PS Vita seems to be really fast in terms of multitasking

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

You're comparing 100,000 games and apps and the revenue they create (some are ad supported too, something handheld games can't do) to like, console libraries of 100-500 titles total?

I'm guessing you're using that old article showing mobile games made more money than DS/PSP from a month ago, right? Its a small gap, like $500 million. Oh and by the way, that doesn't include 3DS software at all, nor does it include the holidays where Nintendo titles sell best, or anything from the Vita Japan launch.

That doesn't include $64 million from Ocarina of Time 3D, nor does it include about $50-$100 million more from other games without even mentioning the $40 million-$50 million Nintendo made in two weeks with Super Mario 3D Land, or the $50-$100 million Mario Kart 7 will likely make before 2011 is over. (and $20-$30 million from Star Fox)

So, like 4 Nintendo titles on the 3DS alone will likely close that gap of Android/iOS making $500 million more than DS/PSP. That study didn't include anything 3DS or Vita, the markets are shifting to a new generation. Of course PSP and DS software sales would be lower. The only reason you have $1.9 billion in revenue on software on smartphones is because there are 30,567 developers releasing cheap games all getting a small piece of the pie.

Whereas you have about 100-500 developers getting even bigger pies altogether on the Vita and 3DS.

And if you're talking about this http://www.neowin.net/news/mobile-phone-gaming-makes-more-money-than-portable-consoles then I will correct you that that study DOES NOT include anything from the 3DS or Vita. Its much closer than that, infact I'd say it will favor DS/PSP/3DS/Vita before years end, and in 2012 I'm sure it will be back in Sony/Nintendo's favor since they are simply starting a new gen

bonesawisready5

Two years ago the PSP fell off the face of the earth in NA/EU and died a slow painful death at retail with a terrible revision (PSP Go) and people were already plotting Nintendo's next move as 2009/2010 the DS starting looking long in the tooth.

2010 especially was a transition year just like this one. I'm saying that if 4 Nintendo games for the 3DS make up that $500 million difference, then adding in all Vita and other games for the 3DS should make it more in favor of 3DS/DS/PSP/Vita

Talk to me when Vita/3DS are in their prime in late 2012, or all of 2013 and we'll see how its going then. I think mobile phones have got a bigger cut, yes. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 65% or 70% in favor of 3DS/Vita after 2013. Will it go back to 80%? Probably not. I'm sure you could make the same argument for FB games and flash gaming killing off PC gaming, but they co-exist

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]At the end of the year the split will closer to 50/50 or 55/45 is what you're saying? Two years ago it was 80/20. If the trend continues mobile WILL have the majority. I don't have an issue with larger devs that have larger budgets making more. I just find it nice that smaller devs have an avenue to reach consumers and have a chance at success. MFDOOM1983

Two years ago the PSP fell off the face of the earth in NA/EU and died a slow painful death at retail with a terrible revision (PSP Go) and people were already plotting Nintendo's next move as 2009/2010 the DS starting looking long in the tooth.

2010 especially was a transition year just like this one. I'm saying that if 4 Nintendo games for the 3DS make up that $500 million difference, then adding in all Vita and other games for the 3DS should make it more in favor of 3DS/DS/PSP/Vita

Talk to me when Vita/3DS are in their prime in late 2012, or all of 2013 and we'll see how its going then. I think mobile phones have got a bigger cut, yes. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 65% or 70% in favor of 3DS/Vita after 2013. Will it go back to 80%? Probably not. I'm sure you could make the same argument for FB games and flash gaming killing off PC gaming, but they co-exist

I know I was just saying that I thnk they will make a strong comeback, and that 2010/2011 are really bad years to have represent them. You wouldn't pick June-August to represent iPhone sales since everyone expects a new model around that time, would you?

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

You're comparing 100,000 games and apps and the revenue they create (some are ad supported too, something handheld games can't do) to like, console libraries of 100-500 titles total?

I'm guessing you're using that old article showing mobile games made more money than DS/PSP from a month ago, right? Its a small gap, like $500 million. Oh and by the way, that doesn't include 3DS software at all, nor does it include the holidays where Nintendo titles sell best, or anything from the Vita Japan launch.

