PS3 and Valve

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Valve Won't Develop On PS3 Again Until They Can Do It Right

Posted by Patrick Klepek - Friday, June 12, 2009 11:37 AM

Hey, at least Valve's honest. The company has never expressed much interest in developing for PlayStation 3 and been pretty clear about their reasons. When Electronic Arts ported The Orange Box, it bummed out Valve because it hasn't supported the platform since then. In Billy's interview with co-founder Gabe Newell, he said Valve won't be returning to the platform until they're confident they can do it right.

"We haven't done a good job of taking care of our PS3 customers at all for the existing Orange Box customers, and that is very frustrating to me personally," admitted Newell. "Until we can do a better job than we have, I'm sort of hesitant to go back and screw them again. So, I want to make sure when we have customers on the PS3 they don't end up in the sort of second ****citizen that I feel that they've been by what we did originally with The Orange Box."

It sounds like Valve could embrace PlayStation 3 eventually, but for the time being, if you want to play their games and want to play them now, you need an Xbox 360 or PC.

What Do you think?

I posted this a couple of days ago ;)

valve games feel like they belong on PC anyway...

Pff I don't really care, they're games are hugely overrated anyways.

urdead18

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Pff I don't really care, they're games are hugely overrated anyways.

MasterC5

We don't need another 20 page thread where ignorant fanboys label Valve as "Lazy" or "bad"pyromaniac223

valve is lazy to develop games for sony

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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Pff I don't really care, they're games are hugely overrated anyways.

urdead18

i'm not calling you a fanboy. I just can't believe that you would like killzone 2 and hate valve games, when valve makes far better FPS games IMO.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]I can't get over the fact that a guy with a killzone 2 sig is saying this.

MasterC5

i'm not calling you a fanboy. I just can't believe that you would like killzone 2 and hate valve games, when valve makes far better FPS games IMO.

We don't need another 20 page thread where ignorant fanboys label Valve as "Lazy" or "bad"pyromaniac223

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] How about the fact that I have a PC and play it as often as my PS3?urdead18

i'm not calling you a fanboy. I just can't believe that you would like killzone 2 and hate valve games, when valve makes far better FPS games IMO.

I'm sorry that you have poor taste.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]

i'm not calling you a fanboy. I just can't believe that you would like killzone 2 and hate valve games, when valve makes far better FPS games IMO.

swazidoughman

I'm sorry that you have poor taste.

People forget quite a few developers are forced cross platform because of increasing content development costs, they deal with the PS3 because they have no choice, wherever there is a sufficient audience they have to target it.

In case people haven't noticed Valve isn't a company that pushes hardware, they design their games to look good while having accessible hardware requirements for people on lower end hardware on PC.

Lower content costs mean they can be more picky about what they develop on, PS3 is a luxury that they can potentially get more money from; not a requirement to break even and make a decent return.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]We don't need another 20 page thread where ignorant fanboys label Valve as "Lazy" or "bad"fluxorator

Pff I don't really care, they're games are hugely overrated anyways.

urdead18

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]We don't need another 20 page thread where ignorant fanboys label Valve as "Lazy" or "bad"pyromaniac223

Common belief is that the ps3 is harder to develop for....:?

The reason I find this comment made by them werid is cause before they said they hated the PS3 and thats why they didint do jack for it. I would love L4D for my PS3,but I know it will never happen.

What Do you think?

DarknessLion

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Valve Won't Develop On PS3 Again Until They Can Do It Right

Posted by Patrick Klepek - Friday, June 12, 2009 11:37 AM

Hey, at least Valve's honest. The company has never expressed much interest in developing for PlayStation 3 and been pretty clear about their reasons. When Electronic Arts ported The Orange Box, it bummed out Valve because it hasn't supported the platform since then. In Billy's interview with co-founder Gabe Newell, he said Valve won't be returning to the platform until they're confident they can do it right.

"We haven't done a good job of taking care of our PS3 customers at all for the existing Orange Box customers, and that is very frustrating to me personally," admitted Newell. "Until we can do a better job than we have, I'm sort of hesitant to go back and screw them again. So, I want to make sure when we have customers on the PS3 they don't end up in the sort of second ****citizen that I feel that they've been by what we did originally with The Orange Box."

It sounds like Valve could embrace PlayStation 3 eventually, but for the time being, if you want to play their games and want to play them now, you need an Xbox 360 or PC.

What Do you think?

DarknessLion

I thinks i'll believe them when my **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet. seriously though..they cant ignore the PSTriple forever.

Uzburacuz9

Why not? There is nothing forcing Valve to work on platforms they don't to. That said they didn't say they were ignoring it forever.

They stated the tools aren't developed enough for them to consider the PS3, it's still significantly more difficult to develop on than traditional architecture. Don't get your knickers in a twist just because they said they have no interest in supporting it in the short term.

