clearly most people here have never taken a business course or knows how they work. Sure the materials cost $160, but you have to factor in labor costs, as well as the costs of managing the supply chain (so delivery of materials, shipping, etc), and they also have advertising costs, and R&D. They have to include the R&D costs in the price, so they probably either amortize it over the life time of the product, or they estimate how many units they will sell within the products liftime, and assign he R&D costs that way. Either way, I am sure that the Vita costs way more than $160, just like how the 3DS cost more than 130 ( i think that was its BoM)jonathant5
The video game hardware business works in a way that most the costs are recovered from software sales rather than hardware. R&D and advertising costs can be paid for using other means. The only thing that should be included is cost of materials ($160), cost of production ($2 per unit?), cost of labour (2 cents per unit?) and profit to retailers (let's assume ~$50 per unit). That's $210 for a $300 product.

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#50 Grawse
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Cool, more reason to wait for a price cut.