That doesn't include $64 million from Ocarina of Time 3D, nor does it include about $50-$100 million more from other games without even mentioning the $40 million-$50 million Nintendo made in two weeks with Super Mario 3D Land, or the $50-$100 million Mario Kart 7 will likely make before 2011 is over. (and $20-$30 million from Star Fox)

So, like 4 Nintendo titles on the 3DS alone will likely close that gap of Android/iOS making $500 million more than DS/PSP. That study didn't include anything 3DS or Vita, the markets are shifting to a new generation. Of course PSP and DS software sales would be lower. The only reason you have $1.9 billion in revenue on software on smartphones is because there are 30,567 developers releasing cheap games all getting a small piece of the pie.

Whereas you have about 100-500 developers getting even bigger pies altogether on the Vita and 3DS.

And if you're talking about this http://www.neowin.net/news/mobile-phone-gaming-makes-more-money-than-portable-consoles then I will correct you that that study DOES NOT include anything from the 3DS or Vita. Its much closer than that, infact I'd say it will favor DS/PSP/3DS/Vita before years end, and in 2012 I'm sure it will be back in Sony/Nintendo's favor since they are simply starting a new gen

bonesawisready5

Two years ago the PSP fell off the face of the earth in NA/EU and died a slow painful death at retail with a terrible revision (PSP Go) and people were already plotting Nintendo's next move as 2009/2010 the DS starting looking long in the tooth.

2010 especially was a transition year just like this one. I'm saying that if 4 Nintendo games for the 3DS make up that $500 million difference, then adding in all Vita and other games for the 3DS should make it more in favor of 3DS/DS/PSP/Vita

Talk to me when Vita/3DS are in their prime in late 2012, or all of 2013 and we'll see how its going then. I think mobile phones have got a bigger cut, yes. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 65% or 70% in favor of 3DS/Vita after 2013. Will it go back to 80%? Probably not. I'm sure you could make the same argument for FB games and flash gaming killing off PC gaming, but they co-exist

I think it might be hard, phone games are not popular due qulity, but game avability, no body will buy extra device just for games if you got Phone that can do games and you just want to spend time waiting for bus.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]At the end of the year the split will closer to 50/50 or 55/45 is what you're saying? Two years ago it was 80/20. If the trend continues mobile WILL have the majority. I don't have an issue with larger devs that have larger budgets making more. I just find it nice that smaller devs have an avenue to reach consumers and have a chance at success. ShadowriverUB

Two years ago the PSP fell off the face of the earth in NA/EU and died a slow painful death at retail with a terrible revision (PSP Go) and people were already plotting Nintendo's next move as 2009/2010 the DS starting looking long in the tooth.

2010 especially was a transition year just like this one. I'm saying that if 4 Nintendo games for the 3DS make up that $500 million difference, then adding in all Vita and other games for the 3DS should make it more in favor of 3DS/DS/PSP/Vita

Talk to me when Vita/3DS are in their prime in late 2012, or all of 2013 and we'll see how its going then. I think mobile phones have got a bigger cut, yes. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 65% or 70% in favor of 3DS/Vita after 2013. Will it go back to 80%? Probably not. I'm sure you could make the same argument for FB games and flash gaming killing off PC gaming, but they co-exist

I think it might be hard, phone games are not popular due qulity, but game avability, no body will buy extra device just for games if you got Phone that can do games and you just want to spend time waiting for bus.

Nobody waiting on buses will buy games, why? (and people always ignore this) buying iOS/Android games will usually require mommy and daddy's credit cards. No parent is allowing their kid to have that at their fingertips. Buying a $40 game every few months is a much better, controllable option, for parents.

i really think they will both increase the size of each of their markets, and live side by side.