I swear, PS3 people think developers are obligated to suffer because of Sony's poor architecture decisions.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]I can't get over the fact that a guy with a killzone 2 sig is saying this.

MasterC5

i'm not calling you a fanboy. I just can't believe that you would like killzone 2 and hate valve games, when valve makes far better FPS games IMO.

Pff I don't really care, they're games are hugely overrated anyways.

urdead18

:lol: what? Says you?

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]We don't need another 20 page thread where ignorant fanboys label Valve as "Lazy" or "bad"shadowfox55

valve is lazy to develop games for sony

like i said in previous thread, valve hasnt taken care of 360 customers either, still waiting for bug fixes in Team Fortress 2 on 360. Valve is very lazy

This is no different from japanese developers refusing to make games for the 360. It's just that when they do it it's a good thing. :|

Like anybody else, programmers have preferences and if they can afford it, they will choose to work on a specific platform and have less headaches to deal with.

why does valve have such difficulty with the ps3? i dont get it. oh well i hate there games anyway_Verm

When industry leading programmers like John Carmack says the PS3 is twice as hard to develop for; how does that make PS3 users calling none PS3 devs lazy look?

Cows like to blame everyone and everything but the platform itself, it's quite petty when you think about it. Developers have no obligation to support Sony's poor architectural decisions, especially when they are not hurting money wise.

[QUOTE="_Verm"]why does valve have such difficulty with the ps3? i dont get it. oh well i hate there games anywayPandajerk29

I personally don't care.

I also don't get people that defend Valve to the moon and blame it on the PS3's "poor architectural decisions." Judging by the high quality of releases for the PS3 in the past year, I'd say other developers don't seem to be having such a tough time "getting it."

At least he's honest. I would play their games on PC anyway, just feels right.

I personally don't care.

I also don't get people that defend Valve to the moon and blame it on the PS3's "poor architectural decisions." Judging by the high quality of releases for the PS3 in the past year, I'd say other developers don't seem to be having such a tough time "getting it."

KratosTwin

What is there not to get? They grit their teeth and sweat bullets to make it work because they have no choice in the matter. I honestly think some people willfully ignore any developer criticism of the PS3 architecture and have selective memory on only the good comments.

The Orange Box sold horribly on the PS3. why would Valve want to bring their games to a platform where they won't sell well?Zero5000X

Buggy and broken products sell badly.. news at 11

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I personally don't care.

I also don't get people that defend Valve to the moon and blame it on the PS3's "poor architectural decisions." Judging by the high quality of releases for the PS3 in the past year, I'd say other developers don't seem to be having such a tough time "getting it."

AnnoyedDragon

What is there not to get? They grit their teeth and sweat bullets to make it work because they have no choice in the matter. I honestly think some people willfully ignore any developer criticism of the PS3 architecture and have selective memory on only the good comments.

Maybe you didn't fully understand what I said.

Valve has trouble developing for the PS3. Fair enough.

Other developers have shown in the past couple of years that they apparently don't have much trouble developing on the PS3's so called "poor architecture."

What's so confusing about that?

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

I personally don't care.

I also don't get people that defend Valve to the moon and blame it on the PS3's "poor architectural decisions." Judging by the high quality of releases for the PS3 in the past year, I'd say other developers don't seem to be having such a tough time "getting it."

KratosTwin

What is there not to get? They grit their teeth and sweat bullets to make it work because they have no choice in the matter. I honestly think some people willfully ignore any developer criticism of the PS3 architecture and have selective memory on only the good comments.

Maybe you didn't fully understand what I said.

Valve has trouble developing for the PS3. Fair enough.

Other developers have shown in the past couple of years that they apparently don't have much trouble developing on the PS3's so called "poor architecture."

What's so confusing about that?

Who are these others developers? Most, if not all of the high quality titles on PS3 are sony developed.....

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

What is there not to get? They grit their teeth and sweat bullets to make it work because they have no choice in the matter. I honestly think some people willfully ignore any developer criticism of the PS3 architecture and have selective memory on only the good comments.

Espada12

Maybe you didn't fully understand what I said.

Valve has trouble developing for the PS3. Fair enough.

Other developers have shown in the past couple of years that they apparently don't have much trouble developing on the PS3's so called "poor architecture."

What's so confusing about that?

Who are these others developers? Most, if not all of the high quality titles on PS3 are sony developed.....

Contrary to popular belief, the PS3 also has many quality multi-plats. So obviously other developers are capable of making good games on it. As far as other exclusives go, I'd say Kojima did pretty well with MGS4 on the PS3 wouldn't you?

Maybe you didn't fully understand what I said.

Valve has trouble developing for the PS3. Fair enough.

Other developers have shown in the past couple of years that they apparently don't have much trouble developing on the PS3's so called "poor architecture."

What's so confusing about that?

