PS3 and Valve

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

Point is the PS3 already has a high quality library with plenty of AAA and AA games and more to come. The way you make it sound, nobody is making games for the PS3 because it is such a nightmare to develop games on it. All I'm saying is that judging by the high quality games we've been getting, it's not such a huge issue anymore even though it may have been in the past as you cited in your post.

Valve is great and all but PS3 will survive without and vice versa.

AnnoyedDragon

I didn't say nobody is making games for the PS3, I said they grit their teeth and make it work because they have no choice in the matter. If Sony pulled this last generation they probably wouldn't have gotten away with it, but this generation has content costs at a point were developers have to chase after any worthwhile audiences they can get. Valve is a smaller company with lower content development costs because they don't chase the hardware bar, so they can afford to ignore the PS3.

All I'm saying to you is games on the PS3 is not evidence the platform isn't hard to develop for, we have had enough developer feedback to know the situation with the PS3. Most console exclusives these days are paid for, so it is difficult to use them as evidence that there isn't a problem.

Ok, I see your point.

Ultimately this has absolutely no effect on me as a gamer on the PS3. Plenty of quality games to choose from and the future looks even brighter.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Pff I don't really care, they're games are hugely overrated anyways.

emorainbo

the 360 version of any valve game sucks compared to the pc version, the solution is get it on PC.

valve + consoles = fail

Lazy devs

I just don't see why some ppl want to get Valve games on consoles anyways considering all the drawbacks of doing so.

Dystopian-X

We dont want Valve, its ok :)

Generalmojo

i dont think valve wants bankrupcy lol ,

it's not that companies like valve CAN'T make good games on the ps3, it's that they don't CARE to. the install base is too small, and they have more loyal customers elsewhere.

it's not that companies like valve CAN'T make good games on the ps3, it's that they don't CARE to. the install base is too small, and they have more loyal customers elsewhere.

fadersdream

It's their choice. I don't see why they can't just outsource porting Left4Dead to the PS3 or something similar though. Rob-Belmont

Whatever Valve. Don't try and hide your lazyness.

Whatever Valve. Don't try and hide your lazyness.

smithster118

We dont want Valve, its ok :)

Generalmojo

so you dont want some good games on your system? :roll: fanboys always amaze me

Whatever Valve. Don't try and hide your lazyness.

smithster118

It's amazing how many people have made this same ignorant comment.

Just once I'd like to see someone blame Sony; the ones who chose that ridiculous CPU in the first place.

[QUOTE="smithster118"]

Whatever Valve. Don't try and hide your lazyness.

AnnoyedDragon

It's amazing how many people have made this same ignorant comment.

Just once I'd like to see someone blame Sony; the ones who chose that ridiculous CPU in the first place.

[QUOTE="smithster118"]

Whatever Valve. Don't try and hide your lazyness.

AnnoyedDragon

It's amazing how many people have made this same ignorant comment.

Just once I'd like to see someone blame Sony; the ones who chose that ridiculous CPU in the first place.

if other devs have no problems....why valve? even when valve games dont even look that good

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="smithster118"]

Whatever Valve. Don't try and hide your lazyness.

pyromaniac223

It's amazing how many people have made this same ignorant comment.

Just once I'd like to see someone blame Sony; the ones who chose that ridiculous CPU in the first place.

There may be 7 million more XBox 360 owners World Wide than PS3 owners. Does this make the PS3 fanbase "tiny"? Hardly.

if other devs have no problems....why valve? even when valve games dont even look that good

sikanderahmed

What do you mean no problems? We have had numerous developers criticise the PS3 for it's development difficulty.

If you think there are no problems then you need to keep track of gaming news more often.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

It's amazing how many people have made this same ignorant comment.

Just once I'd like to see someone blame Sony; the ones who chose that ridiculous CPU in the first place.

KratosTwin

There may be 7 million more XBox 360 owners World Wide than PS3 owners. Does this make the PS3 fanbase "tiny"? Hardly.

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] For once, I would just like people to stop and actually think about what they say before condemning a small third party developer for not wanting spend a lot of funds to develop on a system with a tiny fanbase for their games. pyromaniac223

There may be 7 million more XBox 360 owners World Wide than PS3 owners. Does this make the PS3 fanbase "tiny"? Hardly.

Using the Orange Box as the only example hardly qualifies the PS3 as having a "tiny" user base. Ignoring 23 million or 24 million whatever the number of PS3 gamers is, is nothing to scoff at. Again, hardly a "tiny" userbase.