Nobody waiting on buses will buy games, why? (and people always ignore this) buying iOS/Android games will usually require mommy and daddy's credit cards. No parent is allowing their kid to have that at their fingertips. Buying a $40 game every few months is a much better, controllable option, for parents.

i really think they will both increase the size of each of their markets, and live side by side.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Nobody waiting on buses will buy games, why? (and people always ignore this) buying iOS/Android games will usually require mommy and daddy's credit cards. No parent is allowing their kid to have that at their fingertips. Buying a $40 game every few months is a much better, controllable option, for parents.

i really think they will both increase the size of each of their markets, and live side by side.

musicalmac

Um, I said kids. And err, I was talking about people riding buses. Adults riding buses are either broke students, or broke older people who likely won't have the time, or money for a game console on the go, at least for themselves.

Parents will never let their kids tie their bank account to their iPhone/Android phone and run the risk of them charging them at any time. Buying retail handheld games, be it PSP/DS or 3DS/Vita is so much more managable.

I wasn't discussing adults with good paying jobs.

Um, I said kids. And err, I was talking about people riding buses. Adults riding buses are either broke students, or broke older people who likely won't have the time, or money for a game console on the go, at least for themselves.

Parents will never let their kids tie their bank account to their iPhone/Android phone and run the risk of them charging them at any time. Buying retail handheld games, be it PSP/DS or 3DS/Vita is so much more managable.

I wasn't discussing adults with good paying jobs.

Uh, actually, I have no idea how the computer language and hardware in the PS Vita can boot a game in under 1 sec, go to the web browser, go back to the game in under a sec (exactly where you left off). That could be RAM related but, perhaps GPU has something to do with that?

Not having the old optical format certainly helps with quicker read times because there is no spin and read involved (the flash memory formats are directly read from an applied voltage and reader).

I love how quickly it switches between applications, very cool :)

also that screen really is gorgeous, OLED + SD TV resolution = amazing screen for a handheld

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Two years ago the PSP fell off the face of the earth in NA/EU and died a slow painful death at retail with a terrible revision (PSP Go) and people were already plotting Nintendo's next move as 2009/2010 the DS starting looking long in the tooth.

2010 especially was a transition year just like this one. I'm saying that if 4 Nintendo games for the 3DS make up that $500 million difference, then adding in all Vita and other games for the 3DS should make it more in favor of 3DS/DS/PSP/Vita

Talk to me when Vita/3DS are in their prime in late 2012, or all of 2013 and we'll see how its going then. I think mobile phones have got a bigger cut, yes. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 65% or 70% in favor of 3DS/Vita after 2013. Will it go back to 80%? Probably not. I'm sure you could make the same argument for FB games and flash gaming killing off PC gaming, but they co-exist

bonesawisready5

I think it might be hard, phone games are not popular due qulity, but game avability, no body will buy extra device just for games if you got Phone that can do games and you just want to spend time waiting for bus.

Nobody waiting on buses will buy games, why? (and people always ignore this) buying iOS/Android games will usually require mommy and daddy's credit cards. No parent is allowing their kid to have that at their fingertips. Buying a $40 game every few months is a much better, controllable option, for parents.

i really think they will both increase the size of each of their markets, and live side by side.

Apple knows that :) thats why iPhone got paretial control opitions if you didn't know that, i not sure about Android thru. Besides go to you tube and see what mommy and daddy son can do with there iPhone ;p

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Um, I said kids. And err, I was talking about people riding buses. Adults riding buses are either broke students, or broke older people who likely won't have the time, or money for a game console on the go, at least for themselves.

Parents will never let their kids tie their bank account to their iPhone/Android phone and run the risk of them charging them at any time. Buying retail handheld games, be it PSP/DS or 3DS/Vita is so much more managable.

I wasn't discussing adults with good paying jobs.

musicalmac

I understand that, but there is so much less of a probablity that a person who has disposable funds on their credit card on their smartphone that costs them $100 a month will ride a public bus. I'm know I'm blanketing people here, but at least here in South Texas I don't see that a lot. (then again I don't ride buses, so I'm probably completely out of touch with bus go'ers)

I'm just thinking that if a person can commit to $2400 bill over a two year contract, they can find another way than a bus. (Which if you're riding a bus with a smartphone bill, wouldn't getting a feature phone and cutting $30 a month off your bill end up helping with a down payment on car after two years, though that would only be about $600 after two years saved)

But that doesn't change that I was, in my post, referring to children riding buses and the availability of their parents credit cards to purchase games even if I made some assumptions on adults riding buses.