KratosTwin

Well in case you have not been paying attention the last couple of years SW have gone through numerous news stories on the troubles developers have had on the PS3. I remember one developer begging others to use the PS3 as the lead platform, because the architecture differences made it so hard to port to. We've had the top developers in the industry say the PS3 is a nightmare to develop for, the only ones ironically not complaining are 1st party and paid 3rd party PS3 exclusives; which just 'might' have something to do with Sony cutting developer marketing support if they say/do anything Sony doesn't like.

Sony actually tried to convince people that PS3 was easier to program for in 2005, bought a few developer opinions. But in the real world developers don't have the unlimited time and budgets to fully utilize the PS3, those that get financial support from Sony can; but you would hardly use that as a counter argument.

If nothing else convinced you how about the fact that Sony said they made the PS3 hard to develop for on purpose?

Contrary to popular belief, the PS3 also has many quality multi-plats. So obviously other developers are capable of making good games on it. As far as other exclusives go, I'd say Kojima did pretty well with MGS4 on the PS3 wouldn't you?

KratosTwin

Popular belief is correct, the vast majority of multiplats have been lower quality on PS3, SW has tested that many times. Plus I wouldn't use MGS4 as an example, that game was in development forever and still had performance problems on release.

We dont want Valve, its ok :)

I just don't see why some ppl want to get Valve games on consoles anyways considering all the drawbacks of doing so.

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

Maybe you didn't fully understand what I said.

Valve has trouble developing for the PS3. Fair enough.

Other developers have shown in the past couple of years that they apparently don't have much trouble developing on the PS3's so called "poor architecture."

What's so confusing about that?

AnnoyedDragon

Well in case you have not been paying attention the last couple of years SW have gone through numerous news stories on the troubles developers have had on the PS3. I remember one developer begging others to use the PS3 as the lead platform, because the architecture differences made it so hard to port to. We've had the top developers in the industry say the PS3 is a nightmare to develop for, the only ones ironically not complaining are 1st party and paid 3rd party PS3 exclusives; which just 'might' have something to do with Sony cutting developer marketing support if they say/do anything Sony doesn't like.

Sony actually tried to convince people that PS3 was easier to program for in 2005, bought a few developer opinions. But in the real world developers don't have the unlimited time and budgets to fully utilize the PS3, those that get financial support from Sony can; but you would hardly use that as a counter argument.

If nothing else convinced you how about the fact that Sony said they made the PS3 hard to develop for on purpose?

Contrary to popular belief, the PS3 also has many quality multi-plats. So obviously other developers are capable of making good games on it. As far as other exclusives go, I'd say Kojima did pretty well with MGS4 on the PS3 wouldn't you?

KratosTwin

Popular belief is correct, the vast majority of multiplats have been lower quality on PS3, SW has tested that many times. Plus I wouldn't use MGS4 as an example, that game was in development forever and still had performance problems on release.

Point is the PS3 already has a high quality library with plenty of AAA and AA games and more to come. The way you make it sound, nobody is making games for the PS3 because it is such a nightmare to develop games on it. All I'm saying is that judging by the high quality games we've been getting, it's not such a huge issue anymore even though it may have been in the past as you cited in your post.

Valve is great and all but PS3 will survive without and vice versa.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

Maybe you didn't fully understand what I said.

Valve has trouble developing for the PS3. Fair enough.

Other developers have shown in the past couple of years that they apparently don't have much trouble developing on the PS3's so called "poor architecture."

What's so confusing about that?

KratosTwin

Who are these others developers? Most, if not all of the high quality titles on PS3 are sony developed.....

Contrary to popular belief, the PS3 also has many quality multi-plats. So obviously other developers are capable of making good games on it. As far as other exclusives go, I'd say Kojima did pretty well with MGS4 on the PS3 wouldn't you?

MGS4 is only one game where a third party dev made a quality exclusive title for PS3, I don't know of any others and most multiplats are generally worse on PS3.

Point is the PS3 already has a high quality library with plenty of AAA and AA games and more to come. The way you make it sound, nobody is making games for the PS3 because it is such a nightmare to develop games on it. All I'm saying is that judging by the high quality games we've been getting, it's not such a huge issue anymore even though it may have been in the past as you cited in your post.

Valve is great and all but PS3 will survive without and vice versa.

KratosTwin

I didn't say nobody is making games for the PS3, I said they grit their teeth and make it work because they have no choice in the matter. If Sony pulled this last generation they probably wouldn't have gotten away with it, but this generation has content costs at a point were developers have to chase after any worthwhile audiences they can get. Valve is a smaller company with lower content development costs because they don't chase the hardware bar, so they can afford to ignore the PS3.

All I'm saying to you is games on the PS3 is not evidence the platform isn't hard to develop for, we have had enough developer feedback to know the situation with the PS3. Most console exclusives these days are paid for, so it is difficult to use them as evidence that there isn't a problem.