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

if other devs have no problems....why valve? even when valve games dont even look that good

AnnoyedDragon

What do you mean no problems? We have had numerous developers criticise the PS3 for it's development difficulty.

If you think there are no problems then you need to keep track of gaming news more often.

yes they criticise but they dont quit like babies coz they are good devs and still release the game, valve on the other hand cant take challenge.

Valve is not the only company that won't develop games for the PS3. What about others like Tri-Ace & Star Ocean 4?

Plus it's very ironic that Sony made the PS3 incredibly difficult for developers to develop their games for it, yet they made it incredibly easy for them to port the games onto other platforms. If those two things were switched the other way around, Sony would've been in a whole other league than they are right now.

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] For once, I would just like people to stop and actually think about what they say before condemning a small third party developer for not wanting spend a lot of funds to develop on a system with a tiny fanbase for their games. pyromaniac223

There may be 7 million more XBox 360 owners World Wide than PS3 owners. Does this make the PS3 fanbase "tiny"? Hardly.

I don't see many other developers struggling. Also, the only reason that Orange box sold so few is because many reviews stated that the 360/PC version was far superior. Also, the PS3 fan base has probably quadrupled since 2007 and i'm sure if they actually made an effort and created a IP that was on all 3 platforms, they would sell at least a million on the PS3.

yes they criticise but they dont quit like babies coz they are good devs and still release the game, valve on the other hand cant take challenge.

sikanderahmed

Can't take a challenge? These are game developers, companies. Regardless of the reasons and PR put forward at the end of the day they are in it for the money. The PS3 is likely the most expensive platform to develop for, not because it is better but because of its stupid architectural decisions.

What fantasy world do you live in if you think a small company with limited finances is going to dive head first into the architectural complexity monster of this generation?

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

We dont want Valve, its ok :)

pyromaniac223

I read another interview ( to a brazillian site , the most credible around here) where he states that one of the major problems in their current engine(which is pretty old btw) is working with multi core processors , as the cell.I think that the release of quad core processors for PC's made him realise that it's becoming a trend , and that's why he stopped bashing the ps3 .

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

We dont want Valve, its ok :)

Animal-Mother

valve games feel like they belong on PC anyway...

zarshack

I think it is funny how many devs believe the PS3 is hard to program for. Guerilla Games did an amazing presentation on using the SPEs for video games.

People are under this misconception that the SPEs are some how limited in what they can do, bur Guerilla just treated them like any other processor (abet without instruction cache) and did general purpose optimizations on them. Valve and other devs approach the PS3 as if it is some mystical, magic box that they could not possibly use the old paradigms with but it is not. The SPEs are turing complete processors that just happen to be highly vector optimized. It is _just_ like porting your engine from Intel x86 to IBM PPC which they did for the 360.

Time will tell, but i do not think Valve intends to put forth the effort to 'redeem' their selves to their PS3 based community.

I think this is simply PR.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

if other devs have no problems....why valve? even when valve games dont even look that good

sikanderahmed

What do you mean no problems? We have had numerous developers criticise the PS3 for it's development difficulty.

If you think there are no problems then you need to keep track of gaming news more often.

yes they criticise but they dont quit like babies coz they are good devs and still release the game, valve on the other hand cant take challenge.

They're not mountaineers or athletes, they're a business!

The talent that valve has shown in the past, I would guess are more than up to the task of learning the PS3s hardware and getting the most out of it. However, given the time it takes to learn new hardware, the time out of other projects this would require, then the actual porting of the game after the retraining of existing staff (or the hiring of new staff), it may end up costing Valve a lot of money to do a simple port.

The returns from doing the port may not actually cover the actual cost. It's a risk. It's not so much of a risk to companies that have already developed for the ps3.

Is this really that hard to understand?

1) sony should pay developers to work on their system, instead of expecting it for free.

2) 360 is closer to the pc fanbase so it makes more sense to develop for it. when the ps3 earns valves respect then they will give them something, but probably not until they have earned it.

Please, saying Valve is lazy? You could say that Bethesda is lazy because they didn't port Fallout 3 to Wii, and can be said for pretty much all multiplats that don't go on Wii.

It costs to put in those extra hours to change the games internal design around, and putting it on the worst sold console? Meh, Sony's own fault for making it so hard for developers, that is why they get all the worst looking multiplats too.

Valve is a business, they have to weigh, is it the work needed to put it on PS3 worth the money taken in from PS3 sales? Obviously it wasn't.