I doubt parents will get their kids smartphones and let them have free run over their credit cards.

Just amazing.....the games on the PSVita looks almost like the PS3 games.Can't wait for this amazing system.AtariKidX

Actually the PS Vita can Remote Play PS3 games, which makes me very interested in owning a PS3. ESPECIALLY since they come with all those gigs of internal memory for me to keep my PS Vita games and content in.

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Just amazing.....the games on the PSVita looks almost like the PS3 games.Can't wait for this amazing system.wakefulness

Actually the PS Vita can Remote Play PS3 games, which makes me very interested in owning a PS3. ESPECIALLY since they come with all those gigs of internal memory for me to keep my PS Vita games and content in.

I had a PSP for a while and enjoyed remote playing PJ Monsters from my PSP back in 2008, why didn't the PSP do more of this I wonder? It is a pretty cool feature.

[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Just amazing.....the games on the PSVita looks almost like the PS3 games.Can't wait for this amazing system.bonesawisready5

Actually the PS Vita can Remote Play PS3 games, which makes me very interested in owning a PS3. ESPECIALLY since they come with all those gigs of internal memory for me to keep my PS Vita games and content in.

I had a PSP for a while and enjoyed remote playing PJ Monsters from my PSP back in 2008, why didn't the PSP do more of this I wonder? It is a pretty cool feature.

Technical specifications. The Wireless chip in the PSP and the CPU, GPU, dedicated media playing chip, and RAM on the PSP could hardly handle streaming large amounts of data to and from the device. There would have to be a lot of coding to do in order to bump the resolution down and get it to wear the normal PS3 controls could translate onto the PSP. Which is unfortunate because the lack of PSP to PS3 connectivity (inferred from lower PSP specs) kinda lost a potential third audience growing amoung the causal mobile gamers and motion gamers.

always wondered. whats a handheld device got to worry about multitasking for. i mean, it's not taking on the smartphone market... is it?Firebird-5

PS Vita should multi-task. It is the one device looking to fuse gaming and the social features into one little machine. The social features that actually tie into games like "Party", "Near", "Trophies" and, "Messaging" will all be an appealing if multi-tasking is enabled and the person is a gamer. For example, someone would want to show their friends trophies and do so on VOIP/text chat and they do not want to be encumbered by a sluggish UI that needs to close multiple windows (in order to run fast enough to share that impulse decision).

That is one example. Overall, multi-tasking is one of the (many) products that comes from high technical specifications and engineering that processing power and memory capacity around an OS and software experience.

always wondered. whats a handheld device got to worry about multitasking for. i mean, it's not taking on the smartphone market... is it?Firebird-5

You can play and tweet in same time :) and thats only one example of many

There's no reason to not buy a PS Vita. The US currency is worth basically nothing right now. $250 is a serious bargain.

DerpyMcDerp

Not everyone lives in the "US"

[QUOTE="DerpyMcDerp"]

There's no reason to not buy a PS Vita. The US currency is worth basically nothing right now. $250 is a serious bargain.

Ubersoldat87

Not everyone lives in the "US"

Isn't it like, $300 plus for WiFi in europe (in the equivalent of USD that is)

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[QUOTE="DerpyMcDerp"]

There's no reason to not buy a PS Vita. The US currency is worth basically nothing right now. $250 is a serious bargain.

bonesawisready5

Not everyone lives in the "US"

Isn't it like, $300 plus for WiFi in europe (in the equivalent of USD that is)

There was no euro prices and keep in mind that not all europe coutries use Euro ;]

[QUOTE="e_stone001"][QUOTE="thatisfalse"] Exactly. Smartphones are getting popular, but as for gaming wise, the Vita dominates it because more hardcore gamers will buy a dedicated device rather than a casual device for ppl that just wanna play Angry Birds.ronvalencia